Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Dear Patricia, Bob, and all,  Here are a couple of references concerning Zinc, and particularly its relationship to axillary body odor:  1. Scribner MD: Zinc sulfate and axillary perspiration odor. Arch Dermatol 113:1302, 1977  2.  CC Pfeiffer, S LaMola - J Orthomol Psychiatry, 1983 - orthomolecularhealth.net Zinc and Manganese in the Schizophrenias Carl C. Pfeiffer, Ph.D., M.D.1 and Scott LaMola, B.S. 1  Here's the specific selection:  " Zinc is needed for phosphorylation of pyridoxal to make pyridoxal phosphate so adequate vitamin B6 should always be given with Zn. Patients without dream recall are vitamin B6 deficient and vitamin B6 deficiency is the basic nutrition deficit in Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and Chinese Restaurant Syndrome (Folkers et al., 1981). Double deficiency of Zn and vitamin B6, as in pyroluria, may cause the following: no dream recall, sweet breath and body odor, morning nausea, crowded upper incisors, splenic pain, pallor with itching in sunlight, constipation, achy knees, amennorhea, impotency, seizures, disperceptions, hallucinations, amnesia, paranoia, eosinophilia, lymphocytosis, high bilirubin, and low immune globulin A (Pfeiffer, 1974). We have found a deficiency of Zn and B6 in all girl families we have treated also. "  Hope these are helpful.   --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote: Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic RE: excess saliva " traditional chinese med " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:10 AM Yehuda, I would like more info on zinc if you have more.Zinc is potent anti viral and also the components of spit are very important to our first line of defense the mucosal surfaces and skin, the largest immune organ in the body. Any info you can provide would be helpful. In the book Minerals and the Genetic Code, they list the plants where you can find zinc as a component and then introduce into diet as food therapy. I am sure this is also a significant part of the success of Chinese Food Therapy not just energetics. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine Mon, 11 May 2009 15:25:46 -0700 Re: excess saliva Hi Bob, One of my patients gave me a newsletter from Jonathan Wright, MD. In it was an extensive article on functions of Zinc, and symptoms of Zinc deficiency. I have it at my office and I recall that it was annotated.   I'll try to find the reference. I can tell you,though, that anecdotally, I have used it in a number of cases in the last couple of years, and it works like a charm. --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <boblindeherbalist wrote: Bob Linde, AP, Herbalist <boblindeherbalist Re: excess saliva Chinese Medicine Monday, May 11, 2009, 5:57 AM Hi Yehuda, Very interesting about the zinc. Do you have a source for that use of the zinc. I have not heard it before. Be well, Bob Robert Linde, AP, RH Professional Herbalists Training Program Acupuncture & Herbal Therapies 901 Central Ave St. Petersburg, FL 33705 www.acuherbals. com 727-551-0857 --- On Mon, 5/11/09, > wrote: > Re: excess saliva Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:05 AM Hi Jean, A couple of quick things: 1. Strong axillary odor almost always means Zinc deficiency. Have your patient take 25mg Zinc picolinate BID, and see if it doesn't resolve itself within 3 days. 2. As far as the salivation goes, it could be related to Kidney or it could be related to Spleen, but you really can't know without checking tongue and pulse, taking a history, seeing the patient and determining a differential diagnosis. A must read is Steven Clavey's Fluid Physiology and Pathology in Traditional ISBN-13: 978-0-443-07194- 2 If I remember correctly, there are selections of the book that are available free on line, so do a Google search and check it out. Much success with your new patient! www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Jean <greypal > wrote: Jean <greypal > excess saliva Sunday, May 10, 2009, 4:52 PM Dear Group, I am scheduled to see a patient tomorrow who is seeking help for excess saliva. She said she was diagnosed with " GERD " as the cause. She also said that she has so much saliva that her dentist told her it is wearing away the enamel on her (expensive) dental repairs. She also mentioned that she has very strong axillary odor (not sweating) and has tried perscription deodorant without improvement. I will get further history/exam tomorrow, but I'm wondering about the excess saliva from TCM perspective. Saliva being the humor of the kidney, I can find only reference to lack of saliva/dry mouth (kidney failing to steam fluids). Of course I will put all of her info together, but I am wondering what some pathomechanisms might be that would cause this problem. Thanks so much, Jean Dombroski, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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