Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Regarding the remainder of your question posed Chris - Labor coping techniques. Too often women do not realize that many caring doulas and midwives have put time and effort into sharing with others what they have found to work. Birthing with women is special. Women share experiences. My dh likes to say 'women talk alot.' LOL There are many non-medicinal alternatives for coping with labor. The further baby moves down the birth canal, the further along both mother and baby are physically prepared to seperate the stronger the contractions become, the harder the work. At some point nothing will make the pain truly go away. I previously mentioned that endorphins will kick in when mothers give in to their labor. However, her birth supporters need to help the endorphins kick in. Mothers can readily give in to the labor process when they feel safe in their environment. You must address physical, mental and emotional relaxation...sometimes all three at the same time during labor. I find that many people believe it's abnormal to hug, hold, cherish, whisper sweet nothings, cry with a woman who is laboring. In a hospital setting medical staff is trained to remove emotions from the equation. They must in order to do their job...and believe me if something is truly wrong you want them to be ready to do what it takes to help the mother and baby. However, that 'emergency' isn't likely to occur. Our attitudes must be one of positive birth images: I don't expect anything wrong to happen but I will be ready if something does go wrong. Parents need to balance caution and faith. That could be deemed an emotional part of relaxation. Mentally, we need to be ready to go the distance. When an athlete is on their last fumes but going for a win the whole world cheers them on and admires their strength for continuing and winning. When a laboring mother is working with all she has for those last moments, when she is crying from exhaustion...we say she doesn't have to be a martyr. Laboring mothers are a different kind of athlete. One of my moms came back to class and told my new birthing clients that her birth was her marathon and she expected everyone to support her to the finish line, carry her over if necessary but she was going to complete her marathon. That was her natural birth in a hospital birth center, spontaneous and unmedicated. I had another mother whose husband was away on business when she unexpectedly went into labor early by about 4 weeks. She brought with her signs to put up in her labor room: " I know this is hard work and I know that sometimes I am going to cry and maybe scare you with how hard I am working. Please, just hug me. " Her first nurse just pursed her lips and walked out. That's fine - if you can't support her you shouldn't be there. Thankfully, that nurse recognized her limitations and switched clients (for that is what pregnant women are) with another L & D nurse. The new nurse never did hug the laboring mother but at least she smiled every time she came in and she came in quietly when she did so as not to disturb us. Learn what can help you cope with pain. You do it all the time. You crunch your toes into the corner of that damn heavy antique dinosaur of a dresser (can you tell I've done that a few times LOL) and you find a way to cope with that pain. That is pain for pain. Labor pain is different: it is pain with a purpose. Women need people who believe in them and have faith in the process of labor. Women need knowledge. Women need experienced natural birth careproviders. Women need to share experiences to teach other what helps and why (i.e. birth balls, waterbirth, etc.). The wonderful techniques I know of that help women birth are many times viewed as romanticizing birth or just something extravagant that women do to have an interesting birth story. They are not - they are truly valuable 'tools' for birthing. A waterbirth is beautiful when you see it in pictures but it is also a very calming and peaceful way to labor and for baby to enter this world slowly from the warmth and liquid of the womb to the warm waters of earth and finally floating up to the surface to a 'hello' as they meet...air. I hope many of you on this list will not hesitate to share with other pregnant women a hand of hope. Tell them...yes, you know it hurts and maybe you or someone you know had a bad or scary experience but also tell them that you know now that there are other women who have found peaceful and joyful birth experiences. Please support each other. Please help someone know that they can and should plan what they can then be flexible for whatever their labor brings. Embrace it with their hearts wide open. Sorry to post so long a message again but I did feel the need to split my answer into two messages and address each seperately. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Der Dale, Thank you for sharing. This is an awesome email that I am going to pass on to a midwife friend in Maine. I live in Texas. She will be so happy to see your email because she talks the same way as you do about the birthing process. I was allowed one very healthy, loving child to rear so I do understand from where you are coming. Have a great weekend! Keep up the great work! Sincerely, Rhavda Emison Scents of Success <http://www.scentsofsuccess.com> Texas Grown-American Made Rose Oil Products Rose, Helichrysum, Melissa, Oak Moss & Other OIls > >Regarding the remainder of your question posed Chris - Labor coping >techniques. > >Too often women do not realize that many caring doulas and midwives >have put time and effort into sharing with others what they have >found to work. > >Birthing with women is special. Women share experiences. My dh >likes to say 'women talk alot.' LOL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 I had my son last December and I can echo a lot this. During my pregnancy, I was very depressed (I have manic-depression) and it was especially hard to be joyful about this. My husband wasn't especially supportive because he was too busy worrying about me (ladies, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about--I had to end up comforting him!!). In any case, through the fog, I realized that I needed some serious support if me and the little guy were going to come through this okay (I've been blessed--I also have an autoimmune disease). I didn't want to go back to the hospital I had before, so I switched doctors at the last minute and went to a birthing center. The doctor and midwife were so ultra-supportive it was incredible. When they asked me how I felt during visits, they just listened to what I had to say. They didn't try to " fix " me or offer recommendations that I could have thought of on my own. They suggested a doula for me. I didn't have much funding, so they gave me a list of some that were in the middle of getting their certification (i.e. volunteering!) and I got the most wonderful, wonderful woman. She gave me books, called me twice a week, gave me a back-up name in case of an emergency, and even set up to meet me at home for the early stage of labor. I am telling you--I wouldn't have made it through this birth without taking something without her. She knew when to talk to me, when to shut up (when to tell my husband to back off and when to tell him to step in--he meant well--he was there for the birth of our first two--but she just " knew " what to do). She helped me to do things to help ease the pain that I couldn't think of for myself. She had the FULLY STOCKED GOODY BAG--YEAH-YEAH!! That was a big help--especially the water and honey sticks. I especially needed this woman to get me through transition. I just wasn't prepared for how it was going to feel. I had to have my labor 'enhanced' with pitocin, though, because I just wasn't prepared to take care of another baby after going through such an awful time with my illness--I wanted to hang on to the 'almost maintenance free' stage of pregnancy. Sometimes it takes another person to see that you can do what you think you couldn't. I feel that childbirth is a deeply spiritual thing that is trivialized way, way too much. Women rish their very lives on the line to bring their child into the world. People may argue that in this country, we have medical care and death from childbirth complications are rare. This is true, but this still do and can happen. It is a profound thing--one person goes in and another emerges. Auden got here without meds and he amazed me with his behavior. He whimpered a little bit, then started looking around with such alertness. He was so calm--it just amazed me. With my first son, I had an epidural (which didn't work) and vacuum extraction--he had to be recesutated and put on O2. With my daughter, I had a shot of demerol. I was so out of it that I didn't even realize that I was pushing her out until the doctor just happened to check me and her head was crowning!! She was born early, too (and hollered the whole time in the hospital--we left after 24 hours). I know people say, " would you have your tooth yanked out without pain-killers'? Probably not, but that's something pathological if a tooth needs to come out. Nobody gives a marathon runner or a weight lifter when they are making their final haul. We are al more than the sum of our parts--go ahead amaze yourself. A " hand of hope " to you. - chris_b_11217 10/14/04 4:31:56 PM labor coping techniques Was: Natural Birth Regarding the remainder of your question posed Chris - Labor coping techniques. Too often women do not realize that many caring doulas and midwives have put time and effort into sharing with others what they have found to work. Birthing with women is special. Women share experiences. My dh likes to say 'women talk alot.' LOL There are many non-medicinal alternatives for coping with labor. The further baby moves down the birth canal, the further along both mother and baby are physically prepared to seperate the stronger the contractions become, the harder the work. At some point nothing will make the pain truly go away. I previously mentioned that endorphins will kick in when mothers give in to their labor. However, her birth supporters need to help the endorphins kick in. Mothers can readily give in to the labor process when they feel safe in their environment. You must address physical, mental and emotional relaxation...sometimes all three at the same time during labor. I find that many people believe it's abnormal to hug, hold, cherish, whisper sweet nothings, cry with a woman