bloodletting & cupping for insect bites

[Guest guest]

i'm researching tx for a patient coming tomorrow for a brn recluse spider

bite. bite happened a week+ ago. doc put her on AB. she's reporting

arthralgias and worsening necrotic, blk tissue at the bite site. (haven't

seen her yet: this is info from our initial phone conversation today).

 

some of the derm books i'm referencing are suggesting bloodletting and

cupping, which i'm inclined to do.

 

any comments about this approach?

 

k

 

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Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

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product=5554 & pg=

 

 

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kbartlett

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[Guest guest]

Wouldn't bleeding cupping be more effective sooner after the bite, to draw

out venom?

 

 

 

 

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" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:35 PM

bloodletting & cupping for insect bites

 

 

> i'm researching tx for a patient coming tomorrow for a brn recluse spider

> bite. bite happened a week+ ago. doc put her on AB. she's reporting

> arthralgias and worsening necrotic, blk tissue at the bite site. (haven't

> seen her yet: this is info from our initial phone conversation today).

>

> some of the derm books i'm referencing are suggesting bloodletting and

> cupping, which i'm inclined to do.

>

> any comments about this approach?

>

> k

>

> --

> Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi. Yes that's fine. In an acute venomous attack, the idea is to cut and draw

the venom out. Now, you are dealing with the dead blood and tissue, causing pain

and swollen dark patches.

 Plum blossom and cupping, draw it out. Wrap with coptis and astragalus and

other natural poltices such as crushed purple and white root vegatles. And as I

think it was Alon who said, follow with tx according to signs and symptoms.

 

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, wrote:

 

 

bloodletting & cupping for insect bites

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm researching tx for a patient coming tomorrow for a brn

recluse spider

 

bite. bite happened a week+ ago. doc put her on AB. she's reporting

 

arthralgias and worsening necrotic, blk tissue at the bite site. (haven't

 

seen her yet: this is info from our initial phone conversation today).

 

 

 

some of the derm books i'm referencing are suggesting bloodletting and

 

cupping, which i'm inclined to do.

 

 

 

any comments about this approach?

 

 

 

k

 

 

 

--

 

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

 

Oriental Medicine

 

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

Available at Asheville Center for :

 

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

 

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

 

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

 

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

 

 

Asheville Center For

 

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi. I also have seen and tried this: native people take a spark plug wire from a

car or another internal combustion engine, like a lawn mower or tractor, turn

the engine, and let the spark ground, arc, on the bite area. Very effective in

recent venomous attacks.

 If days pass then the venom is too diffuse so bleed and medicate herbally.

 

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, wrote:

 

 

bloodletting & cupping for insect bites

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm researching tx for a patient coming tomorrow for a brn

recluse spider

 

bite. bite happened a week+ ago. doc put her on AB. she's reporting

 

arthralgias and worsening necrotic, blk tissue at the bite site. (haven't

 

seen her yet: this is info from our initial phone conversation today).

 

 

 

some of the derm books i'm referencing are suggesting bloodletting and

 

cupping, which i'm inclined to do.

 

 

 

any comments about this approach?

 

 

 

k

 

 

 

--

 

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

 

Oriental Medicine

 

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

Available at Asheville Center for :

 

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

 

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

 

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

 

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

 

 

Asheville Center For

 

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The characteristics of this electricity is 20-40kvDC @ .2A, delivered in

milliseconds. Kicks it.

 

Hi. I also have seen and tried this: native people take a spark plug wire from a

car or another internal combustion engine, like a lawn mower or tractor, turn

the engine, and let the spark ground, arc, on the bite area. Very effective in

recent venomous attacks.

 If days pass then the venom is too diffuse so bleed and medicate herbally.

 

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, wrote:

 

 

bloodletting & cupping for insect bites

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm researching tx for a patient coming tomorrow for a brn

recluse spider

 

bite. bite happened a week+ ago. doc put her on AB. she's reporting

 

arthralgias and worsening necrotic, blk tissue at the bite site. (haven't

 

seen her yet: this is info from our initial phone conversation today).

 

 

 

some of the derm books i'm referencing are suggesting bloodletting and

 

cupping, which i'm inclined to do.

 

 

 

any comments about this approach?

 

 

 

k

 

 

 

--

 

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

 

Oriental Medicine

 

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

Available at Asheville Center for :

 

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

 

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

 

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

 

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

 

 

Asheville Center For

 

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

someone sent a link to an md's site who is doing electric shock therapy on

bites. i thought it was a radical approach. perhaps this is where the idea

germinated from.

 

kath

 

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:35 PM, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi. I also have seen and tried this: native people take a spark plug wire

> from a car or another internal combustion engine, like a lawn mower or

> tractor, turn the engine, and let the spark ground, arc, on the bite area.

> Very effective in recent venomous attacks.

> If days pass then the venom is too diffuse so bleed and medicate herbally.

>

>

> --- On Thu, 7/30/09,

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> bloodletting & cupping for insect bites

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> >

> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

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> >

> Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:35 PM

>

>

>

> i'm researching tx for a patient coming tomorrow for a brn recluse spider

>

> bite. bite happened a week+ ago. doc put her on AB. she's reporting

>

> arthralgias and worsening necrotic, blk tissue at the bite site. (haven't

>

> seen her yet: this is info from our initial phone conversation today).

>

> some of the derm books i'm referencing are suggesting bloodletting and

>

> cupping, which i'm inclined to do.

>

> any comments about this approach?

>

> k

>

> --

>

>

>

> Oriental Medicine

>

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>

> Available at Asheville Center for :

>

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

>

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

>

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

>

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>