Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - mystir Chinese Medicine Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Hi. The scenar is a great machine. --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: Donald Snow <don83407 RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. Respectfully, Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. reenahm Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. Reenah Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain Licensed Acupuncturist Specializing in Pain Relief 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com ____________ _________ _________ __ Kathy <Andrameada (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy All, I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? Thanks, Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. Georgetown, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Chinese Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407 > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think they have to be careful with the claims because of the FDA, but the devices can have a beneficial effect on many conditions; my understanding is that the treatment takes time (20 to 45 minutes), but not too much expertise. It's hard to compare devices; I am not sure the Skenars are superior to the stuff Starwynn is selling. It's too bad you can't rent these machines for 6 months or so; it's hard to know how much benefit they bestow. I mean, a lot of clients improve with very straight forward acupuncture, but then some clients don't and you wonder if any of these devices could make a difference. I have one of these Infratonic machines in the office, and can not encourage you to get one. It works well for inflammation, but only if you use it every day for about 20 minutes. I use it myself a lot, and some of my clients bought machines from me, but the frequency of treatment required is just not feasible. I also have an alpha stim, the kind that psychologists use for anxiety, same thing, the client needs to use it regularly, every day for about 20 minutes if they want tangible results. Generally, I think you can expect to get about half of the benefit that the seller/distributor is promising you, and if you are hard up for money I probably would not go into buying stuff like that. Probably depends if you are a gadget person or not.... Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Chinese Medicine Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:36 AM Re: Scenar Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Chinese Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407 > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 SCENARs are totally different than Starwynns therapies and Starwinns therapies are not Starwynns, they are Dr. David Wings' the inventor or TENs and MENs. Dr. Starwynn uses MET therapy as do I. But I use it much differently than he does. SCENAR therapy is not MET therapy. SCENAR and COSMODIC are two very different frequencies lumped under the SCENAR name because SCENAR is 1st generation and COSMODIC is 2nd generation SCENAR. SCENAR was used in the Russian Cosmonot program and was a Top Secret piece of medical equipment until 1997 when a physicist by the name of Alexander Karasev (it's creator) was able to patent the device. SCENAR stands for self controlling neuro-adaptive Regulator and it does just that. Dr. Karosev studied AOM theory in the early and mid-seventies and came up with this device and designed it using AOM theory. SCENAR works like this: The body has a problem that it can't deal with. The problem gets worse as time moves on. After a while the problem becomes chronic and the body simply stops trying to heal (adapt). When SCENAR is used on a chronic condition it adds to the pathology of that condition. In other words, to the body (CNS, immune system, etc) it makes the condition much worse than what it is. The body then puts its awareness and immune system to work very quickly to push through the healing adaptive process. This is one of the 5 ways that the needle in acupuncture works and that's why " sham " acupuncture works. There is no such thing as sham acupuncture, but I digress. SCENAR, then, is the frequency of the pathology and the body actually thinks it is communicating with another living system because the SCENAR impulse is the same impulse as a nerve impulse to the body. But an impulse the body cannot adapt to (which is the reason TENs does not work very well and I seldom use it). COSMODIC, on the other hand, is the frequency of regeneration. Imbedded in the COSMODIC wave frequency are packets of information frequencies that number 46. For clarity, picture a radio wave hitting the antenae of your radio, or better yet, your television. Embedded in these radio waves are packets of information that allow you to see a picture and hear a sound. COSMODIC is neat. It helps the body to use it's latent abilities on a cellular/DNA level (remember, how many chromasomes do we have? Alexander is surely onto something). This is COSMODIC, and I use both. SCENAR makes you what you were before you got hurt or ill, but cosmodic makes you better than you were. Put the COSMODIC frequency on a scar or a bone spur and watch what happens in just a short time. The tissue rematixes and the bone spur dissolves and goes away. What the body creates, it can uncreate. These are superlative, state-of-the-art space age technology and I use them freely. And my results are phenomenal. They