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With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San and try to

clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I tonify afterwards. It's

often a pretty complex pattern. I have not seem good results unless clients can

actually reduce their weight some.

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa

 

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

 

Phone: 503 364 3022

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Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

pills

 

 

Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

 

Thanks!

Ariel

 

 

 

 

 

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Most of my experience with PCOS has been fertility related.

 

I tend to nourish and clear at the same time- with a little more focus

on clearing at first and then a little more focus on nourishing later.

I have actually had very good results with 100% pregnancy success rates.

 

This current patient does not like the normal granules I prescribe, so I

am trying to find something in pill form that will work. It is tough

finding something in pill form that will work since PCOS is such a

complicated picture- I also almost never use pills, so I don't really

know what is out there.

 

I will check out Qing Wei San.

 

I was looking at Kan's Weight Manager or Spleen Support Formula (maybe

too warm). Any thoughts?

 

Ariel

 

 

Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. wrote:

>

>

> With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San

> and try to clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I

> tonify afterwards. It's often a pretty complex pattern. I have not

> seem good results unless clients can actually reduce their weight some.

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net>

>

> www.InnerhealthSalem.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

> pills

>

> Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

> mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

> blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

>

> Thanks!

> Ariel

>

>

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If she doesn't like the granules, you can tell her to get a pill making machine

(about 20 bucks).  Or make them for her yourself. It takes about 5-10 minutes to

make 100 caps. Easy to use and you can still customize the formula. Only bad

part is that folks end up taking alot of caps and there is no taste so you lose

a portion of the effects.

 

Be well,

Bob

Robert Linde, AP, RH

Professional Herbalists Training Program

Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

901 Central Ave

St. Petersburg, FL 33705

www.acuherbals.com

727-551-0857

 

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. <ariel wrote:

 

 

Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. <ariel

Re: PCOS pills

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of my experience with PCOS has been fertility related.

 

I tend to nourish and clear at the same time- with a little more focus

on clearing at first and then a little more focus on nourishing later.

I have actually had very good results with 100% pregnancy success rates.

 

This current patient does not like the normal granules I prescribe, so I

am trying to find something in pill form that will work. It is tough

finding something in pill form that will work since PCOS is such a

complicated picture- I also almost never use pills, so I don't really

know what is out there.

 

I will check out Qing Wei San.

 

I was looking at Kan's Weight Manager or Spleen Support Formula (maybe

too warm). Any thoughts?

 

Ariel

 

Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. wrote:

>

>

> With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San

> and try to clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I

> tonify afterwards. It's often a pretty complex pattern. I have not

> seem good results unless clients can actually reduce their weight some.

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net <angelapfa% 40comcast. net>

>

> www.InnerhealthSale m.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

>

> <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

> pills

>

> Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

> mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

> blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

>

> Thanks!

> Ariel

>

>

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Agreed.

For patient compliance and individualization of formulas I make in the

vicinity of 50,000 capsules a year. Its nothing to sit down and make 4 to 8

formulas each day.

And I find that less is more IF the formula is on target.

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 8/26/2009 10:36:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

boblindeherbalist writes:

 

 

 

 

If she doesn't like the granules, you can tell her to get a pill making

machine (about 20 bucks). Or make them for her yourself. It takes about 5-10

minutes to make 100 caps. Easy to use and you can still customize the

formula. Only bad part is that folks end up taking alot of caps and there is no

taste so you lose a portion of the effects.

 

Be well,

Bob

Robert Linde, AP, RH

Professional Herbalists Training Program

Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies

901 Central Ave

St. Petersburg, FL 33705

www.acuherbals.www

727-551-0857

 

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. <_ariel@fiveseasonsweariel@five_

(ariel) > wrote:

 

Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. <_ariel@fiveseasonsweariel@five_

(ariel) >

Re: PCOS pills

_Traditional_Traditional_<WBRTraditional_Tra_

(Chinese Medicine )

Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:37 PM

 

 

 

Most of my experience with PCOS has been fertility related.

