Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Re: TCM tx strategies: cutaneoous lymphoma? Posted by: " mike Bowser " naturaldoc1 mkbwsr Thu Jun 4, 2009 12:49 pm ((PDT)) Kath I think from your patients reaction she is very scared. I am not a US acupuncturist, however I assume that all the forms need to be signed to cover you. Probably for your patient every form, test result, and meeting with a medic, will bring up fear of her illness. If you come from this understanding with her then you will be half way to getting the rapport you are going to need to see her through this difficult journey she is will to have to take. I have treated a number of patients with various forms of malignancies and the one thing that is common to all of them is the fear and obsession that is built up by the diagnosis and prognosis which has necessarily had to be given to them by their doctors. This in itself sets them on course to just accepting the diagnosed outcome of the disease, and is likely to lead them on the road to giving up and taking whatever is dished out to them. Your patient needs help on this level too. I have found two simple treatment from 5 Element acupuncture helps enormously with this. The first is what they call EDs and if necessary IDs, and secondly the AE drain,. I have seen some remarkable changes in my patients with cancer. Even if its just being able to live life without being in total fear. Especially in those that are truly willing to fight the disease by checking out for themselves , and carrying out ways to get themselves healthy. I know I may be shot down in flames , but we may be talking about someone's life so I have risked saying this. If you have a 5 Element practitioner around ask them about the diagnostic skills required and how to do these treatments. They have been genuine life savers in several of my patients who are still around today. Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I have also seen several cases where the MD said you will die from this, this is terminal, and they went from pretty darn healthy to gone in months, and thier spirit led. Not to say this isn't sometimes experiential wisdom, but for some, a little encouragement can give the boost to overcome. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN wrote: Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN Re: Digest Number 3084 Chinese Medicine Friday, June 5, 2009, 1:49 PM Re: TCM tx strategies: cutaneoous lymphoma? Posted by: " mike Bowser " naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com mkbwsr Thu Jun 4, 2009 12:49 pm ((PDT)) Kath I think from your patients reaction she is very scared. I am not a US acupuncturist, however I assume that all the forms need to be signed to cover you. Probably for your patient every form, test result, and meeting with a medic, will bring up fear of her illness. If you come from this understanding with her then you will be half way to getting the rapport you are going to need to see her through this difficult journey she is will to have to take. I have treated a number of patients with various forms of malignancies and the one thing that is common to all of them is the fear and obsession that is built up by the diagnosis and prognosis which has necessarily had to be given to them by their doctors. This in itself sets them on course to just accepting the diagnosed outcome of the disease, and is likely to lead them on the road to giving up and taking whatever is dished out to them. Your patient needs help on this level too. I have found two simple treatment from 5 Element acupuncture helps enormously with this. The first is what they call EDs and if necessary IDs, and secondly the AE drain,. I have seen some remarkable changes in my patients with cancer. Even if its just being able to live life without being in total fear. Especially in those that are truly willing to fight the disease by checking out for themselves , and carrying out ways to get themselves healthy. I know I may be shot down in flames , but we may be talking about someone's life so I have risked saying this. If you have a 5 Element practitioner around ask them about the diagnostic skills required and how to do these treatments. They have been genuine life savers in several of my patients who are still around today. Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I would like to ask that we not alter posts without mentioning it. My name appears on one of the ones below yet I failed to write it. It would be a lot easier to respond when we know who said what. Thanks in advance. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc This email message is intended only for the personal use of the above named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, copy or forward this email message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately via email or phone and delete the message accordingly. Chinese Medicine ykcul_ritsym Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:19:10 -0700 Re: Digest Number 3084 I have also seen several cases where the MD said you will die from this, this is terminal, and they went from pretty darn healthy to gone in months, and thier spirit led. Not to say this isn't sometimes experiential wisdom, but for some, a little encouragement can give the boost to overcome. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN wrote: Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN Re: Digest Number 3084 Chinese Medicine Friday, June 5, 2009, 1:49 PM Re: TCM tx strategies: cutaneoous lymphoma? Posted by: " mike Bowser " naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com mkbwsr Thu Jun 4, 2009 12:49 pm ((PDT)) Kath I think from your patients reaction she is very scared. I am not a US acupuncturist, however I assume that all the forms need to be signed to cover you. Probably for your patient every form, test result, and meeting with a medic, will bring up fear of her illness. If you come from this understanding with her then you will be half way to getting the rapport you are going to need to see her through this difficult journey she is will to have to take. I have treated a number of patients with various forms of malignancies and the one thing that is common to all of them is the fear and obsession that is built up by the diagnosis and prognosis which has necessarily had to be given to them by their doctors. This in itself sets them on course to just accepting the diagnosed outcome of the disease, and is likely to lead them on the road to giving up and taking whatever is dished out to them. Your patient needs help on this level too. I have found two simple treatment from 5 Element acupuncture helps enormously with this. The first is what they call EDs and if necessary IDs, and secondly the AE drain,. I have seen some remarkable changes in my patients with cancer. Even if its just being able to live life without being in total fear. Especially in those that are truly willing to fight the disease by checking out for themselves , and carrying out ways to get themselves healthy. I know I may be shot down in flames , but we may be talking about someone's life so I have risked saying this. If you have a 5 Element practitioner around ask them about the diagnostic skills required and how to do these treatments. They have been genuine life savers in several of my patients who are still around today. Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Hi. Mike, if I said or misrepresented you in any way, I apologize. Please if what you said concerns me, contact me. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 RE: Digest Number 3084 Chinese Traditional Medicine Friday, June 5, 2009, 10:21 PM I would like to ask that we not alter posts without mentioning it. My name appears on one of the ones below yet I failed to write it. It would be a lot easier to respond when we know who said what. Thanks in advance. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc This email message is intended only for the personal use of the above named recipient(s) . If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, copy or forward this email message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately via email or phone and delete the message accordingly. ykcul_ritsym@ Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:19:10 -0700 Re: Digest Number 3084 I have also seen several cases where the MD said you will die from this, this is terminal, and they went from pretty darn healthy to gone in months, and thier spirit led. Not to say this isn't sometimes experiential wisdom, but for some, a little encouragement can give the boost to overcome. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN (AT) HOTMAIL (DOT) COM> wrote: Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN (AT) HOTMAIL (DOT) COM> Re: Digest Number 3084 Friday, June 5, 2009, 1:49 PM Re: TCM tx strategies: cutaneoous lymphoma? Posted by: " mike Bowser " naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com mkbwsr Thu Jun 4, 2009 12:49 pm ((PDT)) Kath I think from your patients reaction she is very scared. I am not a US acupuncturist, however I assume that all the forms need to be signed to cover you. Probably for your patient every form, test result, and meeting with a medic, will bring up fear of her illness. If you come from this understanding with her then you will be half way to getting the rapport you are going to need to see her through this difficult journey she is will to have to take. I have treated a number of patients with various forms of malignancies and the one thing that is common to all of them is the fear and obsession that is built up by the diagnosis and prognosis which has necessarily had to be given to them by their doctors. This in itself sets them on course to just accepting the diagnosed outcome of the disease, and is likely to lead them on the road to giving up and taking whatever is dished out to them. Your patient needs help on this level too. I have found two simple treatment from 5 Element acupuncture helps enormously with this. The first is what they call EDs and if necessary IDs, and secondly the AE drain,. I have seen some remarkable changes in my patients with cancer. Even if its just being able to live life without being in total fear. Especially in those that are truly willing to fight the disease by checking out for themselves , and carrying out ways to get themselves healthy. I know I may be shot down in flames , but we may be talking about someone's life so I have risked saying this. If you have a 5 Element practitioner around ask them about the diagnostic skills required and how to do these treatments. They have been genuine life savers in several of my patients who are still around today. Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Mystir, I am unsure who chopped up the email response below but I found my name in it suggesting that I posted some of it. As I had not, I am only asking that we do a better job of condensing posts and removal of those parts that are inaccurate. I am sure that no one wants to be taken out of context or accused of saying something that they did not. Thanks for your understanding. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine ykcul_ritsym Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:58:59 -0700 RE: Digest Number 3084 Hi. Mike, if I said or misrepresented you in any way, I apologize. Please if what you said concerns me, contact me. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 RE: Digest Number 3084 Chinese Traditional Medicine Friday, June 5, 2009, 10:21 PM I would like to ask that we not alter posts without mentioning it. My name appears on one of the ones below yet I failed to write it. It would be a lot easier to respond when we know who said what. Thanks in advance. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc This email message is intended only for the personal use of the above named recipient(s) . If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, copy or forward this email message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately via email or phone and delete the message accordingly. ykcul_ritsym@ Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:19:10 -0700 Re: Digest Number 3084 I have also seen several cases where the MD said you will die from this, this is terminal, and they went from pretty darn healthy to gone in months, and thier spirit led. Not to say this isn't sometimes experiential wisdom, but for some, a little encouragement can give the boost to overcome. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN (AT) HOTMAIL (DOT) COM> wrote: Mcmurtrie-Watson <HENCALIBAN (AT) HOTMAIL (DOT) COM> Re: Digest Number 3084 Friday, June 5, 2009, 1:49 PM Re: TCM tx strategies: cutaneoous lymphoma? Posted by: " mike Bowser " naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com mkbwsr Thu Jun 4, 2009 12:49 pm ((PDT)) Kath I think from your patients reaction she is very scared. I am not a US acupuncturist, however I assume that all the forms need to be signed to cover you. Probably for your patient every form, test result, and meeting with a medic, will bring up fear of her illness. If you come from this understanding with her then you will be half way to getting the rapport you are going to need to see her through this difficult journey she is will to have to take. I have treated a number of patients with various forms of malignancies and the one thing that is common to all of them is the fear and obsession that is built up by the diagnosis and prognosis which has necessarily had to be given to them by their doctors. This in itself sets them on course to just accepting the diagnosed outcome of the disease, and is likely to lead them on the road to giving up and taking whatever is dished out to them. Your patient needs help on this level too. I have found two simple treatment from 5 Element acupuncture helps enormously with this. The first is what they call EDs and if necessary IDs, and secondly the AE drain,. I have seen some remarkable changes in my patients with cancer. Even if its just being able to live life without being in total fear. Especially in those that are truly willing to fight the disease by checking out for themselves , and carrying out ways to get themselves healthy. I know I may be shot down in flames , but we may be talking about someone's life so I have risked saying this. If you have a 5 Element practitioner around ask them about the diagnostic skills required and how to do these treatments. They have been genuine life savers in several of my patients who are still around today. Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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