are very expensive, and worth every penny in my practice. If you know where to look, you can get tons of information on these pieces of equipment off of the internet. You can also get a lot of research studies on this equipment as many MDs in Europe are using SCENAR instead of drugs when possible. No, they do not, and cannot, replace the needle (there are exceptions), but they enhance the needle and make herbs and drugs almost obsolete if you know what you are doing. SCENAR and COSMODIC are not a panacea, but they are fine tools to add to our arsenal. A tool is only as good as the person using it. Give me the same golf club Tiger Woods uses and I can guarantee you our results will be much different. This is my addition to the dialogue. Sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine angelapfa Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:35 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar I think they have to be careful with the claims because of the FDA, but the devices can have a beneficial effect on many conditions; my understanding is that the treatment takes time (20 to 45 minutes), but not too much expertise. It's hard to compare devices; I am not sure the Skenars are superior to the stuff Starwynn is selling. It's too bad you can't rent these machines for 6 months or so; it's hard to know how much benefit they bestow. I mean, a lot of clients improve with very straight forward acupuncture, but then some clients don't and you wonder if any of these devices could make a difference. I have one of these Infratonic machines in the office, and can not encourage you to get one. It works well for inflammation, but only if you use it every day for about 20 minutes. I use it myself a lot, and some of my clients bought machines from me, but the frequency of treatment required is just not feasible. I also have an alpha stim, the kind that psychologists use for anxiety, same thing, the client needs to use it regularly, every day for about 20 minutes if they want tangible results. Generally, I think you can expect to get about half of the benefit that the seller/distributor is promising you, and if you are hard up for money I probably would not go into buying stuff like that. Probably depends if you are a gadget person or not.... Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Chinese Medicine Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:36 AM Re: Scenar Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Chinese Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407 > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hi Donald, my addition to the dialogue: --DS- What the body creates, it can uncreate. --- " The funk can not only move, it can also re-move, dig? The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funksmanship! " - George Clinton, P-Funk / Parliament, " Swing low sweet chariot " Thanks for the informative post, Donald. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nice job,Don. --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: Donald Snow <don83407 RE: Re: Scenar Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:44 PM SCENARs are totally different than Starwynns therapies and Starwinns therapies are not Starwynns, they are Dr. David Wings' the inventor or TENs and MENs. Dr. Starwynn uses MET therapy as do I. But I use it much differently than he does. SCENAR therapy is not MET therapy. SCENAR and COSMODIC are two very different frequencies lumped under the SCENAR name because SCENAR is 1st generation and COSMODIC is 2nd generation SCENAR. SCENAR was used in the Russian Cosmonot program and was a Top Secret piece of medical equipment until 1997 when a physicist by the name of Alexander Karasev (it's creator) was able to patent the device. SCENAR stands for self controlling neuro-adaptive Regulator and it does just that. Dr. Karosev studied AOM theory in the early and mid-seventies and came up with this device and designed it using AOM theory. SCENAR works like this: The body has a problem that it can't deal with. The problem gets worse as time moves on. After a while the problem becomes chronic and the body simply stops trying to heal (adapt). When SCENAR is used on a chronic condition it adds to the pathology of that condition. In other words, to the body (CNS, immune system, etc) it makes the condition much worse than what it is. The body then puts its awareness and immune system to work very quickly to push through the healing adaptive process. This is one of the 5 ways that the needle in acupuncture works and that's why " sham " acupuncture works. There is no such thing as sham acupuncture, but I digress. SCENAR, then, is the frequency of the pathology and the body actually thinks it is communicating with another living system because the SCENAR impulse is the same impulse as a nerve impulse to the body. But an impulse the body cannot adapt to (which is the reason TENs does not work very well and I seldom use it). COSMODIC, on the other hand, is the frequency of regeneration. Imbedded in the COSMODIC wave frequency are packets of information frequencies that number 46. For clarity, picture a radio wave hitting the antenae of your radio, or better yet, your television. Embedded in these radio waves are packets of information that allow you to see a picture and hear a sound. COSMODIC is neat. It helps the body to use it's latent abilities on a cellular/DNA level (remember, how many chromasomes do we have? Alexander is surely onto something). This