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Alon,

 

You're still affirming the consequent. Simply because you disagree with my

conclusions does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that my research is

one-sided.

 

May I suggest that you take your argument to what I have said as apposed to

myself personally? I would appreciate it if you would not make such baseless

claims about me without backing them seriously next time.

 

Should you - sometime in the future - disagree with something that I say,

perhaps it will be better to simply ask me for the evidence behind such claims

than to attack me personally and dismiss everything as a whole? Discussion of

information works much better than leveling ad homs.

 

In regards to depression:

 

First is a meta-analysis from the BMJ:

 

" Recent meta-analyses show selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors have no

clinically meaningful

advantage over placebo "

 

http://talkingcure.co.uk/articles/bmj-331-moncrieffkirsch.pdf

 

Second is another meta-analysis from the Public Library of Science. This one was

different in that it took all the previously unpublished data that was released

with a Freedom of Information Act request. This was done on 4 new

antidepressants.

 

" These findings suggest that, compared with placebo, the new-generation

antidepressants do not produce clinically significant improvements in depression

in patients who initially have moderate or even very severe depression, but show

significant effects only in the most severely depressed patients. "

 

This shouldn't be any surprise when we consider the recent study published in

the American Journal of Psychiatry. This study compared the standard type of

depressed person used in a study with someone who fits a much more " real world "

type. The results were clear:

 

" Of 2,855 participants, 22.2% met typical entry criteria for phase III clinical

trials (efficacy sample) and 77.8% did not (nonefficacy sample).... Phase III

trials do not recruit representative treatment-seeking depressed patients. "

 

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/appi.ajp.2008.08071027v1

 

 

Next, in regards to cholesterol.

 

It seems I need to proofread better. I should have said " cholesterol lowering

drugs do not lower the risk of heart disease "

 

So that I am not accused of one-sided research again, here is some data that I

base this on:

 

" Absolute safety of statins has not been demonstrated for patients at low risk

of CHD "

 

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2014585

 

" Pravastatin did not reduce either all-cause mortality or CHD significantly when

compared with usual care in older participants with well-controlled hypertension

and moderately elevated LDL-C. "

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12479764?dopt=Abstract

 

" Pfizer's Cholesterol Drug Boosts Death Rate by 58 Percent "

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/023148.html

 

" For women without cardiovascular disease, lipid lowering does not affect total

or CHD mortality. "

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15138247?dopt=Abstract

 

" Questioning the benefits of statins "

 

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/173/10/1207-a

 

- Josh Barton, C.M.T., H.H.C.

 

>>>

>Re: Vaccination - Whom can we trust?

>

> " In all of my research, I've continually found the same answer.

>A similar argument can be drawn with - /at least/ certain -

>pharmaceuticals. Depression medications are still prescribed even

>though studies show they work only as good as a placebo. Cholesterol

>lowering drugs are still prescribed even though they continually show

>to not lower cholesterol. "

>

>Josh these statement show that you like to ignore evidence and choose

>only those that support your views. The VAST majority of studies on

>antidepressants show that they do work... as are studies on

>cholesterol drugs. You may argue that lowering cholesterol is not

>smart or that death rates dont change but not lowering cholesterol

>that is ignorant.

>

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