information about products: Salba and Rakuten

[Guest guest]

Dear Colleagues,

 

This past week, patients of mine brought to my attention two products that I am

unfamiliar with, Salba, which was apparently used by the Aztecs, and Rakuten

which comes from Japan.  I wonder if any of you are familiar with these

products, and what objective reviews you might have.  Here are links that I

received about each:

 

Salba:

https://www.web-purchases.com/650SSAL/E6ETK2G2/landing.html?o=8358 & s=9298 & u=4804\

3645 & l=6615 & g=67 & r=Milo

 

Rakuten:  http://www.soypalcookiediet.com/key_facts.php

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This seems all so familiar. Only the names have changed.

Doug

 

_______________

Keep reading for great news about your blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol

balance, energy, skin, joints, digestion and so much more...

 

 

 

 

 

 

, wrote:

>

>

> Dear Colleagues,

>  

> This past week, patients of mine brought to my attention two products that I

am unfamiliar with, Salba, which was apparently used by the Aztecs, and Rakuten

which comes from Japan.  I wonder if any of you are familiar with these

products, and what objective reviews you might have.  Here are links that I

received about each:

>

> Salba:

https://www.web-purchases.com/650SSAL/E6ETK2G2/landing.html?o=8358 & s=9298 & u=4804\

3645 & l=6615 & g=67 & r=Milo

>  

> Rakuten:  http://www.soypalcookiediet.com/key_facts.php

>

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

>

>  

>  

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Multimarketing, yet again. . .

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 8:11 AM, wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> This seems all so familiar. Only the names have changed.

> Doug

>

> _______________

> Keep reading for great news about your blood pressure, blood sugar,

> cholesterol balance, energy, skin, joints, digestion and so much

> more...

>

> , wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Colleagues,

> >

> > This past week, patients of mine brought to my attention two

> products that I am unfamiliar with, Salba, which was apparently used

> by the Aztecs, and Rakuten which comes from Japan. I wonder if any

> of you are familiar with these products, and what objective reviews

> you might have. Here are links that I received about each:

> >

> > Salba:

https://www.web-purchases.com/650SSAL/E6ETK2G2/landing.html?o=8358 & s=9298 & u=4804\

3645 & l=6615 & g=67 & r=Milo

> >

> > Rakuten: http://www.soypalcookiediet.com/key_facts.php

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear cynics,

 

I wouldn't jump to conclusions, particularly concerning Salba, which, if you

would bother to research the product, you would find  is available in some heath

food stores,  is sold by more than one producer, (the package that my patient

brought in was even kosher certified) and the link that I presented comes from a

source related to Jonathan Wright, MD, a  pioneering physician with impeccable

credentials who has a long history of disseminating information about

nutriceuticals, alternative therapies and preventative medicine. 

 

I deeply resent the assumption that if a new product is promoted with what

appears to be glitzy hyperbole, that it automatically doesn't have merit.  I

want to refer back to a discussion we had about a year ago relative to GoChi, a

particular juice product that indeed is sold through multi-level marketing.  I

was interested in the product though I detested the promotional marketing, for a

number of reasons: first, the company had conducted placebo-controlled double

blind studies to demonstrate the unique benefits of it, second, it tasted

delicious, and third,  I was familiar with the benefits of Gou Qi Zi, and was

interested in referring my patients to a product that would be easy to use, and

would benefit those with patterns that would benefit it.   My wife and I tried

it personally for about 3 months, and though we enjoyed it and clearly felt 

adaptagenic benefits, more so than with just eating the berries, in the end I

felt that the benefit

just didn't justify the cost. 

 

You can't throw the baby out with the bath water.  And even more so if a product

is not multi-level marketed, have the prudence and respect to consider a product

thoroughly and carefully  before rejecting it.     

 

And as far as rakuten is concerned, it is one of many products that are slowly

making their way to the west from Japan.  Obviously, their strategy is to sell

it, and so they have targeted the many dim-witted people (particularly young

people) who look for easy ways to control their weight, among other things.  But

again, I am interested in seeing the research and studies validating the claims,

and if such a product has benefit when used as directed, does not have any

adverse side-effects, and is cost effective, then I would consider

it beneficial and might recommend it when appropriate.

 

My post was a request for information, and not a validation of my judgment.

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, <zrosenbe wrote:

 

 

<zrosenbe

Re: Re: information about products: Salba and Rakuten

 

Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 8:48 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Multimarketing, yet again. . .

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 8:11 AM, wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> This seems all so familiar. Only the names have changed.

> Doug

>

> ____________ ___

> Keep reading for great news about your blood pressure, blood sugar,

> cholesterol balance, energy, skin, joints, digestion and so much

> more...

>

> , wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Colleagues,

> >

> > This past week, patients of mine brought to my attention two

> products that I am unfamiliar with, Salba, which was apparently used

> by the Aztecs, and Rakuten which comes from Japan. I wonder if any

> of you are familiar with these products, and what objective reviews

> you might have. Here are links that I received about each:

> >

> > Salba: https://www. web-purchases. com/650SSAL/ E6ETK2G2/ landing.html?

o=8358 & s= 9298 & u=48043645 & l=6615 & g= 67 & r=Milo

> >

> > Rakuten: http://www.soypalco okiediet. com/key_facts. php

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

> > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

To me, the beneficial ingredients as such sound good. I am always wary of

products advertised if they do not give you a complete list of all the

ingredients in their exact amount and type. I cannot find it there or am I not

looking properly?

