vaccinate or not

April 25, 2009

Deciding to, or not to, vaccinate, is an act of faith, either way one chooses.

There are tremendous social pressures placed on people who don't. What I have

often noticed is that whenever there is an outbreak, usually measles, the blame

goes to the unvaccinated... but wondered why the vaccinated fall ill.

I want to add a personal story to this discussion: In the late 80's, while in

acupuncture school in Santa Fe, I studied homeopathy with Dr. Robin Murphy, ND.,

and just about the time my wife was pregnant, Dr. Murphy presented an infant and

his mom (a registered nurse!) to the class, a case of infantile paralysis, for a

clinical intake and discussion. After the intake, he thanked the mom, she left

and he discussed the case with us. The boy was as limp as a raggedy-ann doll,

and it was due to reactions, immediately after each of three rounds of

vaccinations the child had. I will never, ever, forget that child! Dr. Murphy

used an allegory, of sort, to drive the point across about the 2-3% risk of

adverse reactions (PDR, back then) to the vaccines. He asked how many MD's

would line up, if we asked a 100 of them to line up for a game of russian

roullete with 2 or 3 bullets in a pistol... or for that matter, how many of us

would take that kind of chance? Why, then, the children?

Last thing. Another MD, also a homeopath, put forth a theory... disregarding

the chemical make up of the vaccine... that perhaps if the mode of transmission

of the vaccine mimicked nature, it wouldn't be so harmful.

How many diseases enter directly, by injection, into the blood stream, past the

body's defenses?? None! They are transmitted through the upper orifices (nose,

mouth, maybe ears?), the lower orifices (anus, urinary tract), or broken skin.

We did not vaccinate my daughter. She will enter college soon, healthy, active,

having gone to public school in Texas.

Hope that helps.

David

Chinese Medicine , " Sami Rank LAc "

<herbsnacupnxr wrote:

>

> In regards to the mumps cases talked about early in the thread, they were all

in adult males. It has been documented that a)immunity from the vaccine is not

permanent and can ware off & b)childhood dz, when contracted by adults, have far

worse symptoms. If a child were to contract mumps, only 1% would suffer

infertility in one testicle (research by Randall Neudstaedter, one of our very

own--and he cites many sources).

>

> By vaccinating at an early age, we push the dz into adolecence or adulthood

when it is more dangerous, and give up the chance for natural immunity. This is

the same problem with the chicken pox vaccine.

>

> In regards to travel, my neighbors are moving to paraguay where measels and

diptheria abound. diptheria is particularly nasty and I supported their choice

in that vaccine, but their child, after recieving the MMR, contracted a case of

the measels for a week. The dr's office said they'd never seen anything like

that before. damned if you do, damned if you don't.

>

> As a parent it is not an easy decision but when you start researching and

weighing the odds, it comes down to what do you fear worse, the disease or the

documented cases of the vaccine reactions?

>

> and mercury is not the only ingredient that one should fear. but someone

already mentioned some of them (aluminum, formaldahyde, anti-biotics...) I think

she left out the anti-freeze, though... (no I'm not making a joke)

>

April 25, 2009

Hi. This is where this topic dropped off a couple years ago, altho it is

more lively and informed now. Something is going on here.

(some)Diseases, evil qi, microbes are transmissible, no doubt, wash your hands,

don't reuse needles. Don't be a vector.

Sanitation,

nutrition and absence of stress is conducive to resistance. But, lets

not be blind, vaccines can sometimes work. But mandated innoculations

are too much a big brother scenario. And not sleeping with someone with

aids or herpes lessens your chance of INFECTION, depending on who and

how you are at a time. Cleanliness in the operating room, as Listre

has shown, reduces mortality by 80%. Basic. But there is more to this.

And I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

Beliefs are fine, but how can both sides of this issue be right?

Is there a problem with the

impurities or toxins introduced with vaccines? Yes.

Is life cycle timing when they are introduced dangerous? Yes.

Are some more immune than others for either single or broad spectrum infections?

Yep.

Can vaccination protect from overwhelming infection? Yes.

Would

vaccination in ancient china have made the Shan Han Lun obsolete? No.

When these thing germinate, touch, they change. When they change,

evolve, the vaccine has to evolve. But not so fast...

I suspect

the truth and the help is in between. But we won't know until

everything is on the table and have a while to investigate it.

Meanwhile, we have good tools and teachers, we have to be the ones to subject

ourselves to our own medicine. See what happens

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, d1tarlo <d1tarlo wrote:

d1tarlo <d1tarlo

Re: vaccinate or not

Chinese Medicine

Friday, April 24, 2009, 10:25 PM

Deciding to, or not to, vaccinate, is an act of faith, either way one

chooses. There are tremendous social pressures placed on people who don't. What

I have often noticed is that whenever there is an outbreak, usually measles, the

blame goes to the unvaccinated. .. but wondered why the vaccinated fall ill.