Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 just wanted to forward Read below why kids SHOULD be vaccinated.. ....this is actually evidence based! Ruti NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. ----- Forwarded by Ruth Goldenberg/CA/ KAIPERM on 06/01/2009 04:20 PM ----- KP-Office-of- the-CEO 05/29/2009 02:08 PM Please respond to KP-Office-of- the-CEO To cc Subject Celebrating Our Vaccination Research Dear KP colleagues, One of the real dilemmas of modern parenting is the decision of whether or not to have your children vaccinated. Vaccination has transformed public health. Ridding the world of epidemics from several highly contagious and deadly diseases has probably had more positive impact on the health of the general population than anything other than clean water. So getting kids vaccinated used to be a simple declaration of support for the health of your kids and the health of the entire population. It used to be a " no-brainer. " Now, it's a dilemma for quite a few parents. Why is that true? It's true because there are theories in some public settings that vaccinations might possibly have unintended negative consequences for some children. Some parents fear the mercury based preservatives that used to be used in vaccines –- but haven't been used since 2001. Those theories either aren't supported by research, or have been researched and proven to be wrong, but some people don't believe the research. Parents, as a result, are forced to weigh the potential medical risk to their child of these theoretical, unintended consequences –- with the potential risk of their child getting whatever disease they could be immunized against if they choose not to use the vaccine. For a number of reasons, a growing number of parents are choosing not to vaccinate their kids. Some of the parents who don't vaccinate their kids also believe that if just about all of the other kids in a community are vaccinated, it is much less necessary to vaccinate their own child –- because we will have a " herd immunity " to the disease based on most kids having the vaccine. Is that true? What are the risks of refusing the vaccine? No one knew. Until now. Kaiser Permanente just did some research into one of the main vaccination- prevented diseases –- whooping cough. Whooping cough is a serious and often damaging disease. It can be fatal. A growing number of parents have chosen not to have their kids vaccinated for that disease. So our researchers used our database to figure out whether those kids benefited from herd immunity or whether they were at a higher risk for the disease. It turns out, those kids are at risk. They are, in fact, 23 times more likely to get whooping cough. One in 20 unvaccinated kids gets the disease. One in 500 vaccinated kids gets the disease. So we now have actual numbers for one vaccine. We have shared those numbers with the world. More then 500 hundred media outlets around the country and around the world ran that story about our research this week. It was a lead Google News story and it led WebMD and National Public Radio this week. Associated Press, ABC News.com, Reuters, HealthDay, USA Today, MedPage Today, U.S. News & World Report and the Baltimore Sun all ran the story. Again, that story was an example of where Kaiser Permanente had enough data and enough access to data –- and a large enough patient population –- to do research that will now become part of the medical science database for the world. So this week I am celebrating our research team who hit another home run. This is information that can help parents make good and better informed choices. Thank you researchers. Be well. George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 This a complicated issue. And what increases the complexity is; the enormous financial stakes for many players, research and statistical integrity, and lack of clarity in the 'pain to gain ratio' e.g., resolution of safety issues before vaccines are mandated. I agree with the overall wisdom here, that it is not an all or none decision. http://www.NaturalN ews.com/z026359_ CDC_rotavirus_ vaccination. htmlCDC Vaccine Advisor Pockets $29 Million Promoting Vaccinesby David Gutierrez, staff writer (NaturalNews) Dr. Paul Offit of the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) received at least $29 million from his share of royalties for Merck's Rotateq vaccine after using his position with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to ensure that childhood vaccination with the vaccine became compulsory. According to a report on the Web site " Age of Autism, " a review of CHOP's royalties schedules reveals that Offit likely received between $29 million and $55 million for his work developing the Rotateq vaccine for rotavirus, which causes diarrhea in infants. Because the vaccine is jointly owned by CHOP and by the Wistar Institute but Offit is the only inventor listed on the patent from CHOP, he received 100 percent of inventor's rights payments from CHOP. " Clearly, based on the distribution of income rights outlined in [CHOP's policies], Paul Offit had a greater personal interest in Rotateq's commercial success than any other single individual in the world, " article authors Dan Olmsted and Mark Blaxill write. " And more than other individual in the world, he found himself in a position to directly influence that success. " Between 1998 and 2003, Offit sat on the U.S. government's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). His involvement with development of Rotateq began before and ended after these dates. While a member of the ACIP, Offit consistently voted in favor of making vaccination against rotavirus part of the compulsory U.S. childhood immunization schedule. He also voted to rescind recommendation of Wyeth's competing vaccine RotaShield, while aggressively advocating for the idea that other rotavirus vaccines would be less dangerous. " Unlike most other patented products, the market for mandated childhood vaccines is created not by consumer demand, but by the recommendation of an appointed body called the ACIP, " Olmsted and Blaxill write. " In a single vote, ACIP can create a commercial market for a new vaccine that is worth hundreds of millions of dollars in a matter of months. " In the case of Rotateq, its addition to the vaccine schedule led to an increase in yearly revenue of $655 million over the course of two years. Sources for this story include: www.ageofautism. com. --------- ------------------- ------------------ Research Falsification and Fabrication http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=09052937-how-many-scientists-fa\ bricate-falsify-research ---------------- ------------------ ------------- Cervical cancer is at an all time low contrary to the false hype and can be dealt with naturally with regular pap smears, holistic treatment. Parents are the last stop-gap to protect their children from harmful vaccines & related treatment. Gardasil doesn't work, it is destructive & is ruining the health of an entire generation. Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a leading MD in the war against Pharm corruption, has analyzed the vaccine and found it to contain multiple cancer triggers and Dr.Deagle, another MD specialist in the States, has identified that the recipient's brain is literally 'on fire' for 2 years after being administered the full regime of shots. READ CAREFULLY PLEASE - http://www.judicialwatch.org/gardasil http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08081405.html http://www.naturalnews.com/026293.html http://www.naturalnews.com/GoogleSearchResults.html?q=gardasil+%2B+dangers & cx=01\ 0579349100583850635%3Aw_kzwe9_yca & cof=FORID%3A11 & ie=UTF-8 & sa.x=37 & sa.y=20 & sa=Sea\ rch#1263 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/03/07/vaccine-ingredient\ s.aspx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gteHfCa_k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 If you google Kaiser they also backed the flu vaccine (evidence based??) and hopefully we all know that was a bunch of hooey --- On Tue, 6/2/09, alonmarcus2003 <alonmarcus wrote: alonmarcus2003 <alonmarcus vaccine Chinese Medicine Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:17 PM just wanted to forward Read below why kids SHOULD be vaccinated.. ....this is actually evidence based! Ruti NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. ----- Forwarded by Ruth Goldenberg/CA/ KAIPERM on 06/01/2009 04:20 PM ----- KP-Office-of- the-CEO 05/29/2009 02:08 PM Please respond to KP-Office-of- the-CEO To cc Subject Celebrating Our Vaccination Research Dear KP colleagues, One of the real dilemmas of modern parenting is the decision of whether or not to have your children vaccinated. Vaccination has transformed public health. Ridding the world of epidemics from several highly contagious and deadly diseases has probably had more positive impact on the health of the general population than anything other than clean water. So getting kids vaccinated used to be a simple declaration of support for the health of your kids and the health of the entire population. It used to be a " no-brainer. " Now, it's a dilemma for quite a few parents. Why is that true? It's true because there are theories in some public settings that vaccinations might possibly have unintended negative consequences for some children. Some parents fear the mercury based preservatives that used to be used in vaccines –- but haven't been used since 2001. Those theories either aren't supported by research, or have been researched and proven to be wrong, but some people don't believe the research. Parents, as a result, are forced to weigh the potential medical risk to their child of these theoretical, unintended consequences –- with the potential risk of their child getting whatever disease they could be immunized against if they choose not to use the vaccine. For a number of reasons, a growing number of parents are choosing not to vaccinate their kids. Some of the parents who don't vaccinate their kids also believe that if just about all of the other kids in a community are vaccinated, it is much less necessary to vaccinate their own child –- because we will have a " herd immunity " to the disease based on most kids having the vaccine. Is that true? What are the risks of refusing the vaccine? No one knew. Until now. Kaiser Permanente just did some research into one of the main vaccination- prevented diseases –- whooping cough. Whooping cough is a serious and often damaging disease. It can be fatal. A growing number of parents have chosen not to have their kids vaccinated for that disease. So our researchers used our database to figure out whether those kids benefited from herd immunity or whether they were at a higher risk for the disease. It turns out, those kids are at risk. They are, in fact, 23 times more likely to get whooping cough. One in 20 unvaccinated kids gets the disease. One in 500 vaccinated kids gets the disease. So we now have actual numbers for one vaccine. We have shared those numbers with the world. More then 500 hundred media outlets around the country and around the world ran that story about our research this week. It was a lead Google News story and it led WebMD and National Public Radio this week. Associated Press, ABC News.com, Reuters, HealthDay, USA Today, MedPage Today, U.S. News & World Report and the Baltimore Sun all ran the story. Again, that story was an example of where Kaiser Permanente had enough data and enough access to data –- and a large enough patient population –- to do research that will now become part of the medical science database for the world. So this week I am celebrating our research team who hit another home run. This is information that can help parents make good and better informed choices. Thank you researchers. Be well. George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Kaiser does not have any financial benefit from supporting vaccinations except as preventative health. They have no connections to drug companies and as a matter of fact they do not allow them to support any kaiser function and even having their raps talk to Drs 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Just a few ref for flue vaccine. Only if life was so simple http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2007 & issue=02000 & arti\ cle=00002 & type=abstract http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-4DPGSWX-1 & _user=1\ 0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\ ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=6c1850b3f330a19d221880b09d785297 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-4F1S983-2 & _user=1\ 0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\ ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=737a4181f2397c0044fef7c6959d267a