Altthough, as Jehuda points out, one should always have an open mind, I

found that so many times there are things in there, for bulk, for preserving

the product, for making it taste nice, that have not been mentioned

initially, therefore I can understand why people take a " negative " view

straight

away.

Also, I believe that the fresher the product, the more beneficial it is.

Although many herbs as such are obviously good nutrition, I wonder if a mix

of " byproducts " and " waste " of others are as good as the whole plant, for

example, would be. There are just too many steps from the original to the

product, all for our convenience. I think, if we are promoting health, have to

make great efforts to encourage people to use the fresh ones. Although in

many cases that might not be possible, but these claims seem to make live

so easy rather than, for example, making a healthy wok stir fry with tofu,

veggies and beans for " original " fibre/

 

 

Best regards

Andrea Hehlmann, Dr.med.vet, MRCVS

_www.hehlis-holistics.com_ (http://www.hehlis-holistics.com/)

Hehlis Holistics-For a grain mill, flaker, handmill

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Cynic, yes, skeptical might be kinder. But I quote only a portion from the web

site. I'm sorry, with claims like these how can I or anyone take this seriously?

If its good it will last, otherwise it just looks like a thousand spores of

marketing stuck to my refrigerator walls.

 

C'mon Yehuda, the fact that Z'ev and I actually seem to agree on something

should be a tip off. ;-)

 

I don't want to denigrate our Creator but I doubt this is, was or will ever be a

Perfect Food.

 

Doug

 

 

 

Did our Creator make a PERFECT FOOD?

 

Stunned researchers now say " YES. " Gram for gram, this amazing discovery packs

awesome amounts of Omega 3 fatty acids, plus:

* 6 times more calcium than whole milk...

* 15 times more magnesium than broccoli...

* 3 times more antioxidant power than fresh blueberries...

* More fiber than flaxseed...

* More protein than soy...

Imagine a food so perfect that just a tiny bit every morning could transform

your entire day. You simply stir a bit into your cereal or yogurt, and presto...

* Suddenly, you're surging with energy all day long, and sleeping better at

night...

* You've never been more regular, as occasional constipation, diarrhea,

bloating, gas and cramps simply disappear...

* Weight-control becomes more manageable, as hunger pangs and cravings

vanish, and you feel amazingly satisfied...

 

Then, as the weeks go by, imagine...

* Your heart, arteries, blood pressure and even your cholesterol balance are

all behaving beautifully...

* Your joints feel youthful as stiffness fades...

* Friends say you're even looking younger and compliment you on your skin...

 

And what if I told you this miracle can transform all kinds of delicious foods?

You can blend it into your breakfast shake, make mouthwatering dinners with it,

bake cookies with it, and it makes everything more satisfying! Yes...

 

IT EVEN MAKES BROWNIES

TASTE MORE DELICIOUS

 

No, it's not chocolate. This " perfect food " blows chocolate (and every other

contender) out of the water. Yet ironically, it's been sitting right under our

noses for over 500 years -- and totally ignored until just recently.

 

It's a grain you've never heard of, yet the ancient Aztecs prized it more highly

than gold. They fed it to their athletes, used it as medicine, even offered it

to their gods...

 

Ancient Aztecs believed it gave them supernatural

ENERGY & POWER...

 

And maybe it did, in a manner of speaking Spanish conquistadores named it Salvia

Hispanica L, promptly forgot about it -- and that was that for the next five

centuries. Well, so far it's just a colorful Aztec legend, right? But everything

suddenly changed just recently, when scientists finally took an interest in

it...

 

And when modern researchers ran tests,

THEY NEARLY FELL OVER...

 

They noticed that Salvia Hispanica L. came in two colors -- black and white. The

black ones proved unremarkable. But the white ones tested off the charts!

 

So they bred a strain of purely white grains, tested them again, and the results

clearly showed they had found a nutritional goldmine. Scientists named this

super-grain Salba®. And just for starters, it turns out to be...

 

This super-grain turns out to be the

" bread of heaven "

FOR YOUR HEART!

 

Gram for gram, Salba has 8 times more Omega 3 fatty acids than fresh Atlantic

salmon...

 

Let me be clear that I'm not knocking salmon. I love it! Salmon contains

different kinds of Omega 3, including high amounts of DHA and EPA -- while

Salba's Omega 3 content is mainly in the form of alpha linolenic acid. I believe

it's best to have both forms of Omega 3...

 

But you can't bake salmon into

BANANA BREAD...

 

And whoever heard of salmon cookies! The beauty of Salba is that you can sneak

it into any meal, from your breakfast oatmeal, to lunchtime macaroni and cheese,

to all kinds of delicious dinners and desserts. (More about this below,

including a free recipe.)

 

Better still, Salba is richer in this special form of Omega 3 fatty acids than

any other whole food I've ever evaluated. That's heavenly news for your heart!