is COSMODIC, and I use both. SCENAR makes you what you were before you got hurt or ill, but cosmodic makes you better than you were. Put the COSMODIC frequency on a scar or a bone spur and watch what happens in just a short time. The tissue rematixes and the bone spur dissolves and goes away. What the body creates, it can uncreate. These are superlative, state-of-the- art space age technology and I use them freely. And my results are phenomenal. They are very expensive, and worth every penny in my practice. If you know where to look, you can get tons of information on these pieces of equipment off of the internet. You can also get a lot of research studies on this equipment as many MDs in Europe are using SCENAR instead of drugs when possible. No, they do not, and cannot, replace the needle (there are exceptions), but they enhance the needle and make herbs and drugs almost obsolete if you know what you are doing. SCENAR and COSMODIC are not a panacea, but they are fine tools to add to our arsenal. A tool is only as good as the person using it. Give me the same golf club Tiger Woods uses and I can guarantee you our results will be much different. This is my addition to the dialogue. Sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:35 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar I think they have to be careful with the claims because of the FDA, but the devices can have a beneficial effect on many conditions; my understanding is that the treatment takes time (20 to 45 minutes), but not too much expertise. It's hard to compare devices; I am not sure the Skenars are superior to the stuff Starwynn is selling. It's too bad you can't rent these machines for 6 months or so; it's hard to know how much benefit they bestow. I mean, a lot of clients improve with very straight forward acupuncture, but then some clients don't and you wonder if any of these devices could make a difference. I have one of these Infratonic machines in the office, and can not encourage you to get one. It works well for inflammation, but only if you use it every day for about 20 minutes. I use it myself a lot, and some of my clients bought machines from me, but the frequency of treatment required is just not feasible. I also have an alpha stim, the kind that psychologists use for anxiety, same thing, the client needs to use it regularly, every day for about 20 minutes if they want tangible results. Generally, I think you can expect to get about half of the benefit that the seller/distributor is promising you, and if you are hard up for money I probably would not go into buying stuff like that. Probably depends if you are a gadget person or not.... Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:36 AM Re: Scenar Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa@. ..> wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa@.. . > > www.InnerhealthSale m.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > traditional_ chinese_medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada@ austin. rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Thank you Don. I find it regrettable that there is so little info available about the devices, usually the manufacturers are the primary source. (and once they have your email they will market you constantly!) I am not really going to buy a LET 735 AND and an Acutron this year. (There are some Acutrons available from ebay right now for 1/2 their new price) So, I am not trying to compare them in any respect other than their potential usefulness to my practice, and the benefits they can bestow in terms of pain relief. I think the usefulness of a machine would increase if I could get an assistant to use it. Reading Starwynn's article in the last copy of AcupunctureToday suggests that this is not really feasible with the Acutron. Do you have a preference of one over the other? Do you use both machines? Like in the same treatment? Or how do you decide which one is right for a particular client? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - mystir Chinese Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:12 PM RE: Re: Scenar Nice job,Don. --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: Donald Snow <don83407 RE: Re: Scenar Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:44 PM SCENARs are totally different than Starwynns therapies and Starwinns therapies are not Starwynns, they are Dr. David Wings' the inventor or TENs and MENs. Dr. Starwynn uses MET therapy as do I. But I use it much differently than he does. SCENAR therapy is not MET therapy. SCENAR and COSMODIC are two very different frequencies lumped under the SCENAR name because SCENAR is 1st generation and COSMODIC is 2nd generation SCENAR. SCENAR was used in the Russian Cosmonot program and was a Top Secret piece of medical equipment until 1997 when a physicist by the name of Alexander Karasev (it's creator) was able to patent the device. SCENAR stands for self controlling neuro-adaptive Regulator and it does just that. Dr. Karosev studied AOM theory in the early and mid-seventies and came up with this device and designed it using AOM theory. SCENAR works like this: The body has a problem that it can't deal with. The problem gets worse as time moves on. After a while the problem becomes chronic and the body simply stops trying to heal (adapt). When SCENAR is used on a chronic condition it adds to the pathology of that condition. In other words, to the body (CNS, immune system, etc) it makes the condition