Aluminum and clear containers

[Guest guest]

Kathleen & Jennifer,

 

You might be interested to read the following by Dr. Rob Pappas of Essential Oil

University. It's everything you ever wanted to know about containers for eo's:

http://www.essentialoiluniversity.com/colorless_bottles.htm

 

I've had the opportunity to meet w/Dr. Rob & tour his facility. He's a

qualified chemist, has been creating FO's for years & his EO's are top notch.

 

Bright Blessings,

 

Tammy Tivis

http://www.ElementsBathandBody.com

 

-

Kathleen Petrides

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:42 PM

RE: Aluminum and clear containers

 

Aluminium is usually a very safe choice.

 

As to clear containers. There are two schools of thought. One school is

that it's complete and utter crap and the other is of course that It's not.

<snip>

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The PurrfinickyQueen

http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the Hairball!

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Tammy

 

Yes, I know about Rob Pappas and his stance on Clear Bottles. Now those who

are cynical ask: Does he say this because he sells in clear bottles and

they're cheaper to buy in? Or Does he really believe the position he has

taken.

 

Another thing to ponder, as far as I'm aware, he's the only one who has

taken this particular stance, at least the only one who has had the

education. Others who are just as knowledgable take the opposite position.

 

Me. My position is: as long as there is only One person promoting clear

glass, and this same person has a vested interest in taking this position,

then I'm going to stick with the tried and true.

 

In other words, for me, one persons point of view is not enough to sway me.

I'd like to see some independant research on the subject.

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The PurrfinickyQueen

http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the Hairball!

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Tammy Tivis <elements1

>

> 10/26/2004 5:53:45 PM

> Aluminum and clear containers

>

>

> Kathleen & Jennifer,

>

> You might be interested to read the following by Dr. Rob Pappas of

Essential Oil University. It's everything you ever wanted to know about

containers for eo's:

http://www.essentialoiluniversity.com/colorless_bottles.htm

>

> I've had the opportunity to meet w/Dr. Rob & tour his facility. He's a

qualified chemist, has been creating FO's for years & his EO's are top

notch.

>

> Bright Blessings,

>

> Tammy Tivis

> http://www.ElementsBathandBody.com

>

> -

> Kathleen Petrides

>

> Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:42 PM

> RE: Aluminum and clear containers

>

> Aluminium is usually a very safe choice.

>

> As to clear containers. There are two schools of thought. One school is

> that it's complete and utter crap and the other is of course that It's

not.

> <snip>

>

> Cheers!

> Kathleen Petrides

> The PurrfinickyQueen

> http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

> Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the

Hairball!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

 

I understand your viewpoint, but Dr. Rob only sells the 1 oz oils in clear

glass. His 4 & 16 oz oils are shipped in aluminum.

 

The difference in clear glass (flint) & amber is pennies, though (especially

when you're buying in bulk, as I'm sure he does). So, I wouldn't think that

he's trying to shave $$$ by offering the 1 oz oil in the clear bottle. Also, he

doesn't use boston rounds, but instead uses a very attractive, 1 oz frosted

square bottle. Boston round is one of the least expensive, most common &

readily available styles I've found. I would guess that his bottles are

actually more expensive than buying the amber or flint boston rounds, but I

haven't price shopped that style.

 

Maybe my position is bias because I have met w/Dr. Pappas & found him to be an

informative, helpful, ethical supplier. I would think he has a vested interest

in maintaining the quality of the oils after he's sold them to his customers.

If he's using an inferior bottle & compromising the quality of the oil,

customers won't be back for more. Anyway, I just wanted to share the info on

his site & vouch for being a happy customer.

 

Bright Blessings,

 

Tammy

http://www.ElementsBathandBody.com

 

-

Kathleen Petrides

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:44 PM

RE: Aluminum and clear containers

 

 

Tammy

 

Yes, I know about Rob Pappas and his stance on Clear Bottles. Now those who

are cynical ask: Does he say this because he sells in clear bottles and

they're cheaper to buy in? Or Does he really believe the position he has

taken.

<snip>

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The PurrfinickyQueen

http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the Hairball!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> What do you all think about aluminum containers to hold carrier

oils?

