Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 Can anyone tell me about contraindications for cordyceps (Dong Chong Xia Cao) >>>Internal Heat Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 A few times I know people who took it the form of soup with chicken etc, and they got headaches. I think because its a strong tonic and the didn't need the tonic. Heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Kan Herb Company sells an excellent cordyceps extract from Mycoherb. It is very reasonably priced as well. 1-800-543-5233. On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 07:44 PM, Steve Snydes wrote: > Does anyone have a good quality source for > Cordyceps? I think it was posted in the past, please > refresh my memory, and yes price matters. Steve > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 , Steve Snydes <snydez99> wrote: > Does anyone have a good quality source for > Cordyceps? I think it was posted in the past, please > refresh my memory, and yes price matters. Steve: MediTalent at http://www.meditalent.com/emain1.htm has very good Cordyceps; they also have a ginseng product, 9405. Their products are good quality, though, a bit pricey. Miki Shima recommended them for cancer patients several years back at the PCOM conference. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Hi, Does any one know of a source of Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps) None of my suppliers have bulk (raw) in stock. I have checked Golden Needle (Asia Naturals), Crane (Springwind), Nuherbs and Mayway. Thanks Dave David Toone, L.Ac. Health without Drugs or Surgery 105 Tivoli Gardens Peachtree City, GA 30269 770.780.9608 info www.davidtoone.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Hi David, I've got a 1:1 extract of whole mycelium with >19% cordyceps acid if that's helpful? Contact off list please: info Thanks, Lorraine Hodgkinson Chinese Medicine , David Toone <davidetoone wrote: > > Hi, > > Does any one know of a source of Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps) None > of my suppliers have bulk (raw) in stock. I have checked Golden > Needle (Asia Naturals), Crane (Springwind), Nuherbs and Mayway. > > Thanks > > Dave > > David Toone, L.Ac. > Health without Drugs or Surgery > 105 Tivoli Gardens > Peachtree City, GA 30269 > 770.780.9608 > info > www.davidtoone.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dave, An option I would suggest would be Mayway, which carries Cordyceps biomass powder. I find the quality and potency excellent, and have been prescribing it for about 3 years. , candidate, DAOM \ --- On Thu, 8/20/09, David Toone <davidetoone wrote: David Toone <davidetoone Cordyceps Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 20, 2009, 4:19 PM Hi, Does any one know of a source of Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps) None of my suppliers have bulk (raw) in stock. I have checked Golden Needle (Asia Naturals), Crane (Springwind) , Nuherbs and Mayway. Thanks Dave David Toone, L.Ac. Health without Drugs or Surgery 105 Tivoli Gardens Peachtree City, GA 30269 770.780.9608 info (AT) davidtoone (DOT) com www.davidtoone. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Chinese Medicine , David Toone <davidetoone wrote: > > Hi, > > Does any one know of a source of Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps) None > of my suppliers have bulk (raw) in stock. I have checked Golden > Needle (Asia Naturals), Crane (Springwind), Nuherbs and Mayway. I have the cultivated mycelium and the cultivated fruiting body of lab-grown cordyceps. It has similar constituents to the natural product, but it is only about $50-100/lb instead of $3000/lb. The wild product is prohibitively expensive so most suppliers do not carry it (the non-Chinese market is small for a product that is so expensive). The fruiting body is more expensive than the mycelium, but they smell similar and have similar constituents. The fruiting body is graded based on its color, shape, taste, and fragrance. I have a few short write-ups on the web that discuss cordyceps. See my website www.legendaryherbs.com for more info. Also, check out the Blue Poppy blog at the following link. Blue Poppy is going to expand into medicinal mushrooms as well, and they have an excellent source for cultivated cordyceps and its extracts. If you need wild cordyceps, I can get it for you from Chinese wholesale markets, but you'd have to order in advance and be prepared to spend several hundred dollars for a minimum order. Otherwise, I'd recommend the cultivated product. For the whole fungus, I think my Legendary Herbs product is the best on the market, for powder or extract I would go for People's Herbs or the upcoming products from Blue Poppy Herbs. http://www.legendaryherbs.com/products/cordyceps.html http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/03/17/guangzhou-s-herbal-mark\ et-part-two Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I would agree with Yehuda, the biomass powder (lab grown) has several benefits... 