much worse than what it is. The body then puts its awareness and immune system to work very quickly to push through the healing adaptive process. This is one of the 5 ways that the needle in acupuncture works and that's why " sham " acupuncture works. There is no such thing as sham acupuncture, but I digress. SCENAR, then, is the frequency of the pathology and the body actually thinks it is communicating with another living system because the SCENAR impulse is the same impulse as a nerve impulse to the body. But an impulse the body cannot adapt to (which is the reason TENs does not work very well and I seldom use it). COSMODIC, on the other hand, is the frequency of regeneration. Imbedded in the COSMODIC wave frequency are packets of information frequencies that number 46. For clarity, picture a radio wave hitting the antenae of your radio, or better yet, your television. Embedded in these radio waves are packets of information that allow you to see a picture and hear a sound. COSMODIC is neat. It helps the body to use it's latent abilities on a cellular/DNA level (remember, how many chromasomes do we have? Alexander is surely onto something). This is COSMODIC, and I use both. SCENAR makes you what you were before you got hurt or ill, but cosmodic makes you better than you were. Put the COSMODIC frequency on a scar or a bone spur and watch what happens in just a short time. The tissue rematixes and the bone spur dissolves and goes away. What the body creates, it can uncreate. These are superlative, state-of-the- art space age technology and I use them freely. And my results are phenomenal. They are very expensive, and worth every penny in my practice. If you know where to look, you can get tons of information on these pieces of equipment off of the internet. You can also get a lot of research studies on this equipment as many MDs in Europe are using SCENAR instead of drugs when possible. No, they do not, and cannot, replace the needle (there are exceptions), but they enhance the needle and make herbs and drugs almost obsolete if you know what you are doing. SCENAR and COSMODIC are not a panacea, but they are fine tools to add to our arsenal. A tool is only as good as the person using it. Give me the same golf club Tiger Woods uses and I can guarantee you our results will be much different. This is my addition to the dialogue. Sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:35 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar I think they have to be careful with the claims because of the FDA, but the devices can have a beneficial effect on many conditions; my understanding is that the treatment takes time (20 to 45 minutes), but not too much expertise. It's hard to compare devices; I am not sure the Skenars are superior to the stuff Starwynn is selling. It's too bad you can't rent these machines for 6 months or so; it's hard to know how much benefit they bestow. I mean, a lot of clients improve with very straight forward acupuncture, but then some clients don't and you wonder if any of these devices could make a difference. I have one of these Infratonic machines in the office, and can not encourage you to get one. It works well for inflammation, but only if you use it every day for about 20 minutes. I use it myself a lot, and some of my clients bought machines from me, but the frequency of treatment required is just not feasible. I also have an alpha stim, the kind that psychologists use for anxiety, same thing, the client needs to use it regularly, every day for about 20 minutes if they want tangible results. Generally, I think you can expect to get about half of the benefit that the seller/distributor is promising you, and if you are hard up for money I probably would not go into buying stuff like that. Probably depends if you are a gadget person or not.... Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:36 AM Re: Scenar Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa@. ..> wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa@.. . > > www.InnerhealthSale m.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > traditional_ chinese_medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada@ austin. rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yes Angela, I have 3 MET machines and 3 SCENAR/COSMODIC devices. I have used the acutron and I personally don't care for it. I prefer the My-O-Matic I or the ElectroAcuscopes. I modify the My-o-matics to support the acuscope probes as I hate Q-tip probes, which is what the acutron uses. I don't know what Dr. Starwynn's is talking about. I have 4 assistants and they work out beautifully. Once they are trained up, all I have to do is the needling. They use the equipment and do the charting for billing. The record then goes to the receptionist and from their to the billing department if they have insurance. Assistants let me see more patients and of course, they get the same results as me most of the time because I trained them. On the rare occasion that their treatment outcome is less than stellar, they come get me and I then take care of the problem. Remember, when getting advice from someone, even me, you are only getting an opinion. I happen to respectfully disagree with Starwynn. MET therapy, once you know what you are doing, is easy but very time-consuming. I feel MET therapy is more of a technicians job and I supervise the techs. By the way, LET is an excellent web site for info on SCENARs and they have never tried marketing anything to me. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine angelapfa Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:40:06 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar Thank you Don. I find it regrettable that there is so little info available about the devices, usually the manufacturers are the primary source. (and once they have your email they will market you constantly!) I am not really going to buy a LET 735 AND and an Acutron this year. (There are some Acutrons available from ebay right now for 1/2 their new price) So, I am not trying to compare them in any respect other than their potential usefulness to my practice, and the benefits they can bestow in terms of pain relief. I think the usefulness of a machine would increase if I could get an assistant to use it. Reading Starwynn's article in the last copy of AcupunctureToday suggests that this is not really feasible with the Acutron. Do you have a preference of one over the other? Do you use both machines? Like in the same treatment? Or how do you decide which one is right for a particular client? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - mystir Chinese Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:12 PM RE: Re: Scenar Nice job,Don. --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: Donald Snow <don83407 RE: Re: Scenar Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:44 PM SCENARs are totally different than Starwynns therapies and Starwinns therapies are not Starwynns, they are Dr. David Wings' the inventor or TENs and MENs. Dr. Starwynn uses MET therapy as do I. But I use it much differently than he does. SCENAR therapy is not MET therapy. SCENAR and COSMODIC are two very different frequencies lumped under the SCENAR name because SCENAR is 1st generation and COSMODIC is 2nd generation SCENAR. SCENAR was used in the Russian Cosmonot program and was a Top Secret piece of medical equipment until 1997 when a physicist by the name of Alexander Karasev (it's creator) was able to patent the device. SCENAR stands for self controlling neuro-adaptive Regulator and it does just that. Dr. Karosev studied AOM theory in the early and mid-seventies and came up with this device and designed it using AOM theory. SCENAR works like this: The body has a problem that it can't deal with. The problem gets worse as time moves on. After a while the problem becomes chronic and the body simply stops trying to heal (adapt). When SCENAR is used on a chronic condition it adds to the pathology of that condition. In other words, to the body (CNS, immune system, etc) it makes the condition much worse than what it is. The body then puts its awareness and immune system to work very quickly to push through the healing adaptive process. This is one of the 5 ways that the needle in acupuncture works and that's why " sham " acupuncture works. There is no such thing as sham acupuncture, but I digress. SCENAR, then, is the frequency of the pathology and the body actually thinks it is communicating with another living system because the SCENAR impulse is the same impulse as a nerve impulse to the body. But an impulse the body cannot adapt to (which is the reason TENs does not work very well and I seldom use it). COSMODIC, on the other hand, is the frequency of regeneration. Imbedded in the COSMODIC wave frequency are packets of information frequencies that number 46. For clarity, picture a radio wave hitting the antenae of your radio, or better yet, your television. Embedded in these radio waves are packets of information that allow you to see a picture and hear a sound. COSMODIC is neat. It helps the body to use it's latent abilities on a cellular/DNA level (remember, how many chromasomes do we have? Alexander is surely onto something). This is COSMODIC, and I use both. SCENAR makes you what you were before you got hurt or ill, but cosmodic makes you better than you were. Put the COSMODIC frequency on a scar or a bone spur and watch what happens in just a short time. The tissue rematixes and the bone spur dissolves and goes away. What the body creates, it can uncreate. These are superlative, state-of-the- art space age technology and I use them freely. And my results are phenomenal. They are very expensive, and worth every penny in my practice. If you know where to look, you can get tons of information on these pieces of equipment off of the internet. You can also get a lot of research studies on this equipment as many MDs in Europe are using SCENAR instead of drugs when possible. No, they do not, and cannot, replace the needle (there are exceptions), but they enhance the needle and make herbs and drugs almost obsolete if you know what you are doing. SCENAR and COSMODIC are not a panacea, but they are fine tools to add to our arsenal. A tool is only as good as the person using it. Give me the same golf club Tiger Woods uses and I can guarantee you our results will be much different. This is my addition to the dialogue. Sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:35 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar I think they have to be careful with the claims because of the FDA, but the devices can have a beneficial effect on many conditions; my understanding is that the treatment takes time (20 to 45 minutes), but not too much expertise. It's hard to compare devices; I am not sure the Skenars are superior to the stuff Starwynn is selling. It's too bad you can't rent these machines for 6 months or so; it's hard to know how