TCM: What Obama said....

[Guest guest]

Thought this is interesting, if you want to look at the site,here is the link:

http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=7209:remarks\

-by-president-obama-in-arnold-missouri-town-hall-april-29-2009 & catid=88888983:la\

test-national-news & Itemid=88889930

 

I cut and paste the interesting stuff:

 

All right, go ahead.

 

Q I'm a licensed acupuncturist and licensed massage therapist in Florissant.

And so --

 

THE PRESIDENT: I could use one right now. (Laughter.) My back is stiff. I've

been working hard.

 

Q I'll be happy to help you. (Laughter.) And this kind of fits into what

you were just talking about as far as health care. I'm wondering, as a

practitioner of Oriental medicine, knowing that the National Institutes of

Health and the World Health Organization has discovered through their studies

that alternative medicine often is more cost-effective and very effective, how

will alternative medicine fit in your new health care program?

 

THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, my attitude is that we should -- we should do what

works. So I think it is pretty well documented through scientific studies that

acupuncture, for example, can be very helpful in relieving certain things like

migraines and other ailments -- or at least as effective as more intrusive

interventions.

 

I will let the science guide me. We just swore in an outstanding new Secretary

of Health and Human Service, Kathleen Sebelius, former governor of Kansas.

(Applause.) It's good to see that a Jay Hawk got applause on this side of the

border here. (Laughter.) But she's going to do an outstanding job. And my

charge to her is, as we're going through health care reform let's find out what

works.

 

I think one basic principle that we know is that the more we do on the

prevention side, the more we can obtain serious savings down the road. So

giving children early checkups, making sure that they get immunized, making sure

that they are diagnosed if they've got eyesight problems, making sure that

they're taught proper nutrition to avoid a life of obesity -- those are all

issues that we have some control over. And if we're making those investments,

we will save huge amounts of money in the long-term.

 

Unfortunately, the hardest thing to do in politics -- and certainly in health

care reform -- has been to get policymakers to make investments early that will

have long-term payoffs. Because people -- their attitude is, well, I'll be out

of office by the time that kid grows up; and, the fact that they're healthy,

that doesn't help me. And in the private sector insurance system, oftentimes

insurers make the same calculation. Their attitude is, well, people change jobs

enough for us to pay for the preventive medicine now when the problem may not

crop up for another 20 years and they'll be long out of our system, so we don't

want to reimburse it because it will make things more costly. That's the logic

of our health care system that we're going to have to change.

 

The recovery package put a huge amount in prevention. We are, in our budget,

calling for significant increases in prevention. And my hope is, is that

working in a bipartisan fashion we are going to be able to get a health care

reform bill on my desk before the end of the year that will start seeing the

kinds of investments that will make everybody healthier. All right?

(Applause.)

 

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa

 

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

but he doesn't say that he considers om part of prevention. i really don't

believe we are even on the table or an agenda item for discussion in any

national health care plan.

 

kath

 

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <

angelapfa wrote:

 

>

>

> Thought this is interesting, if you want to look at the site,here is the

> link:

>

>

http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=7209:remarks\

-by-president-obama-in-arnold-missouri-town-hall-april-29-2009 & catid=88888983:la\

test-national-news & Itemid=88889930

>

> I cut and paste the interesting stuff:

>

> All right, go ahead.

>

> Q I'm a licensed acupuncturist and licensed massage therapist in

> Florissant. And so --

>

> THE PRESIDENT: I could use one right now. (Laughter.) My back is stiff.

> I've been working hard.

>

> Q I'll be happy to help you. (Laughter.) And this kind of fits into what

> you were just talking about as far as health care. I'm wondering, as a

> practitioner of Oriental medicine, knowing that the National Institutes of

> Health and the World Health Organization has discovered through their

> studies that alternative medicine often is more cost-effective and very

> effective, how will alternative medicine fit in your new health care

> program?

>

> THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, my attitude is that we should -- we should do

> what works. So I think it is pretty well documented through scientific

> studies that acupuncture, for example, can be very helpful in relieving

> certain things like migraines and other ailments -- or at least as effective

> as more intrusive interventions.

>

> I will let the science guide me. We just swore in an outstanding new

> Secretary of Health and Human Service, Kathleen Sebelius, former governor of

> Kansas. (Applause.) It's good to see that a Jay Hawk got applause on this

> side of the border here. (Laughter.) But she's going to do an outstanding

> job. And my charge to her is, as we're going through health care reform

> let's find out what works.

>

> I think one basic principle that we know is that the more we do on the

> prevention side, the more we can obtain serious savings down the road. So

> giving children early checkups, making sure that they get immunized, making

> sure that they are diagnosed if they've got eyesight problems, making sure

> that they're taught proper nutrition to avoid a life of obesity -- those are

> all issues that we have some control over. And if we're making those

> investments, we will save huge amounts of money in the long-term.