1. it's much cleaner (there's no telling about the heavy metal content in raw) 2. the potency is consistent and powerful (just 2 capsules will show a strong effect) 3. you can trust the source (sometimes with raw there could be tampering to weigh down the product) 4. it's over 100 times less expensive.... raw = $3/ gram biomass = 10 cents / gram (30 times cheaper) 5. it's much more ethical, because of over wild-harvesting K On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:17 PM, wrote: > > > Dave, > An option I would suggest would be Mayway, which carries Cordyceps biomass > powder. I find the quality and potency excellent, and have been prescribing > it for about 3 years. > > , candidate, > DAOM > > > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, David Toone <davidetoone<davidetoone%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > David Toone <davidetoone <davidetoone%40gmail.com>> > Cordyceps > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Thursday, August 20, 2009, 4:19 PM > > > > > Hi, > > Does any one know of a source of Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps) None > > of my suppliers have bulk (raw) in stock. I have checked Golden > > Needle (Asia Naturals), Crane (Springwind) , Nuherbs and Mayway. > > Thanks > > Dave > > David Toone, L.Ac. > > Health without Drugs or Surgery > > 105 Tivoli Gardens > > Peachtree City, GA 30269 > > 770.780.9608 > > info (AT) davidtoone (DOT) com > > www.davidtoone. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Eric, Thanks for the info. Benksy lists the dosage for cordyceps as 3 - 9 grams. What is the equivalent dose for the cultivated herb (not the granules)? Thanks. David On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:35 AM, smilinglotus wrote: > Chinese Medicine , David Toone > <davidetoone wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Does any one know of a source of Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps) None > > of my suppliers have bulk (raw) in stock. I have checked Golden > > Needle (Asia Naturals), Crane (Springwind), Nuherbs and Mayway. > > I have the cultivated mycelium and the cultivated fruiting body of > lab-grown cordyceps. It has similar constituents to the natural > product, but it is only about $50-100/lb instead of $3000/lb. The > wild product is prohibitively expensive so most suppliers do not > carry it (the non-Chinese market is small for a product that is so > expensive). > > The fruiting body is more expensive than the mycelium, but they > smell similar and have similar constituents. The fruiting body is > graded based on its color, shape, taste, and fragrance. > > I have a few short write-ups on the web that discuss cordyceps. See > my website www.legendaryherbs.com for more info. Also, check out the > Blue Poppy blog at the following link. Blue Poppy is going to expand > into medicinal mushrooms as well, and they have an excellent source > for cultivated cordyceps and its extracts. > > If you need wild cordyceps, I can get it for you from Chinese > wholesale markets, but you'd have to order in advance and be > prepared to spend several hundred dollars for a minimum order. > Otherwise, I'd recommend the cultivated product. For the whole > fungus, I think my Legendary Herbs product is the best on the > market, for powder or extract I would go for People's Herbs or the > upcoming products from Blue Poppy Herbs. > > http://www.legendaryherbs.com/products/cordyceps.html > > http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/03/17/guangzhou-s-herbal-mark\ et-part-two > > Eric Brand > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Chinese Medicine , David Toone <davidetoone wrote: > > Eric, > > Thanks for the info. Benksy lists the dosage for cordyceps as 3 - 9 > grams. What is the equivalent dose for the cultivated herb (not the > granules)? Thanks. Most people just use the same dose. In a sense, cultivated cordyceps is a new medicinal. It has similar constituents to the wild product and the cultivated product is often more potent based on a lab assessment. Nonetheless, it doesn't come from the same environment so it cannot be assumed to be identical in terms of its properties. Large scale cultivation has only been going on for about a decade or so, so there isn't adequate experience to know exactly how the two products compare. Different doctors have different opinions, and there is no firm consensus. Best thing is to try the two side by side and see what you think. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Eric, Thanks for the additional information -- very helpful. Sounds like I can dose on the lighter side and get the same results. BTW, my office called your office and left a message. David On Aug 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, smilinglotus wrote: > Chinese Medicine , David Toone > <davidetoone wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > Thanks for the info. Benksy lists the dosage for cordyceps as 3 - 9 > > grams. What is the equivalent dose for the cultivated herb (not the > > granules)? Thanks. > > Most people just use the same dose. In a sense, cultivated cordyceps > is a new medicinal. It has similar constituents to the wild product > and the cultivated product is often more potent based on a lab > assessment. Nonetheless, it doesn't come from the same environment > so it cannot be assumed to be identical in terms of its properties. > > Large scale cultivation has only been going on for about a decade or > so, so there isn't adequate experience to know exactly how the two > products compare. Different doctors have different opinions, and > there is no firm consensus. Best thing is to try the two side by > side and see what you think. > > Eric Brand > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 3-9 grams of the biomass cordyceps powder depending on the source of course, will be overpowering. I would start small... like 1-2 grams and see the effects first. Taking 3-9 grams of lab grown could be like taking V, not