Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at 5:1 extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in acute cases or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this dosing range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. curious what others are doing. k -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Kath, Here is a very nice essay by Eric Brand titled " Global trends in concentrated extract " that may help you. Part 1 http://www.bluepoppy.com/cfwebstorefb/index.cfm?fuseaction=feature.display & featu\ re_id=1633 part 2 http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/02/06/part-two-korean-extract\ ion-trends Joey Bedrosian LMBT (NC#3259) Advanced Massage Therapy 704-578-6245 nrgcreator live long & love strong --- On Tue, 8/11/09, wrote: granule herb dosing " PCOM Alumni " <alumni Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:16 AM wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at 5:1 extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in acute cases or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this dosing range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. curious what others are doing. k -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I routinely prescribe granule formulas in the 30 - 36 g/day range. The lowest dose I give is 12 g/day. - Bill Schoenbart Chinese Medicine , " " wrote: > > wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? > > raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at 5:1 > extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. > > i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in acute cases > or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this dosing > range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. > > curious what others are doing. > > k > > -- > Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Kath, This is the reason that I decided not to use granules, but instead to make my own concentrated herbal extracts in my office. I wanted to be able to knowledgeably dose the same as I had been trained to do with raw herbs, but in an easy to administer medium. Dave David Toone, L.Ac. Health without Drugs or Surgery 105 Tivoli Gardens Peachtree City, GA 30269 770.780.9608 info www.davidtoone.com On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:16 AM, wrote: > wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? > > raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at > 5:1 > extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. > > i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in > acute cases > or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this > dosing > range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. > > curious what others are doing. > > k > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Evergreen recommends 6 gr for the average adult, which is what I go by, but lately I have been wondering if it is enough. I do alot of Autism and ADD/ADHD and in the Flaws psych book he recommends much larger doses and specifically talks about increasing even more when you use granules. It gets so expensive though when the herbs are preformulated granules that I hate to recommend higher unless necessary when using those. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Toone <davidetoone wrote: > > > Kath, > > This is the reason that I decided not to use granules, but instead to > make my own concentrated herbal extracts in my office. I wanted to be > able to knowledgeably dose the same as I had been trained to do with > raw herbs, but in an easy to administer medium. > > Dave > > David Toone, L.Ac. > Health without Drugs or Surgery > 105 Tivoli Gardens > Peachtree City, GA 30269 > 770.780.9608 > info <info%40davidtoone.com> > www.davidtoone.com > > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > > wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? > > > > raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at > > 5:1 > > extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. > > > > i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in > > acute cases > > or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this > > dosing > > range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. > > > > curious what others are doing. > > > > k > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com <http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/> > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com <http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Dave, How do you make these extracts, could you share your methods? -Jason Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of David Toone Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:28 AM Chinese Medicine Re: granule herb dosing Kath, This is the reason that I decided not to use granules, but instead to make my own concentrated herbal extracts in my office. I wanted to be able to knowledgeably dose the same as I had been trained to do with raw herbs, but in an easy to administer medium. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 For information on granule dosing, you might want to see an article I wrote on the Blue Poppy Blog. http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/07/29/dosage-in-granule-presc\ riptions Best wishes, Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 julie: i'm guessing that evergreen is suggesting 6g because a lot of practitioners who use their products don't have herbal training. so to CYA they are rec a low dose. k On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam2wrote: > > > Evergreen recommends 6 gr for the average adult, which is what I go by, but > lately I have been wondering if it is enough. I do alot of Autism and > ADD/ADHD and in the Flaws psych book he recommends much larger doses and > specifically talks about increasing even more when you use granules. It > gets so expensive though when the herbs are preformulated granules that I > hate to recommend higher unless necessary when using those. > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Toone <davidetoone<davidetoone%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Kath, > > > > This is the reason that I decided not to use granules, but instead to > > make my own concentrated herbal extracts in my office. I wanted to be > > able to knowledgeably dose the same as I had been trained to do with > > raw herbs, but in an easy to administer medium. > > > > Dave > > > > David Toone, L.Ac. > > Health without Drugs or Surgery > > 105 Tivoli Gardens > > Peachtree City, GA 30269 > > 770.780.9608 > > info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com> > > www.davidtoone.com > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > > > > wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? > > > > > > raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at > > > 5:1 > > > extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. > > > > > > i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in > > > acute cases > > > or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this > > > dosing > > > range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. > > > > > > curious