Us and them

August 21, 2009

Some MDs will recognize the wall....but most will not.

That's why there are only 633,000 left.

And as one should be able to tell they themselves, day by day, are

becoming more slaves to the present " system " .

If you look into allopathic hospitals these days one can find more and more

" physician substitutes " .

They make even better slaves and cost a lot less than MDs.

After going through various foreign trained MDs (FMGs) they are using DOs,

others use ARNPs, RNs, and many use MD students who actually PAY the

system to work in the hospitals.

Richard

In a message dated 8/21/2009 4:15:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

Any MD with half a brain, also can see the writing on the wall,

recognizes his limitations, and by networking will surely learn of the efficacy

of a

sharp practitioner <W Acupuncture and Chinese medicine (ACM).

August 21, 2009

My dear Hugo,

Don't take yourself so seriously! Remember, the things that you can change, you

must, that which is beyond your ability to change, just let go of and give it to

The One who made you, cares about you, and watches over your every step. We are

just conduits for healing anyway, aren't we? 'If you do right, connect with

superior people, have the patience to educate and be available for your

patients, then the good you do will reverberate far and wide. So too, someone

who is incompetent will eventually get it when they don't have any patients! And

as far as MD's are concerned, every day we hear about dissatisfied patients

who do not get well using the best that Biomedicine has to offer. You know

what? Any MD with half a brain, also can see the writing on the wall,

recognizes his limitations, and by networking will surely learn of the efficacy

of a sharp practitioner of Acupuncture and Chinese medicine (ACM).

I want to share with you an interesting patient that I am now (sort of )

treating. He is a psychiatric patient with O/C/D, bi-polar and anger

management issues. His brother, a chiropractor (who is also a patient) referred

him to me. ' Trouble is that his shrink is Chinese, is a licensed acupuncturist

(supposedly) and again is supposedly knowledgeable in ACM. The brother is

working on his nutrition and helping him get off the mild-altering drugs, and

wanted me to use ACM, CranioSacral therapy (CST), and other therapies that I

know to complement what he does. He had one treatment, felt wonderful after it,

and asked me to make copies of the formulas that I would like to prescribe for

him. The following week, the brother went with him to his psychiatrist. When

the patient showed his the formulas, he smirked, and said, " this guy doesn't

know what he is doing, it is OK to get acupuncture and CST from him, but don't

take any of

the herbs, they are dangerous and contraindicated with the meds you are

taking. " After the session the two brothers got into a horrible fight, and my

patient, the chiropractor called me up to ask me what to do. I told him the

following. " Tell your brother that upon reflection, you are right, it is

important to clarify how the therapies are working, and the best thing is to

have the psychiatrist do exactly what he wants, and let him refer your brother

to whatever acupuncturist he wants. Have your brother ask the shrink exactly

what benefits he can expect. In the meantime, monitor his symptoms regularly,

every few days. Do research on the drugs to see what side effects the elicit

and can be expected. Chronicle for him how the drugs are affecting him, as for

sure they will have side effects! Suggest that he give them an agreed to trial

period, and after that time is up, see if the shrink delivered on what he

promised and

determine if the side effects were worth the price he paid. I guarantee you,

he will acknowledge dissatisfaction. THEN we can start to work together. "

The key is patience!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Re: acupuncture for MD course

Chinese Medicine

Friday, August 21, 2009, 7:00 AM

Hi Yehuda and all:

--Yehuda-

Speaking for myself, I don't feel in the least bit threatened by them. I'm

sorry that you do.

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I myself feel threatened by low-level acupuncturists like MDs etc. I find

myself wondering, as Tatiana did, how long our profession will last. Our

profession is small, and I have found that as many MDs as are willing to say

that they are limited in their acupuncture tool use, there are more who will say

that they are the only ones who do it right. It seems to me that the next

assault in the co-optation of our profession will occur as our underlying theory

is discredited (with or without reason), finally eliminating any need for an

actual " Doctor " from the picture, since acupuncture' s effects

are neurologically based.

Of course, I hope I am totally wrong and buying into a merely paranoid

mentality.

Thoughts?

Hugo

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Friday, 21 August, 2009 1:34:21

Re: acupuncture for MD course

Tatiana,

It is important to remember that acupuncture is just a tool, like a hammer, a

drill or for that matter, a computer. The success is based upon the skill of the

craftsman. Of course, it's always nice to use quick cook book points to awe

and amaze patients with how magical acupuncture is, but that should not be the

basis of our practice. Rather, the key must be to determine the pathogenesis of

the imbalance and/or illness in order to guide the patient back to balance and

robust health. Any bright, knowledgeable and mature MD (or chiropractor, for

that matter) who integrates acupuncture into their practice will tell you that

they recognize their limitations. Speaking for myself, I don't feel in the

least bit threatened by them. I'm sorry that you do. I would add, though, that

because we are blessed we so many wonderful masters, scholars and teachers who

offer CEU courses, one should make it their business to learn and keep learning.

The

skill and confidence that comes with it will speak for itself, to potential

patients, as well as other medical colleagues!

'much good fortune!

www.traditional

jewishmedicine. netwww.tradition aljewishmedicine .blogspot. com

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

tgaid1 <tvgaid (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

acupuncture for MD course

Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:07 PM

Sorry for raising the old topic up, but i think we need to know how our medicine

is presented to the Western doctors and how far they can go...

Interesting what will be your opinion on this program for Mds:

http://www.acupunct urecourse. org/a_comments. php

It looks very nice, although it does not give deep understanding of TCM.

Interesting if participants keep applying the new skills in their practice and

do they really get good results... I am not talking about few gifted

practitioners or using techniques like acupuncture point injections.. .

I see more and more young MD and DO with acupuncture training...

Interesting, how long our profession will last.

Tatiana

August 21, 2009

Hi Yehuda, thank you for your note!

I definitely struggle within the wood cycle, my armies ready to march, the

expansiveness of open-Hearted energies not fully acknowledged!

Thank you for the case study, I hope to read more of those from others as well.

Will ponder your points in the aftermath of last night's tornadoes (!).

Hugo

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http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

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