> And I also read on a cutting edge site about clear containers for

> essential oils so that you can experience the full spectrum of

color,

> not just the sent.

> Any thoughts?

> Jennifer

 

Hi Jennifer,

 

The spun aluminum containers sold to hold oils are a fine choice for

your carriers

 

Now, onto the clear glass bottles for EO's issue ... I am going to post

an archived message from Butch .. I totally agree with him on this one,

and I couldn't say it any better myself

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

 

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

butch owen [butchbsi]

Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:33 AM

 

Clear vs Colored Glass for Essential Oils

 

Hi y'all,

 

Reference the discussion on this subject a few days ago. I have a few

opinions on this .. and danged near most things .. even if I might be

wrong from time to time. ;-p Clear Glass Sucks .. I think!

 

Saying that clear glass is as safe as colored glass is but an opinion or

a position or a claim of one who sells in clear bottles. This subject

came up on the Idma list years ago .. I kept most of the replies but I

am not going to repeat them here. NOBODY agreed with this position ..

to include some active research scientists (also PhD's if that means

anything to anyone reading this .. it doesn't to me) and to others who

were highly qualified outside the area of aroma chemistry.

 

It was August 1999. At that time, there was much scientific hoo-doo and

counter hoo-doo .. and it was one of the most heated of the many heated

exchanges we've had on Idma. The heavy weights got involved and it was

almost like a Star Wars battle. Only difference was there was a lot

more name calling than we find in the Star Wars movie.

 

If its fear mongering and propaganda that caused manufacturers of many

products containing chemicals .. for the last 250 + years .. to use only

colored glass .. then we have a world full of mega-buck and scientific

organizations who are susceptable to the power of glass makers .. and if

you believe that, I have a bridge in Istanbul up for sale now.

 

In fact, there are many studies showing the negative effects of light

and temperature on essential oils .. and I'm not buying that ANYTHING is

not susceptible to the effects of light .. including rocks.

 

I know that those in the know don't buy the arguement presented but I

have to admit that propaganda does influence many people. We see it with

those who choose to follow Young Living .. and those who are willing to

believe that colored glass is safe for essential oils. Could just be

that someone got a real good buy on clear glass .. huh?

 

According to my readings (and I read a lot for a dumb ol' kuntry boy),

its been like 250 years or so since patented or commercial medications

came on the scene .. but glass has been produced since around 3,500 BC

to protect what they used as healing remedies .. and the preferred

colors were dark VIOLET/PURPLE and GOLD .. leastways that's the way its

stated in some history texts.

 

So .. if those folks were blowing smoke at each other .. it means we've

continued that smoke blowing for more than 250 years .. well over 5,500

years it is and I ain't ready to buy that folks were all that stupid for

all that long. Good chance it is they didn't know why their potions

needed protection .. but they knew they did.

 

I believe that the protective ability against photochemical processes of

glass ranges as does the colors of the Spectrum .. starting and ending

in that order. Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo and Violet.

 

My position is that UV rays are potent and stopped by very few things,

including clothing and clouds. The worst sunburns can occur on cloudy

days when UV rays reflect off of the clouds and sunbathers get a double

dose. Another issue is electro-magnetic radiation or pulse (commonly

called and in military terms, EMP .. electromagnetic radiation in many

areas of the spectrum will cause molecules to ionize and that results in

fragmentation .. a breakdown it is so a good thing it ain't. This will

occur faster if the oil is colored to begin with .. the color itself is

an indication that there are molecular electronic transitions taking

place in the visible range of our eyes.