 

After all, even the American Heart Association agrees that Omega 3 fatty acids

can help...

 

* Promote healthy heart functions...

* Maintain healthy cholesterol levels...

* Keep your blood pressure right where it's supposed to be...

* Support a healthy cardiovascular system...

 

And the news gets even better, because Salba's way more than a super-source of

Omega 3. For example...

 

Your heart and arteries need

SCADS OF MAGNESIUM...

 

And lots of us don't get enough in our diets. Broccoli's a fine source of

magnesium, but do you eat it every day? Of course not! Happily, though, gram for

gram...

 

SALBA HAS 15 TIMES MORE

magnesium than fresh broccoli

 

Intrigued? We're just getting warmed up. Let's move a few inches down from your

heart and see what Salba does for your gut...

 

What's griping your gut?

SALBA SOLVES IT ALL

 

Eases occasional constipation, diarrhea, bloating, cramps, gas and more!

 

Whenever I told my patients, " Get more fiber, " they used to protest, " But Dr.

Spreen, fiber gives me the trots! " Does that ring a bell? You can't win!

 

You take something for your constipation, and wind up with diarrhea. Then your

exhausted colon shuts down, and you're constipated again. It's a vicious

cycle...

 

But Salba has an uncanny power to solve both miseries at once. Plus, it could

help to reduce bloating, gas, cramps and even hunger pangs in the bargain. How?

The reason is simple...

 

You see, Salba isn't just the richest whole-food source of fiber that I've ever

examined. Each tiny granule is packed with two types of fiber, in ideal balance.

 

Colon-calmer #1. Salba's insoluble fiber gently " scrubs " debris and toxins from

your colon walls, banishing buildup and blockage. No more constipation.

 

Colon-calmer #2. Salba's soluble fiber soaks up water, so stools don't get too

loose. No more diarrhea.

 

 

Not too firm, not too loose! Best of all, when you've got both kinds of fiber

working in perfect balance, your bowels move along like a perfectly scheduled

train -- right on time. Reader after reader writes, " I can't remember when I was

this regular. " Now it's true that other foods may also contain both kinds of

fiber. But...

 

Salba works 3 ways better

 

1. Salba quickly absorbs 12 times its weight in water. That's phenomenal. More

than twice as much as flaxseed. This is a key reason why Salba is so incredibly

soothing. Just like a wet sponge glides across a counter, Salba helps your food

glide calmly and cleanly through your digestive tract.

 

2. Over 35% of Salba is fiber, considerably higher than wheat bran or flaxseed.

You'd need to eat 1 - cups of bran to get the fiber in just a few ounces of

Salba.

 

3. Salba doesn't taste like sawdust! Its flavor is neutral, so it just

" disappears " when you stir it into your favorite breakfast food or shake.

 

Plus, of course, those other foods won't give you Salba's incredible energy

boost...

SalbaConstipation cleared! No matter what I ate or took, I had constipation...

[now] I have never felt better. " -S. Winston, Houston, Texas

 

Loose stools stopped! " I have loose stools [but] Salba has helped firm them up! "

-Mark H., Nevada

 

Bloating banished! " Can't remember the last time I was this regular. I don't

feel bloated and irritable anymore! " R. Finnely, Buffalo, New York

 

" It's been a Godsend for MY ENERGY! "

--Danielle G.

 

No more fatigue or jitters! Salba powers you up as smoothly as a Rolls Royce

engine...

 

Ancient Aztecs called it their " running food. " Legend has it that just a

spoonful of Salvia Hispanica L. was enough to power an Aztec runner through a

grueling, 24-hour forced march...

 

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And my desk is stacked with letters attesting

SALBA'S ENERGY BOOST IS NO MYTH

 

" 120% more productive! I could barely get out of bed, until Salba! " -Jared L.,

Arizona

 

" Energy without nervousness and more stamina. I am 71 years old -- now I'm able

to stay up longer at night and sleep so well! " --Danielle G.

 

" I no longer need naps and that is really great for a 75 year old! I have more

energy to go shopping, out to lunches with friends! " --Janet W., Arizona

 

And this is jitter-free energy. Not the kind you get from caffeine-drenched

drinks that leave you to crash and burn.

 

ZERO CAFFEINE

And no " caffeine crash "

 

As a doctor, I'm outraged that so many so-called energy drinks and foods are

just " caffeine in a costume. " They give you the jitters, then keep you awake all

night -- and you wind up more exhausted than ever.

 

But Salba energizes you honestly, by restocking your nutrition banks, and

helping to maintain healthy blood sugar levels. You'll have the stamina of the

energizer bunny, then drop off to sleep, relaxed!

 

 

HOW CAN THIS BE? I believe it's because Salba is such a complete superfood. It

provides at least three " energizers " that your tired-out body has been missing:

 

ENERGIZER #1. Over 30 different nutrients in their whole food form. Every tiny

grain of Salba is like a " neutron star " of nutrients that your body desperately

needs. And any doctor will tell you that it's always best to get your nutrients

in the form of food.

 

ENERGIZER #2. Super-rich fiber. All the fiber in Salba slows down your

digestion, giving your nutrients an even better chance of getting absorbed. It

also evens out your absorption of carbohydrates, so your cells get a slow,

smooth supply of fuel.

