sedation and chai hu

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I agree with you, Hugo.  But if you read my discussions, I didn't initiate the

term xie to describe the action which resulted from my treatment, but rather

sedate.  There is no disagreement. As far as considering Chai Hu an herb which

sedates, I think I would agree, as it harmonizes Shao Yang,  and uninhibits

liver Qi stagnation. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Re: Terminology and Etymology

Chinese Medicine

Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Yehuda and All:

 

--Yehuda-

 

sedatus which means to compose, moderate, or quiet. If before I

needle there is intercostal tenderness, burping and irritability, and

after I needle the patient is happy and calm, can I not say that they

are sedate (using the noun form)?

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The root of sedate as you describe it would then fit comfortably with actions

such harmonization, regulation and balancing. Sedate, with a root as you

describe it, does not fit with drain.

 

Chai Hu is an herb which could, according to your definition, be described as

sedating. Huang Qin or Long Dan Cao, on the other hand, cannot be described in

this manner (since they drain), although they are likely to have a *secondary*

effect of " sedation " based on their dosage, combination and length of use.

 

Thoughts?

 

Hugo

 

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Friday, 8 May, 2009 2:48:21

Re: Terminology and Etymology

 

Again, Daniel, I refer back to the etymological root of sedate, the Latin term:

Remember, as I mentioned earlier in this discussion, sedation does not mean

numbing. That is anesthesia.

 

 

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--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Daniel Schulman <daniel.schulman@ > wrote:

 

Daniel Schulman <daniel.schulman@ >

Re: Terminology and Etymology

 

Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:23 PM

 

Obviously this is a debate that will go on forever. To put my two cents in - on

the one hand I do agree in instances that are particularly egregious that

correct terminology is important - and I do think 'sedation' is one of those

instances - because quite simply, no matter how you look at it, I don't see how

we can think we sedate anything with acupuncture - we do drain things and get

things moving where they are stuck. On the other hand, the dogmatism of the

etymological purists can go too far - I just don't see how 'torpid intake' is an

improvement over 'lack of appetite' or 'poor appetite' - I never knew the word

'torpid', still don't know it, I can't relate to it, my patients certainly can't

relate to it and referring to eating as 'intake' sounds bizarre too.

Regards

Daniel