 

I use Miron Violet Glass cause its PROVEN via some fairly sophisticated

research that Violet is the most protective color in the Spectrum. For

a time, I had the research on my site under " About AVNP " .. the URL is

now " Die Seite wurde nicht gefunden. " So I went looking again and found

some new URLs .. here http://www.luminanti.com/mironvioletglass.html

OR http://www.flowervr.com/VioletGlass/violetglass.htm

 

Miron Violet is expensive .. to see the price .. click ORDER on the

first URL above. Howsomever .. this ol' kuntry boy ordered his in 1999

by the Pallet Load .. a Pallet Load of each size .. and though it was a

MAJOR START UP INVESTMENT I got'em for a good bit less. ;-p

 

Miron Violet is a old Swiss patent .. produced in Germany. You wanna

see what they look like .. go here http://www.AV-AT.com/about.html

 

They look almost black. On 11 August 1999 we had the Full Sun Eclipse

right over Ankara .. enterprising folks were selling smoked glass and

whatever on every street corner the day before. My employees and I

stood on my office balcony and watched it for the entire period .. using

100 ml Miron Violet Glass .. it was a wonderful sight fer'shur. Here it

tells a bit about those rare events .. http://www.eclipse99.nasa.gov/

 

Twas a big deal here .. Parlimentarians took a break and filed into the

Grand National Assembly gardens (we didn't notice they weren't working).

Shops closed and many people said their marriage vows again or for the

first time during the eclipse, to include a number of foreign elipse

chasers ... traffic stopped (unbelievable for Turkey) ... and a three

year old child being held on the railing of a third story balcony was

dropped and fell. The child landed in a big pile of sand and had no

injuries. :-)

 

During that period, millions of dollars were committed to scientific

study of the habits of certain critters, birds, turtles, etc., and their

reaction to the short period of daytime darkness - not sure what they

were looking for, but I reckon they found it. I know it definitely had

an impact on two-legged critters. It created a regular festival-like

atmosphere here in Turkey. That night the bars were full of Eclipse

partiers - ol' Butch being one uv'em. ;-) Nice little article on the

bird watching http://birding.about.com/library/weekly/aa080899.htm

 

Interesting it is .. and perhaps coincidental .. but six days later, at

0305 in the morning on 17 August 1999 .. we had the largest earthquake

we've had in memory here in Turkey .. I spent the next seven days in

Golcuk (the epicenter) digging out bodies .. few were alive. Turkey had

more than 22,000 deaths in that quake. :-(

 

Back to glass y'all .. since Miron Violet costs a heckuva lot more than

the other colors I'd have to be some kinda ignert idjit to use them if I

didn't believe they were worth it. An ol' kuntry boy I is but an ignert

idjit I reckon I ain't. ;-p

 

If I am wrong and clear glass is fine for essential oils .. I have no

more to say on this .. but I'm not gonna swallow it based on the opinion

of anyone .. an academic degree will not be enough to convince me .. I

need some verifiable facts. If I am right then those end-users who buy

in clear glass might be buying more oils .. more often .. from some of

the good folks on this list .. might even be from me. ;-9

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

<http://www.av-at.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Tammy Tivis " <elements1@b...>

wrote:

> Kathleen & Jennifer,

>

> You might be interested to read the following by Dr. Rob Pappas of

Essential Oil University. It's everything you ever wanted to know

about containers for eo's:

http://www.essentialoiluniversity.com/colorless_bottles.htm <<

 

This was the site I got my info from also! That is the whole reason

why I have broached the subject. His reasoning is good and

believable. I always heard about EO's needing to be in cobalt, green

or amber bottles also. But I always thought the color didn't matter

as long as it was colored. I thought that different companies chose

different colors as a marketing scheme. I was about to order some of

his products and wanted to hear some feed back.

 

Another thing, doesn't the EO's etch away at the aluminum? Is there a

lining in his aluminum containers? Some essential oils are stronger

than others and can very easily absorb some of whatever the component

are in aluminum....possibly poluting the oil? Does that make sense?

That is my biggest worry. Glass seems safer. But I am no chemist so I

don't know.

 

>> I've had the opportunity to meet w/Dr. Rob & tour his facility.

He's a qualified chemist, has been creating FO's for years & his EO's

are top notch.<<

 

Could you tell me more about meeting him and his facilities? I am

very excited to hear a first hand experience.

 

One more thing, I keep my EO's in the fridgerator because I had read

they would keep fresh and potent longer.... Is this correct thinking?