 

Yet even though it pumps you up so powerfully, Salba actually makes you less

hungry...

 

ENERGIZER #3 Muscle up! With nature's PERFECT PROTEIN FOOD. Vegetarian or not,

your muscles need plenty of protein to stay strong and toned. Salba is not only

richer in protein than soy -- its protein is more complete. Unlike soy, Salba's

protein contains all the essential amino acids that your body needs to build

muscle. And it's not processed with chemicals, as so many soy products are.

That's why I call Salba the perfect protein source. You get all the protein

benefit of eating red meat, without the risk.

 

World's healthiest way to

HALT HUNGER PANGS

 

Just a smidgen of Salba with any meal makes slimming down a snap!

[Guest guest]

Right on, Doug.

 

As for the other product,

Okara is a great source of fiber. But I am afraid that it is another

failed attempt to get Americans to lose weight by fooling their

stomachs into thinking they are 'full'. Overeating and obesity are

epidemics in this country, and until we grapple with their causes and

adapt natural foods diets, they will continue to be a problem.

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 12:49 PM, wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Cynic, yes, skeptical might be kinder. But I quote only a portion

> from the web site. I'm sorry, with claims like these how can I or

> anyone take this seriously? If its good it will last, otherwise it

> just looks like a thousand spores of marketing stuck to my

> refrigerator walls.

>

> C'mon Yehuda, the fact that Z'ev and I actually seem to agree on

> something should be a tip off. ;-)

>

> I don't want to denigrate our Creator but I doubt this is, was or

> will ever be a Perfect Food.

>

> Doug___

>

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It's chia seeds, actually, ain't it?

Although they will claim theirs is a special strain more power-packed

than a whole screen full of super-heros.

 

a

nn

 

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 3:49 PM, wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Cynic, yes, skeptical might be kinder. But I quote only a portion

> from the web site. I'm sorry, with claims like these how can I or

> anyone take this seriously? If its good it will last, otherwise it

> just looks like a thousand spores of marketing stuck to my

> refrigerator walls.

>

> C'mon Yehuda, the fact that Z'ev and I actually seem to agree on

> something should be a tip off. ;-)

>

> I don't want to denigrate our Creator but I doubt this is, was or

> will ever be a Perfect Food.

>

> Doug

>

> Did our Creator make a PERFECT FOOD?

>

> Stunned researchers now say " YES. " Gram for gram, this amazing

> discovery packs awesome amounts of Omega 3 fatty acids, plus:

> * 6 times more calcium than whole milk...

> * 15 times more magnesium than broccoli...

> * 3 times more antioxidant power than fresh blueberries...

> * More fiber than flaxseed...

> * More protein than soy...

> Imagine a food so perfect that just a tiny bit every morning could

> transform your entire day. You simply stir a bit into your cereal or

> yogurt, and presto...

> * Suddenly, you're surging with energy all day long, and sleeping

> better at night...

> * You've never been more regular, as occasional constipation,

> diarrhea, bloating, gas and cramps simply disappear...

> * Weight-control becomes more manageable, as hunger pangs and

> cravings vanish, and you feel amazingly satisfied...

>

> Then, as the weeks go by, imagine...

> * Your heart, arteries, blood pressure and even your cholesterol

> balance are all behaving beautifully...

> * Your joints feel youthful as stiffness fades...

> * Friends say you're even looking younger and compliment you on your

> skin...

>

> And what if I told you this miracle can transform all kinds of

> delicious foods? You can blend it into your breakfast shake, make

> mouthwatering dinners with it, bake cookies with it, and it makes

> everything more satisfying! Yes...

>

> IT EVEN MAKES BROWNIES

> TASTE MORE DELICIOUS

>

> No, it's not chocolate. This " perfect food " blows chocolate (and

> every other contender) out of the water. Yet ironically, it's been

> sitting right under our noses for over 500 years -- and totally

> ignored until just recently.

>

> It's a grain you've never heard of, yet the ancient Aztecs prized it

> more highly than gold. They fed it to their athletes, used it as

> medicine, even offered it to their gods...

>

> Ancient Aztecs believed it gave them supernatural

> ENERGY & POWER...

>

> And maybe it did, in a manner of speaking Spanish conquistadores

> named it Salvia Hispanica L, promptly forgot about it -- and that

> was that for the next five centuries. Well, so far it's just a

> colorful Aztec legend, right? But everything suddenly changed just

> recently, when scientists finally took an interest in it...

>

> And when modern researchers ran tests,

> THEY NEARLY FELL OVER...

>

> They noticed that Salvia Hispanica L. came in two colors -- black

> and white. The black ones proved unremarkable. But the white ones

> tested off the charts!

>

> So they bred a strain of purely white grains, tested them again, and

> the results clearly showed they had found a nutritional goldmine.

> Scientists named this super-grain Salba®. And just for starters, it

> turns out to be...

>

> This super-grain turns out to be the

> " bread of heaven "

> FOR YOUR HEART!

>

> Gram for gram, Salba has 8 times more Omega 3 fatty acids than fresh

> Atlantic salmon...

