Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy headed, no energy. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on his website: drtanshow.com hope this helps, k On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan wrote: > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > headed, no energy. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. > Karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Karen: There are 2 special points of Master Tong's called Fen Zhi Shang and Fen Zhi Xia (DT.01 and DT.02). They are indicated for rabies, centipede, scorpian bite, diabetes and almost any type of poisoning or detoxification. It is said that one should bleed these points instead of needling. However, I needle these with good results. Hope this helps. Dr. Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine acukath Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:00 -0400 Re: sorry quick quick i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on his website: drtanshow.com hope this helps, k On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan wrote: > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > headed, no energy. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. > Karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hi Kath - the Dr Tan idea is very interesting. I've read the book, but had trouble really understanding it - must take a course. So why these points? It's been a while; are they the standard protocol, or do they have another rationale? k Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back ________________________________ " " Chinese Medicine Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:51:00 AM Re: sorry quick quick i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on his website: drtanshow.com hope this helps, k On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan > wrote: > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > headed, no energy. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. > Karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hi Don - I'm not familiar with this. Where are the points? Is there theory to accompany the selection? thanks Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back ________________________________ Donald Snow <don83407 Chinese Traditional Medicine Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:18:17 AM RE: sorry quick quick Dear Karen: There are 2 special points of Master Tong's called Fen Zhi Shang and Fen Zhi Xia (DT.01 and DT.02). They are indicated for rabies, centipede, scorpian bite, diabetes and almost any type of poisoning or detoxification. It is said that one should bleed these points instead of needling. However, I needle these with good results. Hope this helps. Dr. Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:00 -0400 Re: sorry quick quick i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on his website: drtanshow.com hope this helps, k On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan > wrote: > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > headed, no energy. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. > Karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Mater Tong's acupucture is " true " acupuncture in the sense that it isn't TCM Herbalized acupuncture. It utilizes meridian diagnostics, holographic theory, etc. Dr. Richard Tan's acupuncture is essentially Master Tong's, whose theory Dr. Tan borrows heavily. You may locate these points like this: DT.01 is 1 cun longitudinally inferior to the acromion process of the shoulder, just below the inferior edge of the superior lateral angle of the scapula. According to Tong's theory, it is the reaction area of the endocrine glands. Depending on the patient's size, you may needle 1-1.5 cun deep. DT.02 is longitudinally 1.5 cun inferior and 5 fen medial to DT.01. Needle 5 fen to 1 cun deep. You may cup over the needles. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow Chinese Medicine turusachan Thu, 28 May 2009 07:35:34 -0700 Re: sorry quick quick Hi Don - I'm not familiar with this. Where are the points? Is there theory to accompany the selection? thanks Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back ________________________________ Donald Snow <don83407 Chinese Traditional Medicine Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:18:17 AM RE: sorry quick quick Dear Karen: There are 2 special points of Master Tong's called Fen Zhi Shang and Fen Zhi Xia (DT.01 and DT.02). They are indicated for rabies, centipede, scorpian bite, diabetes and almost any type of poisoning or detoxification. It is said that one should bleed these points instead of needling. However, I needle these with good results. Hope this helps. Dr. Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:00 -0400 Re: sorry quick quick i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on his website: drtanshow.com hope this helps, k On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan > wrote: > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > headed, no energy. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. > Karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Thank you, Don. Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back ________________________________ Donald Snow <don83407 Chinese Traditional Medicine Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:50:09 AM RE: sorry quick quick Mater Tong's acupucture is " true " acupuncture in the sense that it isn't TCM Herbalized acupuncture. It utilizes meridian diagnostics, holographic theory, etc. Dr. Richard Tan's acupuncture is essentially Master Tong's, whose theory Dr. Tan borrows heavily. You may locate these points like this: DT.01 is 1 cun longitudinally inferior to the acromion process of the shoulder, just below the inferior edge of the superior lateral angle of the scapula. According to Tong's theory, it is the reaction area of the endocrine glands. Depending on the patient's size, you may needle 1-1.5 cun deep. DT.02 is longitudinally 1.5 cun inferior and 5 fen medial to DT.01. Needle 5 fen to 1 cun deep. You may cup over the needles. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow turusachan Thu, 28 May 2009 07:35:34 -0700 Re: sorry quick quick Hi Don - I'm not familiar with this. Where are the points? Is there theory to accompany the selection? thanks Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back ____________ _________ _________ __ Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> traditional_ chinese_medicine Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:18:17 AM RE: sorry quick quick Dear Karen: There are 2 special points of Master Tong's called Fen Zhi Shang and Fen Zhi Xia (DT.01 and DT.02). They are indicated for rabies, centipede, scorpian bite, diabetes and almost any type of poisoning or detoxification. It is said that one should bleed these points instead of needling. However, I needle these with good results. Hope this helps. Dr. Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:00 -0400 Re: sorry quick quick i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on his website: drtanshow.com hope this helps, k On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan> wrote: > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient of > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies injections. > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go back > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for children. > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if needed. > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > headed, no energy. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this afternoon. > Karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath. blogspot. com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 the 12 magic point theory is explained in the book. you do have to work with it, take his seminars to really grasp is. basically it's balancing all meridian, using the antique points, beginning with hesea and ending with jing well. you alt yin and yg meridians, so that all 12 are used and yn/yg is balanced. results are amazing. there's lots of ways to arrange the points, i gave a basic protocol, but you can get more sophisticated with it as you get familiar with the system. the book helps to understand it. kath On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Karen Adams <turusachan wrote: > > > Hi Kath - the Dr Tan idea is very interesting. I've read the book, but had > trouble really understanding it - must take a course. So why these points? > It's been a while; are they the standard protocol, or do they have another > rationale? > > k > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > Do or do not. > There is no try. > > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > ________________________________ > " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:51:00 AM > Re: sorry quick quick > > i'd do dr tan 12 magic points. it balances all meridians and all systems. > > lu5, p3, ht3, st45, gb44? (jing well) ub 67 > > sj6, li5, si5 sp2, liv2, k2 > > there's lots of ways to arrange 12 magic. he has a book explaining it on > his website: drtanshow.com > > hope this helps, > > k > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, turusachan <turusachan > wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry about this folks, but quick suggestions would be useful. A patient > of > > mine was bitten by a bat yesterday, and has started the rabies > injections. > > One shot in the ball of the thumb, 6 shots in the gluts. She has to go > back > > for another shot tomorrow, then the next 2 Fridays. > > > > She's generally a very outgoing woman, early 40s, a crusader for > children. > > Blood deficient, usually slippery pulses, can get you more info if > needed. > > Right now she feels like she can 'hardly talk' - very unlike her. Fuzzy > > headed, no energy. > > > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - I'm seeing her this > afternoon. > > Karen > > > > Karen R. Adams, > > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > > 25 - 27 Bank Row > > Greenfield, MA 01301 > > 413-768-8333 > > > > Do or do not. > > There is no try. > > Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back > > > > > > > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath. blogspot. com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= > 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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