who is laboring. In a hospital setting medical staff is trained to remove emotions from the equation. They must in order to do their job...and believe me if something is truly wrong you want them to be ready to do what it takes to help the mother and baby. However, that 'emergency' isn't likely to occur. Our attitudes must be one of positive birth images: I don't expect anything wrong to happen but I will be ready if something does go wrong. Parents need to balance caution and faith. That could be deemed an emotional part of relaxation. Mentally, we need to be ready to go the distance. When an athlete is on their last fumes but going for a win the whole world cheers them on and admires their strength for continuing and winning. When a laboring mother is working with all she has for those last moments, when she is crying from exhaustion...we say she doesn't have to be a martyr. Laboring mothers are a different kind of athlete. One of my moms came back to class and told my new birthing clients that her birth was her marathon and she expected everyone to support her to the finish line, carry her over if necessary but she was going to complete her marathon. That was her natural birth in a hospital birth center, spontaneous and unmedicated. I had another mother whose husband was away on business when she unexpectedly went into labor early by about 4 weeks. She brought with her signs to put up in her labor room: " I know this is hard work and I know that sometimes I am going to cry and maybe scare you with how hard I am working. Please, just hug me. " Her first nurse just pursed her lips and walked out. That's fine - if you can't support her you shouldn't be there. Thankfully, that nurse recognized her limitations and switched clients (for that is what pregnant women are) with another L & D nurse. The new nurse never did hug the laboring mother but at least she smiled every time she came in and she came in quietly when she did so as not to disturb us. Learn what can help you cope with pain. You do it all the time. You crunch your toes into the corner of that damn heavy antique dinosaur of a dresser (can you tell I've done that a few times LOL) and you find a way to cope with that pain. That is pain for pain. Labor pain is different: it is pain with a purpose. Women need people who believe in them and have faith in the process of labor. Women need knowledge. Women need experienced natural birth careproviders. Women need to share experiences to teach other what helps and why (i.e. birth balls, waterbirth, etc.). The wonderful techniques I know of that help women birth are many times viewed as romanticizing birth or just something extravagant that women do to have an interesting birth story. They are not - they are truly valuable 'tools' for birthing. A waterbirth is beautiful when you see it in pictures but it is also a very calming and peaceful way to labor and for baby to enter this world slowly from the warmth and liquid of the womb to the warm waters of earth and finally floating up to the surface to a 'hello' as they meet...air. I hope many of you on this list will not hesitate to share with other pregnant women a hand of hope. Tell them...yes, you know it hurts and maybe you or someone you know had a bad or scary experience but also tell them that you know now that there are other women who have found peaceful and joyful birth experiences. Please support each other. Please help someone know that they can and should plan what they can then be flexible for whatever their labor brings. Embrace it with their hearts wide open. Sorry to post so long a message again but I did feel the need to split my answer into two messages and address each seperately. 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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Woo hoo!! You are the second mother I know who handled pit without pain meds. The first was a mama I doula'd. Yeah Auden! Babies do help themselves be born. Know how you touch a newborn's feet and they kick reflexively? Well, it is said that babies kick off of the uterus, much like a swimmer kicks off the side of a pool when they are doing laps, with each contraction - an aid to travelling down the birth canal. Dale , " Andrea Jones " <oceanmoon@e...> wrote: > I had to have my labor 'enhanced' with pitocin, though, because I just wasn't prepared to take care of another baby after going through such an awful time with my illness--I wanted to hang on to the 'almost maintenance free' stage of pregnancy. > > Sometimes it takes another person to see that you can do what you think you couldn't. I feel that childbirth is a deeply spiritual thing that is trivialized way, way too much. Women rish their very lives on the line to bring their child into the world. People may argue that in this country, we have medical care and death from childbirth complications are rare. This is true, but this still do and can happen. It is a profound thing--one person goes in and another emerges. > > Auden got here without meds and he amazed me with his behavior. He whimpered a little bit, then started looking around with such alertness. He was so calm--it just amazed me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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