>

> Let me be clear that I'm not knocking salmon. I love it! Salmon

> contains different kinds of Omega 3, including high amounts of DHA

> and EPA -- while Salba's Omega 3 content is mainly in the form of

> alpha linolenic acid. I believe it's best to have both forms of

> Omega 3...

>

> But you can't bake salmon into

> BANANA BREAD...

>

> And whoever heard of salmon cookies! The beauty of Salba is that you

> can sneak it into any meal, from your breakfast oatmeal, to

> lunchtime macaroni and cheese, to all kinds of delicious dinners and

> desserts. (More about this below, including a free recipe.)

>

> Better still, Salba is richer in this special form of Omega 3 fatty

> acids than any other whole food I've ever evaluated. That's heavenly

> news for your heart!

>

> After all, even the American Heart Association agrees that Omega 3

> fatty acids can help...

>

> * Promote healthy heart functions...

> * Maintain healthy cholesterol levels...

> * Keep your blood pressure right where it's supposed to be...

> * Support a healthy cardiovascular system...

>

> And the news gets even better, because Salba's way more than a super-

> source of Omega 3. For example...

>

> Your heart and arteries need

> SCADS OF MAGNESIUM...

>

> And lots of us don't get enough in our diets. Broccoli's a fine

> source of magnesium, but do you eat it every day? Of course not!

> Happily, though, gram for gram...

>

> SALBA HAS 15 TIMES MORE

> magnesium than fresh broccoli

>

> Intrigued? We're just getting warmed up. Let's move a few inches

> down from your heart and see what Salba does for your gut...

>

> What's griping your gut?

> SALBA SOLVES IT ALL

>

> Eases occasional constipation, diarrhea, bloating, cramps, gas and

> more!

>

> Whenever I told my patients, " Get more fiber, " they used to protest,

> " But Dr. Spreen, fiber gives me the trots! " Does that ring a bell?

> You can't win!

>

> You take something for your constipation, and wind up with diarrhea.

> Then your exhausted colon shuts down, and you're constipated again.

> It's a vicious cycle...

>

> But Salba has an uncanny power to solve both miseries at once. Plus,

> it could help to reduce bloating, gas, cramps and even hunger pangs

> in the bargain. How? The reason is simple...

>

> You see, Salba isn't just the richest whole-food source of fiber

> that I've ever examined. Each tiny granule is packed with two types

> of fiber, in ideal balance.

>

> Colon-calmer #1. Salba's insoluble fiber gently " scrubs " debris and

> toxins from your colon walls, banishing buildup and blockage. No

> more constipation.

>

> Colon-calmer #2. Salba's soluble fiber soaks up water, so stools

> don't get too loose. No more diarrhea.

>

> Not too firm, not too loose! Best of all, when you've got both kinds

> of fiber working in perfect balance, your bowels move along like a

> perfectly scheduled train -- right on time. Reader after reader

> writes, " I can't remember when I was this regular. " Now it's true

> that other foods may also contain both kinds of fiber. But...

>

> Salba works 3 ways better

>

> 1. Salba quickly absorbs 12 times its weight in water. That's

> phenomenal. More than twice as much as flaxseed. This is a key

> reason why Salba is so incredibly soothing. Just like a wet sponge

> glides across a counter, Salba helps your food glide calmly and

> cleanly through your digestive tract.

>

> 2. Over 35% of Salba is fiber, considerably higher than wheat bran

> or flaxseed. You'd need to eat 1 - cups of bran to get the fiber in

> just a few ounces of Salba.

>

> 3. Salba doesn't taste like sawdust! Its flavor is neutral, so it

> just " disappears " when you stir it into your favorite breakfast food

> or shake.

>

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[Guest guest]

Don't know much about the other product, but Salba is just chia seed,

usually combined with Maca. Chia seed (salvia hispanica, semen) contains a

rich source of plant-based Omega 3 EFA's among other things. I'm sure the

company that markets Salba is over-hyping the product, but let's not count

that against salvia hispanica/chia seed - it's a great food source and

something that can be added to a person's daily diet safely.

 

I'm kinda surprised at the reactions by Doug and Zev...Surely, we as

practitioners and even more importantly, as herbalists are able to discern

value from hype. When it comes to salvia hispanica/chia seed, I tell my

patient that are interested in it that it is a nutritious " food " not a

miracle cure.

 

I have a vegetarian patient who is allergic to flax seed. Salvia

hispanica/chia seed has been a great alternative source of EFA's for her.

You can purchase salvia hispanica/chia seed from bulk suppliers - much more

cost effective than the Salba brand.

 

J

________

Joy Keller, LAc, Dipl.OM

Ramona Acupuncture & Integrative Medicine Clinic

Phone: (760) 654-1040 Fax: (760) 654-4019

www.RamonaAcupuncture.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Joy,

I meant the product and its presentation. Chia seed is marvelous,

I've used it on and off for almost 35 years. .

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Joy Keller wrote:

 

>

>

> Don't know much about the other product, but Salba is just chia seed,

> usually combined with Maca. Chia seed (salvia hispanica, semen)

> contains a

> rich source of plant-based Omega 3 EFA's among other things. I'm

> sure the

> company that markets Salba is over-hyping the product, but let's not

> count

> that against salvia hispanica/chia seed - it's a great food source and

> something that can be added to a person's daily diet safely.