http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/123/7/518 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/331/12/778 http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=1273527 http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2006 & issue=10000 & arti\ cle=00004 & type=abstract http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/10/908 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/6/2298 http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=3655838 http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/284/13/1677 http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/8/625 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/333/14/889 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/502146 http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/131/6/430 http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/284/13/1655 http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673605673394 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/338/20/1405 http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/136/3/296 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-462BM67-R & _user=1\ 0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\ ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=3ba3480a9b764066c96b5a3a42ecef1d http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/341028 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/315820 http://www.joem.org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199705000-00006.htm;jsessionid=\ KlJTG83vgQ1nV1PcGQvLBH9Kx2YNGqXTnL2SqCz9ZnCN8PnHxhyJ!-1260103914!181195628!8091!\ -1 http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2006 & issue=10000 & arti\ cle=00003 & type=abstract 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 The Mother earth News has a nice consie statement from the Union of Concerned Scientists, one that mirrors the work of Dr. Marc Girard's paper in his Editorial " reformatting Hippocrates Principles " and one that shadows the race of the FDA and other governmental scientists to reach Omaba's transition team before he even took over.....about corruption, conflict of interest and the loss of integrity in science.especially around vaccine research, i have seen this be a problem throughout the past 100 years, FOLLOW THE MONEY. When no one is even allowed to print or publish negative results I would hardly say we have a clue as to the depth of vaccine damage. I can kinda guess when the CDC pays out 190 million to hide the results of its own researchers from the freedom of information Act and then sends that scientist to a " cushy job in Belgium " with GlaxoSmithKline to avoid being questioned and wen the vaccine manufacurers will not make vaccines without full indemnification and then when the government makes the fund for vaccine damage even if your able to make it through those courts the settlements paid out by the very backs of the taxpayers whom the vaccine damage is made compulsary.........there are no " safe " vaccines, they wouldn't know as they have genetically mutated the genomes of two centuries of human and animals, the very gentic mutations the vaccines made are now used against the familys as " why their child developed autism spectrum disorder " . My sister is a teacher and she is overwhelmed with the numbers now of brain damaged children, brain damaged and behavioral problems from the national compulsary childhood vaccine programs that puts lots and lots and lots of monies into pockets of those who peddle their wares. If the governemnt were not the main supporter of the vaccine program, it wouldn't exist but then they will do anything possible to keep it, for it is the Dept of Defense cover for developing biological warfare. Some of the US that goes and gets the jab for swine flu will be getting Novartis special suace of MF 59 which is squalene and then it just won't be teh soldiers we experimented on with anthrax and bird flu vaccines that will develop serious autoimmune diseases as a result. They are already doing experimentation with san Diego navy Personnel slated to get Vical's swine flu vaccine.........and remember they all have FULL INDEMNIFICATION for vaccine damage some which will not manifest for several years following the jab. VACCINATION IS EXPERIMENTATION UNDER THE GUISE OF HELTH CARE DELIVERY.......if it were not compulsary, people in their right minds and educated would not ever get it, so to keep their process going, they deal instead with teh very resoning that an informed person would say is worth no such risk. read Eddy West or Dr. Viera Schneibers work on just the adjuvants in vaccines. If you decide to hold out your arm that is your choice but sentencing the rest of the population is medical tyrrany and I see the superstition, the real path is WHERE THE MONEY FLOWS and who has what locked away for that moment in time they wish to alter .......lets say the population of a planet. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine alonmarcus Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:12 -0700 Re: vaccine Just a few ref for flue vaccine. Only if life was so simple http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2007 & issue=02000 & arti\ cle=00002 & type=abstract http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-4DPGSWX-1 & _user=1\ 0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\ ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=6c1850b3f330a19d221880b09d785297 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-4F1S983-2 & _user=1\ 0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\ ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=737a4181f2397c0044fef7c6959d267a http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/123/7/518 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/331/12/778 http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=1273527 http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2006 & issue=10000 & arti\ cle=00004 & type=abstract http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/10/908 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/6/2298 http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=3655838 http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/284/13/1677 http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/8/625 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/333/14/889 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/502146 http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/131/6/430 http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/284/13/1655 http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673605673394 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/338/20/1405 http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/136/3/296 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6TD4-462BM67-R & _user=1\ 0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\ ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=3ba3480a9b764066c96b5a3a42ecef1d http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/341028 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/315820 http://www.joem.org/pt/re/joem/abstract.00043764-199705000-00006.htm;jsessionid=\ KlJTG83vgQ1nV1PcGQvLBH9Kx2YNGqXTnL2SqCz9ZnCN8PnHxhyJ!