 

I tend to nourish and clear at the same time- with a little more focus

on clearing at first and then a little more focus on nourishing later.

I have actually had very good results with 100% pregnancy success rates.

 

This current patient does not like the normal granules I prescribe, so I

am trying to find something in pill form that will work. It is tough

finding something in pill form that will work since PCOS is such a

complicated picture- I also almost never use pills, so I don't really

know what is out there.

 

I will check out Qing Wei San.

 

I was looking at Kan's Weight Manager or Spleen Support Formula (maybe

too warm). Any thoughts?

 

Ariel

 

Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. wrote:

>

>

> With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San

> and try to clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I

> tonify afterwards. It's often a pretty complex pattern. I have not

> seem good results unless clients can actually reduce their weight some.

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net <angelapfa% 40comcast. net>

>

> www.InnerhealthSale m.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

>

> <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

> pills

>

> Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

> mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

> blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

>

> Thanks!

> Ariel

>

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From my experience there has not been such a problem.

Besides how many is so-many?

When formula is on target (in my experience) 2-3 capsules TID is more than

enough.

Sometimes even less.

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:23:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ariel writes:

 

I considered encapsulating the granules, I am just worried that so many

gel or veggie caps will disrupt her digestion, compounding the

phlegm-damp problem. Any thoughts?

 

 

 

 

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Hi Ariel,

 

You could also tell them to suck it up, especially if you have a reputation

that you can bring to bear.

Granules are already incredibly convenient in terms of preparation. Gosh what

do these people want?!?!?!?!?!

 

Tongue-in-cheek,

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 18:37:20

Re: PCOS pills

 

 

Most of my experience with PCOS has been fertility related.

 

I tend to nourish and clear at the same time- with a little more focus

on clearing at first and then a little more focus on nourishing later.

I have actually had very good results with 100% pregnancy success rates.

 

This current patient does not like the normal granules I prescribe, so I

am trying to find something in pill form that will work. It is tough

finding something in pill form that will work since PCOS is such a

complicated picture- I also almost never use pills, so I don't really

know what is out there.

 

I will check out Qing Wei San.

 

I was looking at Kan's Weight Manager or Spleen Support Formula (maybe

too warm). Any thoughts?

 

Ariel

 

Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. wrote:

>

>

> With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San

> and try to clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I

> tonify afterwards. It's often a pretty complex pattern. I have not

> seem good results unless clients can actually reduce their weight some.

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net <angelapfa% 40comcast. net>

>

> www.InnerhealthSale m.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

>

> <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

> pills

>

> Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

> mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

> blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

>

> Thanks!

> Ariel

>

>

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Seriously! At times, I find patient compliance one of the most

frustrating parts of my job. I like to be successful and help people.

I am very successful when people follow the treatment plans I lay out

for them. When people don't follow through, progress can get very slow,

and sometimes they get frustrated at me and think that TCM doesn't

work. I think some people only listen to the parts of my instructions

they want to hear!

 

Luckily, most of my patients are happy to follow my instructions, so I

can't complain too much!

 

I considered encapsulating the granules, I am just worried that so many

gel or veggie caps will disrupt her digestion, compounding the

phlegm-damp problem. Any thoughts?

 

Ariel

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro wrote:

>

>

> Hi Ariel,

>

> You could also tell them to suck it up, especially if you have a

> reputation that you can bring to bear.

> Granules are already incredibly convenient in terms of preparation.

> Gosh what do these people want?!?!?!?!?!

>

> Tongue-in-cheek,

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com <http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com>

> http://www.middlemedicine.org <http://www.middlemedicine.org>

>

> ________________________________

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

> <ariel%40fiveseasonswellness.com>>

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 18:37:20

> Re: PCOS pills

>

> Most of my experience with PCOS has been fertility related.

>

> I tend to nourish and clear at the same time- with a little more focus

> on clearing at first and then a little more focus on nourishing later.

> I have actually had very good results with 100% pregnancy success rates.

