Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Don, Thanks for the post but feel that some info might not be accurate. At present time, our DAOMs are not actually accredited by ACAOM until ACAOM changes its paperwork and asks for an expansion to include doctorate programs. Second, as far as I know, only five of the DAOM's have any claim to accreditation with ACAOM, the accreditation people in the US. The rest are candidates or beginners. Now, as to the PhD issue, CA does have an accredited PhD program in Classical Chinese medicine from an LA school that is accredited by the state of CA (BPPVE). This is the state organization that must first give any educational program the OK to operate. I concur that the master's is the only US degree needed to qualify for licensure. Foreign applicants may apply with Bachelor's, masters or PhD. As long as the minimum entrance requirements are covered, you are fine. Licensing is about clinical practice and not research. A DAOM is a post-graduate clinical doctorate that goes beyond normal professional practice, whereas, the PhD is a research degree. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Traditional Medicine don83407 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:51:57 -0500 RE: DAOM vs. DTCM There is no accredited Phd in AOM to date. Therefore, that assertion is not correct. There is only one accredited Doctorate in AOM in the United States, and that is the DAOM. Also, one does not need the DAOM to practice in the U.S. You only need a Master's level degree. Therefore, the DAOM doesn't really matter except to the one that has it. It means they cared enough to go the extra mile. And yes, the efficacy of the DAOM is higher than that of the Master's level. They have been compared at PCOM, which is where I earned my DAOM. Hope this helps, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine singlewhip2001 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:30:45 +0000 Re: DAOM vs. DTCM My understanding is the DAOM has no value to Acupuncture licensing agencies. The Ph.D. from an accredited institution is the only universally accepted degree. Chinese Medicine , aqupoint wrote: > > Hello David: I will not matter what the title is ,if it is not accepted. I assume the degrees are the same, but I don,t know and surely someone will say they are not. I was in school for 4 years to learn what I know, but until there is one World standard, there will be arguing about who knows more etc. You should check with the area in which you want to work as to what you need too have. William. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Check again, that Phd program is not AOM accredited and has no accreditation at all. You can actually check with the state. As for acreditation of the schools, simply call them. They have to tell you yes or no. So I suggest you call them. I taught there for a number of years and I'm pretty sure it's accredited, and if not candidate status is certainly good since many of the AOM schools Master's programs are only candidate, and it works for them. Zev is a prof at PCOM and frequents this site. Perhaps you can ask him? Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Traditional Medicine naturaldoc1 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:25:14 +0000 DAOM vs PhD Don, Thanks for the post but feel that some info might not be accurate. At present time, our DAOMs are not actually accredited by ACAOM until ACAOM changes its paperwork and asks for an expansion to include doctorate programs. Second, as far as I know, only five of the DAOM's have any claim to accreditation with ACAOM, the accreditation people in the US. The rest are candidates or beginners. Now, as to the PhD issue, CA does have an accredited PhD program in Classical Chinese medicine from an LA school that is accredited by the state of CA (BPPVE). This is the state organization that must first give any educational program the OK to operate. I concur that the master's is the only US degree needed to qualify for licensure. Foreign applicants may apply with Bachelor's, masters or PhD. As long as the minimum entrance requirements are covered, you are fine. Licensing is about clinical practice and not research. A DAOM is a post-graduate clinical doctorate that goes beyond normal professional practice, whereas, the PhD is a research degree. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Traditional Medicine don83407 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:51:57 -0500 RE: DAOM vs. DTCM There is no accredited Phd in AOM to date. Therefore, that assertion is not correct. There is only one accredited Doctorate in AOM in the United States, and that is the DAOM. Also, one does not need the DAOM to practice in the U.S. You only need a Master's level degree. Therefore, the DAOM doesn't really matter except to the one that has it. It means they cared enough to go the extra mile. And yes, the efficacy of the DAOM is higher than that of the Master's level. They have been compared at PCOM, which is where I earned my DAOM. Hope this helps, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine singlewhip2001 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:30:45 +0000 Re: DAOM vs. DTCM My understanding is the DAOM has no value to Acupuncture licensing agencies. The Ph.D. from an accredited institution is the only universally accepted degree. Chinese Medicine , aqupoint wrote: > > Hello David: I will not matter what the title is ,if it is not accepted. I assume the degrees are the same, but I don,t know and surely someone will say they are not. I was in school for 4 years to learn what I know, but until there is one World standard, there will be arguing about who knows more etc. You should check with the area in which you want to work as to what you need too have. William. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Don, My bad as the Bureau (CA BPPVE) is no longer accrediting any educational programs as the law was repealed. It has been awhile since I was living in CA. They did accredit programs for many years and that included all the OM programs in CA, as well. For that matter, the only accreditation left is ACAOM or regional university. I think that there is only one TCM/OM school that is western regionally accredited (SCUHS). As accredited or unaccredited PhD's in OM go, it matters little. I think it only matters if you plan to use the wording of " Doctor " in advertising. CA has addressed this issue and looks down upon those PhD programs that operate out of state or online diploma mills. If this law has changed, please feel free to correct me. Thanks Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Traditional Medicine don83407 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:29:26 -0500 RE: DAOM vs PhD Check again, that Phd program is not AOM accredited and has no accreditation at all. You can actually check with the state. As for acreditation of the schools, simply call them. They have to tell you yes or no. So I suggest you call them. I taught there for a number of years and I'm pretty sure it's accredited, and if not candidate status is certainly good since many of the AOM schools Master's programs are only candidate, and it works for them. Zev is a prof at PCOM and frequents this site. Perhaps you can ask him? Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Traditional Medicine naturaldoc1 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:25:14 +0000 DAOM vs PhD Don, Thanks for the post but feel that some info might not be accurate. At present time, our DAOMs are not actually accredited by ACAOM until ACAOM changes its paperwork and asks for an expansion to include doctorate programs. Second, as far as I know, only five of the DAOM's have any claim to accreditation with ACAOM, the accreditation people in the US. The rest are candidates or beginners. Now, as to the PhD issue, CA does have an accredited PhD program in Classical Chinese medicine from an LA school that is accredited by the state of CA (BPPVE). This is the state organization that must first give any educational program the OK to operate. I concur that the master's is the only US degree needed to qualify for licensure. Foreign applicants may apply with Bachelor's, masters or PhD. As long as the minimum entrance requirements are covered, you are fine. Licensing is about clinical practice and not research. A DAOM is a post-graduate clinical doctorate that goes beyond normal professional practice, whereas, the PhD is a research degree. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Traditional Medicine don83407 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:51:57 -0500 RE: DAOM vs. DTCM There is no accredited Phd in AOM to date. Therefore, that assertion is not correct. There is only one accredited Doctorate in AOM in the United States, and that is the DAOM. Also, one does not need the DAOM to practice in the U.S. You only need a Master's level degree. Therefore, the DAOM doesn't really matter except to the one that has it. It means they cared enough to go the extra mile. And yes, the efficacy of the DAOM is higher than that of the Master's level. They have been compared at PCOM, which is where I earned my DAOM. Hope this helps, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine singlewhip2001 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:30:45 +0000 Re: DAOM vs. DTCM My understanding is the DAOM has no value to Acupuncture licensing agencies. The Ph.D. from an accredited institution is the only universally accepted degree. Chinese Medicine , aqupoint wrote: > > Hello David: I will not matter what the title is ,if it is not accepted. I assume the degrees are the same, but I don,t know and surely someone will say they are not. I was in school for 4 years to learn what I know, but until there is one World standard, there will be arguing about who knows more etc. You should check with the area in which you want to work as to what you need too have. William. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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