-1260103914!181195628!8091!\ -1 http://journals.lww.com/pidj/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2006 & issue=10000 & arti\ cle=00003 & type=abstract 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Patricia, Do you have a web reference for the article " reformatting Hippocrates Principles " ? ---Roger Wicke PhD Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute website: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/ email: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ On 2009.Jun.03, at 09:17, Chinese Medicine wrote: > 5c. Re: vaccine > Posted by: " Patricia Jordan " coastalcatclinic > Wed Jun 3, 2009 8:17 am ((PDT)) > > > The Mother earth News has a nice consie statement from the Union of > Concerned Scientists, one that mirrors the work of Dr. Marc Girard's > > paper in his Editorial " reformatting Hippocrates Principles " and one > that shadows the race of the FDA and other governmental scientists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Oh, Roger, glad you emailed. I can send you much........to your email as attachment i have his Editorial.Also, the editor of Herbalgram has a PPP he is sending me and i will send along to you about the studies done that along with the much other we both are collecting.....is more studies showing show allopathic medicine keeps the herbal alternatives out of advertising and of publication....and of interest teh country of Nigeria just hosted a large natural medicine conference as they are concerned they will be slighted the western drugs with the pandemic.........so they are bringing forth their indigenous natural cures...I will send all of this to your email. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine rw2247 Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:41:01 -0600 Re: vaccine Patricia, Do you have a web reference for the article " reformatting Hippocrates Principles " ? ---Roger Wicke PhD Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute website: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/ email: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ On 2009.Jun.03, at 09:17, Chinese Medicine wrote: > 5c. Re: vaccine > Posted by: " Patricia Jordan " coastalcatclinic > Wed Jun 3, 2009 8:17 am ((PDT)) > > > The Mother earth News has a nice consie statement from the Union of > Concerned Scientists, one that mirrors the work of Dr. Marc Girard's > > paper in his Editorial " reformatting Hippocrates Principles " and one > that shadows the race of the FDA and other governmental scientists _______________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Hi all, Why I find the vaccine discussion quite fascinating, it might be time to wrap it up, as we're moving away from the guidelines for the list. For those of us who are interested in continuing the discussion, I suggest that we move it off list. Please contact me directly, and I will put together a list of interested parties. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Alon, Just curious as to what you consider successful. Your first link claims a 36% success rate in clinical cases. That does not seem to worthwhile and cost-effective. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc _______________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_St\ orage_062009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Just for interest http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/haley.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Hi Alon, I've listened and learnt a lot from you over the years and will continue to, you have my unshakeable respect. But I don't understand the validity of your last post. It doesn't seem to have so much statistical or scientific credibility. It smells of conservative knee-jerk attack the fringe(which is really now the mainstream), and mocking inquiries of the benefits of modern medical procedures, such as mercury, calling names at people who are concerned about vaccine protocols, and have even seen young women go into comas and die 6 steps from having a Gardasil injection, seems... more akin to blind allegiance of technological superiority and the transhumanist manifesto, than an objective observation of medical trends, and holistic principles for our biosphere and its inhabitants. What was I supposed to get from that? Peace and again, respect. Fran Cahill --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: Alon Marcus <alonmarcus Re: vaccine Chinese Medicine Friday, June 5, 2009, 2:56 PM Just for interest http://www.ratbags. com/rsoles/ comment/haley. htm www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Fran it really did not mean anything i just googled this guy's name and it was the first ref i saw. Thought i would put it up. I have not researched his opinions. But it is clear that not having the mercury in the vaccines has not changed the numbers as far as autisim. I find it interesting that no-one's opinion is shaken at all by this fact. This only reinforces what i see as basic human character that is people tend to form opinions and only look for and find information that reinforces these beliefs. Its very rare to see anyone truly change their point of view on anything from politics to medicine. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Alon, Maybe you are unaware of Dr Geier's research that showed a statistical reduction in autism following the so-called stoppage of mercury usage, this was with CDC data. We must also understand that mercury has not been completely eliminated and is still used in many vaccines. We must also consider that much like other ideas, the thought of complete elimination may not be what is going on. Maybe a small amount of mercury is still retained and the product used. We simply do not know how all of this plays out. Have you considered that the issue of vaccine damage may be linked to a perfect storm of many events produced by a slew of bad science (toxic substances)? Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc This email message is intended only for the personal use of the above named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, copy or forward this email message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately via email or phone and delete the message accordingly. Chinese Medicine alonmarcus Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:16:54 +0000 Re: vaccine Fran it really did not mean anything i just googled this guy's name and it was the first ref i saw. Thought i would put it up. I have not researched his opinions. But it is clear that not having the mercury in the vaccines has not changed the numbers as far as autisim. I find it interesting that no-one's opinion is shaken at all by this fact. This only reinforces what i see as basic human character that is people tend to form opinions and only look for and find information that reinforces these beliefs. Its very rare to see anyone truly change their point of view on anything from politics to medicine. Alon _______________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Q\ uickAdd_062009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Actually, I saw the thymerisol (mercury) as a red herring, with some possibility of an effect but not nearly to the depth of effect of the immunization itself. Mercury has a long history and toxicology knowledge thread and would have been spotted at the cause much earlier had the symptomology matched. Now. The question is of intention and the intelligence behind it, and the level of paranoia one has on these issues. I always assume that those who develop public policy such as this are either not interested enough to manipulate to this level or not intelligent enough to do so. But then again, I am a hopeless optimist and there is a lot of money changing hands...... DAvid Molony On Jun 6, 2009, at 2:16:54 AM, alonmarcus2003 <alonmarcus wrote: Fran it really did not mean anything i just googled this guy's name and it was the first ref i saw. Thought i would put it up. I have not researched his opinions. But it is clear that not having the mercury in the vaccines has not changed the numbers as far as autisim. I find it interesting that no-one's opinion is shaken at all by this fact. This only reinforces what i see as basic human character that is people tend to form opinions and only look for and find information that reinforces these beliefs. Its very rare to see anyone truly change their point of view on anything from politics to medicine. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Mike I think you are making my point here. People tend to look for information that support their preconceived tendencies. I do not believe dr Geier is a reliable source of information. He is completely invested in his agenda. Is there any reason you believe his claims as compared for example the canadian study in pediatrics?, the danish studies? or the 2008 study Continuing Increases in Autism Reported to California's Developmental Services System Mercury in Retrograde Robert Schechter, MD, MSc; Judith K. Grether, PhD Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2008;65(1):19-24. Context Previous analyses of autism client data reported to the California Department of Developmental Services (DDS) have been interpreted as supporting the hypothesis that autism is caused by exposure to the preservative thimerosal, which contains ethylmercury. The exclusion of thimerosal from childhood vaccines in the United States was accelerated from 1999 to 2001. The Immunization Safety Review Committee of the Institute of Medicine has recommended surveillance of trends in autism as exposure to thimerosal during early childhood has decreased. Objective To determine whether trends in DDS autism client data support the hypothesis that thimerosal exposure is a primary cause of autism. Design, Setting, and Patients Study of time trends in the prevalence by age and birth cohort of children with autism who were active status clients of the DDS from January 1, 1995, through March 31, 2007. Main Outcome Measure Prevalence of autism among children with active status in the DDS. Results The estimated prevalence of autism for children at each year of age from 3 to 12 years increased throughout the study period. The estimated prevalence of DDS clients aged 3 to 5 years with autism increased for each quarter from January 1995 through March 2007. Since 2004, the absolute increase and the rate of increase in DDS clients aged 3 to 5 years with autism were higher than those in DDS clients of the same ages with any eligible condition including autism. Conclusions The DDS data do not show any recent decrease in autism in California despite the exclusion of more than trace levels of thimerosal from nearly all childhood vaccines. The DDS data do not support the hypothesis that exposure to thimerosal during childhood is a primary cause of autism. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Mike Lets not forget its a global discussion not just us. That is why i gave the three examples i did. I understand he also claimed he can cure the autism with lupran which turned out to be totally false. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I agree. While the use of mercury in vaccines is a problem, the overstimulation of the immune system by multiple vaccines given to especially small children I think is the primary issue of concern here. On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:13 AM, acuman1 wrote: > Actually, I saw the thymerisol (mercury) as a red herring, with some > possibility of an effect but not nearly to the depth of effect of > the immunization itself. Mercury has a long history and toxicology > knowledge thread and would have been spotted at the cause much > earlier had the symptomology matched. Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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