 

Thanks

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

>

> Kathleen Petrides [PurrfinickyQueen]

> <snipped> there are those who say that their clear glass repells the

Uv

> light <snipped>

 

Plain clear glass does absorb and filter a respectable amount of UV rays

(esp. the UV-B part) but not all, and it doesn't necessarily do so well

with absorbing and filtering UV-A rays. Different types of glass tend to

let through varying amounts of the lower energy UV-A light (as it is

right on the edge of the visible spectrum). This is why " replacement "

windows are now being made with special coatings (i.e. Low-E) and these

treated windows are so popular in homes and offices now. It is also an

example of why eye glass lenses are coated with special UV filtering

agents rather than being made from just plain clear untreated glass.

 

Ever seen a box that was sitting in a store window that was faded, or

curtains that were faded on the backside? That is a visible the effect

of UV rays that get through plain ol' clear glass ...

 

It is a common practice in the pharmaceutical industry and in

laboratories to use amber colored glass when dealing with UV sensitive

materials and preparations.

 

I like the simplicity of one lab glass supplier: " Clear Boston Rounds

let you visually observe your sample while Amber Boston Rounds help

filter UV light which may be damaging to your sample. "

 

And here is another quote from a company in the drug development

industry " AMBER GLASS FOR ULTRAVIOLET-SENSITIVE PREPARATIONS - For those

preparations sensitive to ultraviolet light it is advisable to use amber

glass. Through the addition of colouring oxides the glass can be given

the ability to protect the contents whilst maintaining its

transparency. "

 

So, to me using certain shades of colored glass (amber and violet

specifically) to protect my oils as much as possible from potentially

damaging UV rays is worth it, even though I can't appreciate the pretty

colors of the EO's while they are in storage

 

Now, I'm not EVEN getting into the Rob P. fans vs. his critics end of it

*lol* What is that old saying - opinions are like other things that

everyone has? Yes, that includes me and you and you and you and I'm just

not making any supplier reviews now <grinz> Its already way past my

bed time!

 

Nite all! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As long as they are lined, I think they are great

Ann - Scotland

 

What do you all think about aluminum containers to hold carrier oils?

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I also know Dr. Pappas and have bought from him. He has one thing that

others don't . A GC reading on all oils he sells, for he does that for

many companies who sell oils. However, I do not like his clear bottles,

they break easily..

C-M

[Guest guest]

One more thing, I keep my EO's in the fridgerator because I had read

they would keep fresh and potent longer.... Is this correct thinking?

 

Personally, this makes me shudder! I think of the big white box in the kitchen

humming away to an electric tune of its own, emitting all kinds of chemicals

(CFCs??) and electro-magnetic fields .... and then I think of my precious,

precious oils. I think of them with their own vibrations, colours, characters,

etc.

The two things don't belong together ... in my opinion.

Jane

-

darlingdeadlyboy

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:50 AM

Re: Aluminum and clear containers

 

 

 

, " Tammy Tivis " <elements1@b...>

wrote:

> Kathleen & Jennifer,

>

> You might be interested to read the following by Dr. Rob Pappas of

Essential Oil University. It's everything you ever wanted to know

about containers for eo's:

http://www.essentialoiluniversity.com/colorless_bottles.htm <<

 

This was the site I got my info from also! That is the whole reason

why I have broached the subject. His reasoning is good and

believable. I always heard about EO's needing to be in cobalt, green

or amber bottles also. But I always thought the color didn't matter

as long as it was colored. I thought that different companies chose

different colors as a marketing scheme. I was about to order some of

his products and wanted to hear some feed back.

 

Another thing, doesn't the EO's etch away at the aluminum? Is there a

lining in his aluminum containers? Some essential oils are stronger

than others and can very easily absorb some of whatever the component

are in aluminum....possibly poluting the oil? Does that make sense?

That is my biggest worry. Glass seems safer. But I am no chemist so I

don't know.

 

>> I've had the opportunity to meet w/Dr. Rob & tour his facility.

He's a qualified chemist, has been creating FO's for years & his EO's

are top notch.<<

 

Could you tell me more about meeting him and his facilities? I am

very excited to hear a first hand experience.

 

One more thing, I keep my EO's in the fridgerator because I had read

they would keep fresh and potent longer.... Is this correct thinking?

 

Thanks

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

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