Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Hi all, this is a great conversation about the translation of " Xie4 " . Consulting the Practical Dictionary of by Wiseman/Feng 2nd edition pg 146.... there are many synonyms for " Xie4 " Wiseman and Feng translate Xie4 as " *Drain* " and * " Discharge " * 1. To eliminate evils in the body manifesting in repletion patterns. Words of similar meaning include: *Dispel* *(qu1*), destroy or drive out (evils from the body); *Eliminate* *(chu2)*, destroy or remove (evils, especially phlegm or dampness); *Expel *(*qu1)*, remove (parasites from the body); *Resolve (jie3)*, eliminate (evils, especially those affecting the exterior) or free *Clear (qing1)*, eliminate (heat); *Cool (liang2)*, remove heat (from the blood aspect); *Dissipate (san4)*, eliminate (cold) or whittle away (stasis nodes and binds); *Disperse (xiao1*), disintegrate or cause to disappear (glomus, phlegm and food accumulations and swellings); *Break (po4)*, dissipate (static blood) gently but powerfully; *Dry (zao4)*, eliminate (dampness by using dry, bitter medicinals); *Disinhibit (li4)*, promote the free movement (of fluids, qi or blood), or the elimination... or free.... *Expel (pai3)*, promote elimination from the body (phlegm, pus, static blood, stones, water, wind, worms); *Precipitate (xia4)*, to cause to pass downward, especially through the intestines... *Attack (gong1)*, eliminate evils forcefully; in particular to precipitate. 2. Specifically, to eliminate fire and lower burner damp-heat. 3. To cause the stool to flow (ie.. xie4 xie4 diarrhea). See also Discharge pg. 130: *Discharge (xie4)* : Release or leakage; spontaneous or induced outward or downward movement. Same as Drain. See also *Diarrhea* In a way, " Sedate " contains the opposite meaning of " Xie4 " , because sedating the body may decrease the function of eliminating evils from the body. K -- Turtle Island Integrative Health TCM Review director CA State Board Prep Courses www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 replete does not mean the same as excess, replete means full, abundant, like qi hua, overflowing. it doesn't connotate pathology. that is a secondary, and new alternative definition. sedate means the same as all(as below). if english isn't working, what hope do we we have elsewhere? --- On Mon, 5/11/09, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko " Xie4 " according to Wiseman/Feng Chinese Medicine , Monday, May 11, 2009, 11:42 AM Hi all, this is a great conversation about the translation of " Xie4 " . Consulting the Practical Dictionary of by Wiseman/Feng 2nd edition pg 146.... there are many synonyms for " Xie4 " Wiseman and Feng translate Xie4 as " *Drain* " and * " Discharge " * 1. To eliminate evils in the body manifesting in repletion patterns. Words of similar meaning include: *Dispel* *(qu1*), destroy or drive out (evils from the body); *Eliminate* *(chu2)*, destroy or remove (evils, especially phlegm or dampness); *Expel *(*qu1)*, remove (parasites from the body); *Resolve (jie3)*, eliminate (evils, especially those affecting the exterior) or free *Clear (qing1)*, eliminate (heat); *Cool (liang2)*, remove heat (from the blood aspect); *Dissipate (san4)*, eliminate (cold) or whittle away (stasis nodes and binds); *Disperse (xiao1*), disintegrate or cause to disappear (glomus, phlegm and food accumulations and swellings); *Break (po4)*, dissipate (static blood) gently but powerfully; *Dry (zao4)*, eliminate (dampness by using dry, bitter medicinals); *Disinhibit (li4)*, promote the free movement (of fluids, qi or blood), or the elimination. .. or free.... *Expel (pai3)*, promote elimination from the body (phlegm, pus, static blood, stones, water, wind, worms); *Precipitate (xia4)*, to cause to pass downward, especially through the intestines.. . *Attack (gong1)*, eliminate evils forcefully; in particular to precipitate. 2. Specifically, to eliminate fire and lower burner damp-heat. 3. To cause the stool to flow (ie.. xie4 xie4 diarrhea). See also Discharge pg. 130: *Discharge (xie4)* : Release or leakage; spontaneous or induced outward or downward movement. Same as Drain. See also *Diarrhea* In a way, " Sedate " contains the opposite meaning of " Xie4 " , because sedating the body may decrease the function of eliminating evils from the body. K -- Turtle Island Integrative Health www.turtleclinic. com TCM Review director CA State Board Prep Courses www.tcmreview. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 , <johnkokko wrote: > Wiseman and Feng translate Xie4 as " *Drain* " and * " Discharge " * The words that Wiseman and Feng translate as drain and discharge are two separate Chinese characters. They just share the same pinyin pronunciation. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Eric, That's true. But on page 136, Wiseman writes that " Xie4 " " 1Discharge " is : the " Same as Drain " ... Xie4 (pg. 146) Different characters, but shared meaning? K On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Eric Brand <smilinglotus wrote: > > > --- In <%40>, > <johnkokko wrote: > > Wiseman and Feng translate Xie4 as " *Drain* " and * " Discharge " * > > The words that Wiseman and Feng translate as drain and discharge are two > separate Chinese characters. They just share the same pinyin pronunciation. > > Eric > > > -- Turtle Island Integrative Health TCM Review director CA State Board Prep Courses www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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