>

> I'm kinda surprised at the reactions by Doug and Zev...Surely, we as

> practitioners and even more importantly, as herbalists are able to

> discern

> value from hype. When it comes to salvia hispanica/chia seed, I tell

> my

> patient that are interested in it that it is a nutritious " food " not a

> miracle cure.

>

> I have a vegetarian patient who is allergic to flax seed. Salvia

> hispanica/chia seed has been a great alternative source of EFA's for

> her.

> You can purchase salvia hispanica/chia seed from bulk suppliers -

> much more

> cost effective than the Salba brand.

>

> J

> ________

> Joy Keller, LAc, Dipl.OM

> Ramona Acupuncture & Integrative Medicine Clinic

> Phone: (760) 654-1040 Fax: (760) 654-4019

> www.RamonaAcupuncture.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anne, Doug and Z'ev,

 

You  miss the specific point I  am addressing.  Please understand,(as I

said earlier) that I did not bring up this topic because I was wowed by

hyperbole or exaggerated promises.  Rather, because it appeared to me that these

foods could be inexpensive quality nutritional balanced food sources.  I didn't

want to go there, but let's explore each product, nonetheless: 

 

 As you mention Z'ev, Okara is soy pulp,  a by-product of tofu production, and

unlike other dietary fiber, is a good source bio-available protein, calcium,

iron, potassium and selenium.  If it is packaged as a complete food, without

artificial coloring, flavoring, or sweeteners what problem could you

have with using this product for those with spleen vacuity, to dry dampness and

strengthen the spleen, also supporting a complete weight loss program? 

 

As far as Salba, Anne, though related to chia, Salvia hispanica L. is

different.  see:   https://www.salbastore.com/index.php/nutrition-facts/53

 

My bottom line is that as a practitioner promoting wellness and balance, I am

always looking for real whole foods that I can recommend to my patients based

upon their individual constitutions and patterns.  

 

I asked for your help, for research on those who might be familiar with these

products, and instead got negativism, which I have neither the time nor the

inclination to engage in.  So please, with all due respect, if you have

something to add to what I have posted above to educate me, great, I encourage

it.  If you have evidence that my information is incorrect, thank you, I

appreciate it , but otherwise, I request that you not waste either of our times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, <zrosenbe wrote:

 

 

<zrosenbe

Re: Re: information about products: Salba and Rakuten

 

Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 1:24 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right on, Doug.

 

As for the other product,

Okara is a great source of fiber. But I am afraid that it is another

failed attempt to get Americans to lose weight by fooling their

stomachs into thinking they are 'full'. Overeating and obesity are

epidemics in this country, and until we grapple with their causes and

adapt natural foods diets, they will continue to be a problem.

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 12:49 PM, wrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Cynic, yes, skeptical might be kinder. But I quote only a portion

> from the web site. I'm sorry, with claims like these how can I or

> anyone take this seriously? If its good it will last, otherwise it

> just looks like a thousand spores of marketing stuck to my

> refrigerator walls.

>

> C'mon Yehuda, the fact that Z'ev and I actually seem to agree on

> something should be a tip off. ;-)

>

> I don't want to denigrate our Creator but I doubt this is, was or

> will ever be a Perfect Food.

>

> Doug___

>

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

[Guest guest]

If there are no artificial ingredients, it would be fine. But I

wonder why one takes the cookies with so much fluid to fill the

stomach. Artificial 'bulking' to fill the belly I see as a

problematic approach that can weaken the spleen qi, not benefit it. .

 

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 2:56 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> As you mention Z'ev, Okara is soy pulp, a by-product of tofu

> production, and unlike other dietary fiber, is a good source bio-

> available protein, calcium, iron, potassium and selenium. If it is

> packaged as a complete food, without artificial coloring, flavoring,

> or sweeteners what problem could you have with using this product

> for those with spleen vacuity, to dry dampness and strengthen the

> spleen, also supporting a complete weight loss program?

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Z'ev,

 

It's not so much the cookie that interests me, but rather the pulp.  From my

understanding, it is a substance that absorbs fluid  from the body like a

sponge,  and rather than causing fluid retention which would, of course, damage

the spleen, acually promotes elimination,  by stimulating normal bowel

elimination and therefore strengthens the Spleen by eliminating dampness, much

like psyllium.  But  whereas psyllium can cause a loss of nutrition, this

substance seems to actually promote nutrient absorption.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, <zrosenbe wrote:

 

 

<zrosenbe

Re: Re: information about products: Salba and Rakuten

 

Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:09 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there are no artificial ingredients, it would be fine. But I

wonder why one takes the cookies with so much fluid to fill the

stomach. Artificial 'bulking' to fill the belly I see as a

problematic approach that can weaken the spleen qi, not benefit it. .

 

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 2:56 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

> As you mention Z'ev, Okara is soy pulp, a by-product of tofu

> production, and unlike other dietary fiber, is a good source bio-

> available protein, calcium, iron, potassium and selenium. If it is

> packaged as a complete food, without artificial coloring, flavoring,

> or sweeteners what problem could you have with using this product

> for those with spleen vacuity, to dry dampness and strengthen the

> spleen, also supporting a complete weight loss program?