>

> Unfortunately, the hardest thing to do in politics -- and certainly in

> health care reform -- has been to get policymakers to make investments early

> that will have long-term payoffs. Because people -- their attitude is, well,

> I'll be out of office by the time that kid grows up; and, the fact that

> they're healthy, that doesn't help me. And in the private sector insurance

> system, oftentimes insurers make the same calculation. Their attitude is,

> well, people change jobs enough for us to pay for the preventive medicine

> now when the problem may not crop up for another 20 years and they'll be

> long out of our system, so we don't want to reimburse it because it will

> make things more costly. That's the logic of our health care system that

> we're going to have to change.

>

> The recovery package put a huge amount in prevention. We are, in our

> budget, calling for significant increases in prevention. And my hope is, is

> that working in a bipartisan fashion we are going to be able to get a health

> care reform bill on my desk before the end of the year that will start

> seeing the kinds of investments that will make everybody healthier. All

> right? (Applause.)

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net>

>

> www.InnerhealthSalem.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

And furthermore, if the national health care plan only looks at what

'scientific studies' have 'proven' without taking a hard and audacious look at

precisely what science is, how science works at a very fundamental level, how

'studies' are designed, how something like oriental medicine works and how the

very basics of scientific inquiry require a major upgrade, and WE don't stand up

en masse and shout that message from the rooftops loud and clear, then watch out

everyone - or acupuncture, even if it is covered will be relegated to technical

ghetto for the treatment of migraines and chemotherapy-induced nausea and that

will be just about it.Daniel

 

 

 

but he doesn't say that he considers om part of prevention. i really

don't

 

believe we are even on the table or an agenda item for discussion in any

 

national health care plan.

 

 

 

kath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I hate to say it, but pray that we aren't. Then we will have access to the

patients who are waiting in line for health care. The way this will be written

will probably be something like Canada. where if you are part of the system, you

have to take what you are given, and when, and alt med is not part of the

system, to speak of. At least that is what the Clintoncare model was. 

Practitioners for Canada. Are you included, even if not MD's, and how much is

paid for acupuncture, herbal medicine? 

 

David Molony

 

 

 

On May 4, 2009, at 7:11:13 PM, " "

wrote:

 

 

but he doesn't say that he considers om part of prevention. i really don't

believe we are even on the table or an agenda item for discussion in any

national health care plan.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Daniel.

My question now is, how do we do that effectively and " professionally " ? One

thing that N.D.'s and Chiro's deifnitely do well is produce persuasive internal

literature *for patients*. I personally am not so sure the media is the way to

go unless it is major nationwide positive converage (a la that surgeon and

oprah). It's be nice to have a multi-association approved set of high quality

information pamphlets that cover issues such as those you raise.

Again, these are not the regular type pamphelts that cover topics pretty much

anyone can recite ( " acupuncture involves qi and meridians " ), but rather

information sheets that tackle these subtler, deep problems for the patient

exclusively from our point of view.

Anyone up for this type of collaboration?

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Daniel Schulman <daniel.schulman

Chinese Medicine

Monday, 4 May, 2009 19:49:52

Re: Re: TCM: What Obama said....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And furthermore, if the national health care plan only looks at what 'scientific

studies' have 'proven' without taking a hard and audacious look at precisely

what science is, how science works at a very fundamental level, how 'studies'

are designed, how something like oriental medicine works and how the very basics

of scientific inquiry require a major upgrade, and WE don't stand up en masse

and shout that message from the rooftops loud and clear, then watch out everyone

- or acupuncture, even if it is covered will be relegated to technical ghetto

for the treatment of migraines and chemotherapy- induced nausea and that will be

just about it.Daniel

 

but he doesn't say that he considers om part of prevention. i really don't

 

believe we are even on the table or an agenda item for discussion in any

 

national health care plan.

 

kath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Becoming part of the recoginzed healthcare system is a difficult and costly

task. Chiropractors, Podiatrists and the like have been working on it for 100

years and remain largely on the outside - or at least as second class members of

the system. Acupuncture is unfortunately, a third class citizen, if you will.

That this is undeservidly so is of little consiquence when it comes time to be

paid or recoginzed. Whose responsability is that?

 

As nasty and frightening as the Swine flu pandemic is, it could be an

opportunity for recognition. What is required is good documentation of success,

concomitant treatment outcomes with allied professionals, and a lot of talking

about TCM/Acupuncture and the treatment/prevention of viral illnesses. And it

all needs to be done rapidly (like by this Fall).

 

Tamiflu cannot be the only therapy for flu. It will eventually become

ineffective and then what? Wait for the next wonder drug?

 

I know it's difficult to get recognition for the actual prevention of disease,

but how many of us have patients who were chronic allergy and cold sufferers

whose conditions are significantly improved every year with our care? There's

got to be millions out there. Their voices must be heard.

 

Treatment of viral conditions continues to be difficult utilizing Western only

methods. TCM/Acupuncture is a natural adjunct replete with anecdotal evidence

of success. We need to make the anecdotes documented evidence.