>

> This current patient does not like the normal granules I prescribe, so I

> am trying to find something in pill form that will work. It is tough

> finding something in pill form that will work since PCOS is such a

> complicated picture- I also almost never use pills, so I don't really

> know what is out there.

>

> I will check out Qing Wei San.

>

> I was looking at Kan's Weight Manager or Spleen Support Formula (maybe

> too warm). Any thoughts?

>

> Ariel

>

> Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. wrote:

> >

> >

> > With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San

> > and try to clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I

> > tonify afterwards. It's often a pretty complex pattern. I have not

> > seem good results unless clients can actually reduce their weight some.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

> >

> > angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net <angelapfa% 40comcast. net>

> >

> > www.InnerhealthSale m.com

> >

> > Phone: 503 364 3022

> > -

> > Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

> >

> > <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

> > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

> > pills

> >

> > Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

> > mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

> > blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Ariel

> >

> >

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Ariel:

 

 

 

I just tell them " It has been my experience that patients who take the herbs

regularly at the recommended dosage, get better faster and see results more

quickly. "   I make adjustments when I hear complaints, such as " take less at

first, take with food, take twice instead of 3 times. "   In the end, if they are

taking them to dose, results will come more quickly.  I remind them of this if

they tell me they haven't been taking them (or to dose) for some reason.  It

tends to be a motivator. If they still won't take them, then I am fixing the

headache every two weeks - and that is their choice to be on that schedule.

 

 

 

Anne

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

-

" Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

" Traditional "

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:08:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Re:  PCOS pills

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously! At times, I find patient compliance one of the most

frustrating parts of my job. I like to be successful and help people.

I am very successful when people follow the treatment plans I lay out

for them. When people don't follow through, progress can get very slow,

and sometimes they get frustrated at me and think that TCM doesn't

work. I think some people only listen to the parts of my instructions

they want to hear!

 

Luckily, most of my patients are happy to follow my instructions, so I

can't complain too much!

 

I considered encapsulating the granules, I am just worried that so many

gel or veggie caps will disrupt her digestion, compounding the

phlegm-damp problem. Any thoughts?

 

Ariel

 

Hugo Ramiro wrote:

>

>

> Hi Ariel,

>

> You could also tell them to suck it up, especially if you have a

> reputation that you can bring to bear.

> Granules are already incredibly convenient in terms of preparation.

> Gosh what do these people want?!?!?!?!?!

>

> Tongue-in-cheek,

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com < http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com >

> http://www.middlemedicine.org < http://www.middlemedicine.org >

>

> ________________________________

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " < ariel

> <ariel%40fiveseasonswellness.com>>

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 18:37:20

> Re: PCOS pills

>

> Most of my experience with PCOS has been fertility related.

>

> I tend to nourish and clear at the same time- with a little more focus

> on clearing at first and then a little more focus on nourishing later.

> I have actually had very good results with 100% pregnancy success rates.

>

> This current patient does not like the normal granules I prescribe, so I

> am trying to find something in pill form that will work. It is tough

> finding something in pill form that will work since PCOS is such a

> complicated picture- I also almost never use pills, so I don't really

> know what is out there.

>

> I will check out Qing Wei San.

>

> I was looking at Kan's Weight Manager or Spleen Support Formula (maybe

> too warm). Any thoughts?

>

> Ariel

>

> Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. wrote:

> >

> >

> > With PCOS I usually try to work in stages. I start with Qing Wei San

> > and try to clear the heat and get them to lose some weight, then I

> > tonify afterwards. It's often a pretty complex pattern. I have not

> > seem good results unless clients can actually reduce their weight some.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

> >

> > angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net <angelapfa% 40comcast. net>

> >

> > www.InnerhealthSale m.com

> >

> > Phone: 503 364 3022

> > -

> > Ariel Solomon, L.Ac.

> >

> > <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

> > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

> > pills

> >

> > Does anyone know of a good pill formula for " spleen qi deficiency and

> > mild kidney yang def with phlegm-damp (slight heat) and slight yin/

> > blood deficiency " (PCOS)?

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Ariel

> >

> >

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