 

 

Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

San Diego, Ca. 92122

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda, sorry if I offended and I understand now you are looking for information

about this herb. However when you ask for an objective assessment of an absolute

embarrassment of hype sent to you by a patient are we to assess if it can do all

these things or what I imagine is a limited range of actions? I assume that your

patient is interested because of the hype and not for the few things in which it

may excel. A simple search would have told us what this was instead of what it

obviously isn't.

Doug

 

 

 

,

wrote:

>

..................

> My bottom line is that as a practitioner promoting wellness and balance, I am

always looking for real whole foods that I can recommend to my patients based

upon their individual constitutions and patterns.  

>  

> I asked for your help, for research on those who might be familiar with these

products, and instead got negativism, which I have neither the time nor the

inclination to engage in.  So please, with all due respect, if you have

something to add to what I have posted above to educate me, great, I encourage

it.  If you have evidence that my information is incorrect, thank you, I

appreciate it , but otherwise, I request that you not waste either of our times.

>

>

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks Yehuda,

I was looking for some kind of comparison like this a few months back;

didn't find it. So if this is to be believed, the salba has 30% more

omega 3s and 35% more protein.... yet on another page it states it has

8X more Omega 3s than salmon...( and compares its other nutrients

against other foods containing them). These may not be the only

compounds of interest, but just for the sake of argument, the price

seems CONSIDERABLY more than 30% higher than chia seeds. And this site

is not alone in not revealing the actual wt of a jar of product. That

makes me cranky:-(

I guess for me a good test would be to get some. Eat it. Compare.

Wonder if it grinds well. That would be another way to taste it. Or

soak an equivalent amount in water, wait 2 hrs.

 

I'll let you be the guinea pig, Yehuda.

Waiting anxiously for the verdict.

a

n

n

 

 

 

On May 20, 2009, at 5:56 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

>

>

> Anne, Doug and Z'ev,

>

> You miss the specific point I am addressing. Please understand,

> (as I said earlier) that I did not bring up this topic because I was

> wowed by hyperbole or exaggerated promises. Rather, because it

> appeared to me that these foods could be inexpensive quality

> nutritional balanced food sources. I didn't want to go there, but

> let's explore each product, nonetheless:

>

> As you mention Z'ev, Okara is soy pulp, a by-product of tofu

> production, and unlike other dietary fiber, is a good source bio-

> available protein, calcium, iron, potassium and selenium. If it is

> packaged as a complete food, without artificial coloring, flavoring,

> or sweeteners what problem could you have with using this product

> for those with spleen vacuity, to dry dampness and strengthen the

> spleen, also supporting a complete weight loss program?

>

> As far as Salba, Anne, though related to chia, Salvia hispanica L.

> is different. see: https://www.salbastore.com/index.php/nutrition-facts/53

>

> My bottom line is that as a practitioner promoting wellness and

> balance, I am always looking for real whole foods that I can

> recommend to my patients based upon their individual constitutions

> and patterns.

>

> I asked for your help, for research on those who might be familiar

> with these products, and instead got negativism, which I have

> neither the time nor the inclination to engage in. So please, with

> all due respect, if you have something to add to what I have posted

> above to educate me, great, I encourage it. If you have evidence

> that my information is incorrect, thank you, I appreciate it , but

> otherwise, I request that you not waste either of our times.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, <zrosenbe wrote:

>

> <zrosenbe

> Re: Re: information about products: Salba and Rakuten

>

> Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 1:24 PM

>

> Right on, Doug.

>

> As for the other product,

> Okara is a great source of fiber. But I am afraid that it is another

> failed attempt to get Americans to lose weight by fooling their

> stomachs into thinking they are 'full'. Overeating and obesity are

> epidemics in this country, and until we grapple with their causes and

> adapt natural foods diets, they will continue to be a problem.

>

>

> On May 20, 2009, at 12:49 PM, wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cynic, yes, skeptical might be kinder. But I quote only a portion

> > from the web site. I'm sorry, with claims like these how can I or

> > anyone take this seriously? If its good it will last, otherwise it

> > just looks like a thousand spores of marketing stuck to my

> > refrigerator walls.

> >

> > C'mon Yehuda, the fact that Z'ev and I actually seem to agree on

> > something should be a tip off. ;-)

> >

> > I don't want to denigrate our Creator but I doubt this is, was or

> > will ever be a Perfect Food.

> >

> > Doug___

> >

>

>

> Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

> Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

> San Diego, Ca. 92122

>

>

[Guest guest]

oic... i found the page... it's 1 lb per container.

Now I have to go check the cost of a lb of chia seeds.

a

 

On May 20, 2009, at 11:37 PM, A. Brameier wrote:

 

>

>

> thanks Yehuda,

> I was looking for some kind of comparison like this a few months back;

> didn't find it. So if this is to be believed, the salba has 30% more

> omega 3s and 35% more protein.... yet on another page it states it has

> 8X more Omega 3s than salmon...( and compares its other nutrients

> against other foods containing them). These may not be the only

> compounds of interest, but just for the sake of argument, the price

> seems CONSIDERABLY more than 30% higher than chia seeds. And this site

> is not alone in not revealing the actual wt of a jar of product. That

> makes me cranky:-(

> I guess for me a good test would be to get some. Eat it. Compare.