what others are doing. > > > > > > k > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com <http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/> > > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > > > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com <http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 eric: this is helpful. i've have not been able to find bai mu er (white wood ear) in granulated form. any ideas as to why? is there an extraction issue? k On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Eric Brand <smilinglotus wrote: > > > For information on granule dosing, you might want to see an article I wrote > on the Blue Poppy Blog. > > > http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/07/29/dosage-in-granule-presc\ riptions > > Best wishes, > Eric Brand > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I can't believe I have been using granules all these years and didn't know this!!! I am so thankful for your post Kath - can't wait to play around On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:43 AM, wrote: > > > julie: > > i'm guessing that evergreen is suggesting 6g because a lot of practitioners > who use their products don't have herbal training. so to CYA they are rec a > low dose. > > k > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam2<cariadanam2%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > Evergreen recommends 6 gr for the average adult, which is what I go by, > but > > lately I have been wondering if it is enough. I do alot of Autism and > > ADD/ADHD and in the Flaws psych book he recommends much larger doses and > > specifically talks about increasing even more when you use granules. It > > gets so expensive though when the herbs are preformulated granules that I > > hate to recommend higher unless necessary when using those. > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Toone <davidetoone<davidetoone%40gmail.com> > <davidetoone%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kath, > > > > > > This is the reason that I decided not to use granules, but instead to > > > make my own concentrated herbal extracts in my office. I wanted to be > > > able to knowledgeably dose the same as I had been trained to do with > > > raw herbs, but in an easy to administer medium. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > David Toone, L.Ac. > > > Health without Drugs or Surgery > > > 105 Tivoli Gardens > > > Peachtree City, GA 30269 > > > 770.780.9608 > > > info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com> > <info%40davidtoone.com> > > > www.davidtoone.com > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? > > > > > > > > raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. at > > > > 5:1 > > > > extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. > > > > > > > > i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in > > > > acute cases > > > > or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this > > > > dosing > > > > range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. > > > > > > > > curious what others are doing. > > > > > > > > k > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com <http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/>< > http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/> > > > > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > > > > > > > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com <http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/>< > http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 have fun! i've been pleased with results of 12g/day. i'll go lower, 9g, for small formulas, maintenance, seniors & peds. i use up to 16g for acute cases and obesity. based on what i've learned, there are those using 12-18g and even 18-30g, so i'm encouraged to go higher for acute cases, obesity and slow responders. kath On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam2wrote: > > > I can't believe I have been using granules all these years and didn't know > this!!! I am so thankful for your post Kath - can't wait to play around > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:43 AM, > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > julie: > > > > i'm guessing that evergreen is suggesting 6g because a lot of > practitioners > > who use their products don't have herbal training. so to CYA they are rec > a > > low dose. > > > > k > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Julie Ormonde <cariadanam2<cariadanam2%40gmail.com> > <cariadanam2%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evergreen recommends 6 gr for the average adult, which is what I go by, > > but > > > lately I have been wondering if it is enough. I do alot of Autism and > > > ADD/ADHD and in the Flaws psych book he recommends much larger doses > and > > > specifically talks about increasing even more when you use granules. It > > > gets so expensive though when the herbs are preformulated granules that > I > > > hate to recommend higher unless necessary when using those. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Toone <davidetoone<davidetoone%40gmail.com> > <davidetoone%40gmail.com> > > <davidetoone%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kath, > > > > > > > > This is the reason that I decided not to use granules, but instead to > > > > make my own concentrated herbal extracts in my office. I wanted to be > > > > able to knowledgeably dose the same as I had been trained to do with > > > > raw herbs, but in an easy to administer medium. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > David Toone, L.Ac. > > > > Health without Drugs or Surgery > > > > 105 Tivoli Gardens > > > > Peachtree City, GA 30269 > > > > 770.780.9608 > > > > info <info%40davidtoone.com> <info%40davidtoone.com> > <info%40davidtoone.com> > > > <info%40davidtoone.com> > > > > www.davidtoone.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > wondering what folks are doing in terms of granule herb dosing? > > > > > > > > > > raw herbs doses are usually 150g/day for an average sized person. > at > > > > > 5:1 > > > > > extract, that would be 30g/day in gran, which seems way high to me. > > > > > > > > > > i've been dosing 12g/d, and have recently increased to 16g/d in > > > > > acute cases > > > > > or with heavier people. i've gotten satisfactory results in this > > > > > dosing > > > > > range, which i suppose is the ultimate guideline. > > > > > > > > > > curious what others are doing. > > > > > > > > > > k > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > > > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com <http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/ > >< > > http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/> > > > > > > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > > > > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > > > > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > > > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com <http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/ > >< > > http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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