Viagra, but Vamp juice (reference to True Blood episodes 2-3, which can cause side effects) Bon appetit, K On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:59 AM, smilinglotus <smilinglotuswrote: > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > David Toone <davidetoone wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > Thanks for the info. Benksy lists the dosage for cordyceps as 3 - 9 > > grams. What is the equivalent dose for the cultivated herb (not the > > granules)? Thanks. > > Most people just use the same dose. In a sense, cultivated cordyceps is a > new medicinal. It has similar constituents to the wild product and the > cultivated product is often more potent based on a lab assessment. > Nonetheless, it doesn't come from the same environment so it cannot be > assumed to be identical in terms of its properties. > > Large scale cultivation has only been going on for about a decade or so, so > there isn't adequate experience to know exactly how the two products > compare. Different doctors have different opinions, and there is no firm > consensus. Best thing is to try the two side by side and see what you think. > > Eric Brand > > > -- When one pill of the great elixir forms in the furnace, The embryonic immortal in the room dances three leaps. The four signs and five energies all combine harmoniously, The nine-restoration and seven-reversion complete the work cycle. The radiant form of the moon appears from the hut, The shining light illumines the universe. " The Book of Balance and Harmony " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Most brands you would need at least 5-10 X (I'm not exaggerating)the dose to equal wild...There is one brand out there slow-growing it in a cold low o2 environment that is equal in potency to wild... Chinese Medicine , " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus wrote: > > Chinese Medicine , David Toone <davidetoone@> wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > Thanks for the info. Benksy lists the dosage for cordyceps as 3 - 9 > > grams. What is the equivalent dose for the cultivated herb (not the > > granules)? Thanks. > > Most people just use the same dose. In a sense, cultivated cordyceps is a new medicinal. It has similar constituents to the wild product and the cultivated product is often more potent based on a lab assessment. Nonetheless, it doesn't come from the same environment so it cannot be assumed to be identical in terms of its properties. > > Large scale cultivation has only been going on for about a decade or so, so there isn't adequate experience to know exactly how the two products compare. Different doctors have different opinions, and there is no firm consensus. Best thing is to try the two side by side and see what you think. > > Eric Brand > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 --Jason- Most brands you would need at least 5-10 X (I'm not exaggerating) the dose to equal wild...There is one brand out there slow-growing it in a cold low o2 environment that is equal in potency to wild... --- Hi Jason...and that brand is...? Thanks! Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Even one gram TID can be VERY stimulating. Though clearly Kidney Xu, I found that giving my wife 1g caused three interesting changes: 1. frequent urination, 2. increasing spasming, and 3. a sudden loquaciousness. The lesson would seem to be, to think twice before prescribing cordyceps powder to boost the Kd in the presence of Liver wind. --- On Sat, 8/22/09, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: Re: Cordyceps Chinese Medicine Saturday, August 22, 2009, 7:31 AM 3-9 grams of the biomass cordyceps powder depending on the source of course, will be overpowering. I would start small... like 1-2 grams and see the effects first. Taking 3-9 grams of lab grown could be like taking V, not Viagra, but Vamp juice (reference to True Blood episodes 2-3, which can cause side effects) Bon appetit, K On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:59 AM, smilinglotus <smilinglotus@ >wrote: > > > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine %40. com>, > David Toone <davidetoone@ ...> wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > Thanks for the info. Benksy lists the dosage for cordyceps as 3 - 9 > > grams. What is the equivalent dose for the cultivated herb (not the > > granules)? Thanks. > > Most people just use the same dose. In a sense, cultivated cordyceps is a > new medicinal. It has similar constituents to the wild product and the > cultivated product is often more potent based on a lab assessment. > Nonetheless, it doesn't come from the same environment so it cannot be > assumed to be identical in terms of its properties. > > Large scale cultivation has only been going on for about a decade or so, so > there isn't adequate experience to know exactly how the two products > compare. Different doctors have different opinions, and there is no firm > consensus. Best thing is to try the two side by side and see what you think. > > Eric Brand > > > -- When one pill of the great elixir forms in the furnace, The embryonic immortal in the room dances three leaps. The four signs and five energies all combine harmoniously, The nine-restoration and seven-reversion complete the work cycle. The radiant form of the moon appears from the hut, The shining light illumines the universe. " The Book of Balance and Harmony " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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