> Wonder if it grinds well. That would be another way to taste it. Or

> soak an equivalent amount in water, wait 2 hrs.

>

> I'll let you be the guinea pig, Yehuda.

> Waiting anxiously for the verdict.

> a

> n

> n

>

> On May 20, 2009, at 5:56 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Anne, Doug and Z'ev,

> >

> > You miss the specific point I am addressing. Please understand,

> > (as I said earlier) that I did not bring up this topic because I was

> > wowed by hyperbole or exaggerated promises. Rather, because it

> > appeared to me that these foods could be inexpensive quality

> > nutritional balanced food sources. I didn't want to go there, but

> > let's explore each product, nonetheless:

> >

> > As you mention Z'ev, Okara is soy pulp, a by-product of tofu

> > production, and unlike other dietary fiber, is a good source bio-

> > available protein, calcium, iron, potassium and selenium. If it is

> > packaged as a complete food, without artificial coloring, flavoring,

> > or sweeteners what problem could you have with using this product

> > for those with spleen vacuity, to dry dampness and strengthen the

> > spleen, also supporting a complete weight loss program?

> >

> > As far as Salba, Anne, though related to chia, Salvia hispanica L.

> > is different. see: https://www.salbastore.com/index.php/nutrition-facts/53

> >

> > My bottom line is that as a practitioner promoting wellness and

> > balance, I am always looking for real whole foods that I can

> > recommend to my patients based upon their individual constitutions

> > and patterns.

> >

> > I asked for your help, for research on those who might be familiar

> > with these products, and instead got negativism, which I have

> > neither the time nor the inclination to engage in. So please, with

> > all due respect, if you have something to add to what I have posted

> > above to educate me, great, I encourage it. If you have evidence

> > that my information is incorrect, thank you, I appreciate it , but

> > otherwise, I request that you not waste either of our times.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, <zrosenbe wrote:

> >

> > <zrosenbe

> > Re: Re: information about products: Salba and Rakuten

> >

> > Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 1:24 PM

> >

> > Right on, Doug.

> >

> > As for the other product,

> > Okara is a great source of fiber. But I am afraid that it is another

> > failed attempt to get Americans to lose weight by fooling their

> > stomachs into thinking they are 'full'. Overeating and obesity are

> > epidemics in this country, and until we grapple with their causes

> and

> > adapt natural foods diets, they will continue to be a problem.

> >

> >

> > On May 20, 2009, at 12:49 PM, wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cynic, yes, skeptical might be kinder. But I quote only a portion

> > > from the web site. I'm sorry, with claims like these how can I or

> > > anyone take this seriously? If its good it will last, otherwise it

> > > just looks like a thousand spores of marketing stuck to my

> > > refrigerator walls.

> > >

> > > C'mon Yehuda, the fact that Z'ev and I actually seem to agree on

> > > something should be a tip off. ;-)

> > >

> > > I don't want to denigrate our Creator but I doubt this is, was or

> > > will ever be a Perfect Food.

> > >

> > > Doug___

> > >

> >

> >

> > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine

> > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine

> > San Diego, Ca. 92122

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

One thing to note on the chia, it may contain EFAs, although not the kind

that convert easily to DHA especially in the sick, but getting to them is

the real problem. The seeds are too small to grind efficiently, even in a

coffee grinder. And the mucilage, which does indeed help the bowels,

protects it from being used in the gut. Chia is great stuff, but I wouldn't

depend upon it for EFAs.

 

And frankly I'd leave off byproducts of industrial soy production on all

kinds of grounds, not the least of which is excess dampness which is endemic.

 

 

Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM

Registered Herbalist (AHG)

Creationsgarden1

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website

at:_http://www.byregion.net/profiles/ksvaughan2.html_

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[Guest guest]

Karen,

 

Chia is readily available in chemical-free cold processed preparations,  and

from what I have read, it is a grain which is cultivated without pesticides as

bugs are not attracted to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 5/21/09, creationsgarden1 <creationsgarden1 wrote:

 

 

creationsgarden1 <creationsgarden1

Re: information about products: Salba and Rakuten

 

Thursday, May 21, 2009, 1:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to note on the chia, it may contain EFAs, although not the kind

that convert easily to DHA especially in the sick, but getting to them is

the real problem. The seeds are too small to grind efficiently, even in a

coffee grinder. And the mucilage, which does indeed help the bowels,

protects it from being used in the gut. Chia is great stuff, but I wouldn't

depend upon it for EFAs.

 

And frankly I'd leave off byproducts of industrial soy production on all

kinds of grounds, not the least of which is excess dampness which is endemic.

 

 

Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM

Registered Herbalist (AHG)

Creationsgarden1@ aol.com

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website

at:_http://www.byregion .net/profiles/ ksvaughan2. html_ (http://ksvaughan2.

byregion. net/)

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Facebook: Karen Vaughan and Facebook group: Swine Flu and Herbalism

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