 

All it takes is a plethera of published case treatment articles, a massive email

campaign by satisfied patients and adjunctive professionals, and the will and

means to organize it all in a manner proper to present it to legislators! Wow!

 

Hang in there and keep doing what's best for people.

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Fully agree!

 

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preventive prescriptions to the Swine flue. Hope these will help.

 

here they are:

 

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--- On Thu, 5/7/09, William Morse, D.C., FIACA <drbill1325 wrote:

 

 

William Morse, D.C., FIACA <drbill1325

Re: TCM: What Obama said....

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:14 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Becoming part of the recoginzed healthcare system is a difficult and costly

task. Chiropractors, Podiatrists and the like have been working on it for 100

years and remain largely on the outside - or at least as second class members of

the system. Acupuncture is unfortunately, a third class citizen, if you will.

That this is undeservidly so is of little consiquence when it comes time to be

paid or recoginzed. Whose responsability is that?

 

As nasty and frightening as the Swine flu pandemic is, it could be an

opportunity for recognition. What is required is good documentation of success,

concomitant treatment outcomes with allied professionals, and a lot of talking

about TCM/Acupuncture and the treatment/preventio n of viral illnesses. And it

all needs to be done rapidly (like by this Fall).

 

Tamiflu cannot be the only therapy for flu. It will eventually become

ineffective and then what? Wait for the next wonder drug?

 

I know it's difficult to get recognition for the actual prevention of disease,

but how many of us have patients who were chronic allergy and cold sufferers

whose conditions are significantly improved every year with our care? There's

got to be millions out there. Their voices must be heard.

 

Treatment of viral conditions continues to be difficult utilizing Western only

methods. TCM/Acupuncture is a natural adjunct replete with anecdotal evidence of

success. We need to make the anecdotes documented evidence.

 

All it takes is a plethera of published case treatment articles, a massive email

campaign by satisfied patients and adjunctive professionals, and the will and

means to organize it all in a manner proper to present it to legislators! Wow!

 

Hang in there and keep doing what's best for people.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All:

 

--WM-

Tamiflu cannot be the only therapy for flu. It will eventually become

ineffective and then what? Wait for the next wonder drug?

---

 

The central component (Main ingredient) of Tamiflu is an extract of Star Anise

/ Ba Jiao. Shikimic acid is the part they are using, and while this acid is

widely available from most (all?) plants, it's greatest known concentration is

in Ba Jiao,a dn is currently the " industrial source " of shikimic acid for the

world, and yes, the source is in China.

 

Co-optation people, so what can we do about it?

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

________________________________

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bill,

 

What is the character encoding for this text?

When sending Chinese characters please use unicode or utf-8 or, at least, let us

know what the encoding is so we can view the text.

In addition, the url source of the web page would give us another way to access

the text.

I am not sure why forums garble the characters since emails in

Chinese from my friends are no problem.

 

David Klatt

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hugo

it already only works on some variants of the flu and should never be thought of

as a solution. While i have no doubt CM as well as other alternative medical

ideas can play a big role, we also need to remember that we are not dialed in

the system and many of us will become sick. If we want to play a role in any

true pandemic we need to set the groundwork now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alon:

 

I am not surprised that Tamiflu is not as effective as the big propaganda would

have us believe, but that is at least partially the simplisitic nature of the

formulation. I woudl never treat a flu using a single molecule from a single

herb. It's idiotic.

What do you suggest as far as laying ground work, Alon?

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Alon Marcus <alonmarcus

Chinese Medicine

Friday, 8 May, 2009 11:49:51

Re: TCM: What Obama said....

 

 

 

 

 

Hugo

it already only works on some variants of the flu and should never be thought of

as a solution. While i have no doubt CM as well as other alternative medical

ideas can play a big role, we also need to remember that we are not dialed in

the system and many of us will become sick. If we want to play a role in any

true pandemic we need to set the groundwork now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com

 

 

[Guest guest]

tamiflu had to have FDA add ons about the side effects of behavioral issues,

stemming from the 17 suicides hat took place from teeneagers on the drugs..Also,

the use of tamiflu will increase the very rise of mutations from its use, even

Dr. Sunjay Gupta reported that fact. So, those who take tamiflu, it will help

move the overstoked piles of Roche products and stuff even more money into

Rumsfield and General Schwatrz pockets but hose of him take it.....they endanger

the public and will add to the public health crisis.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

subincor

Thu, 7 May 2009 17:43:59 +0000

Re: Re: TCM: What Obama said....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi All:

 

--WM-

Tamiflu cannot be the only therapy for flu. It will eventually become

ineffective and then what? Wait for the next wonder drug?

---

 

The central component (Main ingredient) of Tamiflu is an extract of Star Anise /

Ba Jiao. Shikimic acid is the part they are using, and while this acid is widely

available from most (all?) plants, it's greatest known concentration is in Ba

Jiao,a dn is currently the " industrial source " of shikimic acid for the world,

and yes, the source is in China.

 

Co-optation people, so what can we do about it?

 

Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

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