much benefit they bestow. I mean, a lot of clients improve with very straight forward acupuncture, but then some clients don't and you wonder if any of these devices could make a difference. I have one of these Infratonic machines in the office, and can not encourage you to get one. It works well for inflammation, but only if you use it every day for about 20 minutes. I use it myself a lot, and some of my clients bought machines from me, but the frequency of treatment required is just not feasible. I also have an alpha stim, the kind that psychologists use for anxiety, same thing, the client needs to use it regularly, every day for about 20 minutes if they want tangible results. Generally, I think you can expect to get about half of the benefit that the seller/distributor is promising you, and if you are hard up for money I probably would not go into buying stuff like that. Probably depends if you are a gadget person or not.... Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:36 AM Re: Scenar Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa@. ..> wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa@.. . > > www.InnerhealthSale m.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > traditional_ chinese_medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada@ austin. rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sorry Angela about this follow-up email. But I left out some salient information in my last response. If you are treating mainly musculoskeletal pain, buy the MET equipment as this is better for pain than SCENAR. If you are talking internal medicine problems and neurological problems, the SCENAR is the way to go. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow Chinese Medicine angelapfa Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:40:06 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar Thank you Don. I find it regrettable that there is so little info available about the devices, usually the manufacturers are the primary source. (and once they have your email they will market you constantly!) I am not really going to buy a LET 735 AND and an Acutron this year. (There are some Acutrons available from ebay right now for 1/2 their new price) So, I am not trying to compare them in any respect other than their potential usefulness to my practice, and the benefits they can bestow in terms of pain relief. I think the usefulness of a machine would increase if I could get an assistant to use it. Reading Starwynn's article in the last copy of AcupunctureToday suggests that this is not really feasible with the Acutron. Do you have a preference of one over the other? Do you use both machines? Like in the same treatment? Or how do you decide which one is right for a particular client? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - mystir Chinese Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:12 PM RE: Re: Scenar Nice job,Don. --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: Donald Snow <don83407 RE: Re: Scenar Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:44 PM SCENARs are totally different than Starwynns therapies and Starwinns therapies are not Starwynns, they are Dr. David Wings' the inventor or TENs and MENs. Dr. Starwynn uses MET therapy as do I. But I use it much differently than he does. SCENAR therapy is not MET therapy. SCENAR and COSMODIC are two very different frequencies lumped under the SCENAR name because SCENAR is 1st generation and COSMODIC is 2nd generation SCENAR. SCENAR was used in the Russian Cosmonot program and was a Top Secret piece of medical equipment until 1997 when a physicist by the name of Alexander Karasev (it's creator) was able to patent the device. SCENAR stands for self controlling neuro-adaptive Regulator and it does just that. Dr. Karosev studied AOM theory in the early and mid-seventies and came up with this device and designed it using AOM theory. SCENAR works like this: The body has a problem that it can't deal with. The problem gets worse as time moves on. After a while the problem becomes chronic and the body simply stops trying to heal (adapt). When SCENAR is used on a chronic condition it adds to the pathology of that condition. In other words, to the body (CNS, immune system, etc) it makes the condition much worse than what it is. The body then puts its awareness and immune system to work very quickly to push through the healing adaptive process. This is one of the 5 ways that the needle in acupuncture works and that's why " sham " acupuncture works. There is no such thing as sham acupuncture, but I digress. SCENAR, then, is the frequency of the pathology and the body actually thinks it is communicating with another living system because the SCENAR impulse is the same impulse as a nerve impulse to the body. But an impulse the body cannot adapt to (which is the reason TENs does not work very well and I seldom use it). COSMODIC, on the other hand, is the frequency of regeneration. Imbedded in the COSMODIC wave frequency are packets of information frequencies that number 46. For clarity, picture a radio wave hitting the antenae of your radio, or better yet, your television. Embedded in these radio waves are packets of information that allow you to see a picture and hear a sound. COSMODIC is neat. It helps the body to use it's latent abilities on a cellular/DNA level (remember, how many chromasomes do we have? Alexander is surely onto something). This is COSMODIC, and I use both. SCENAR makes you what you were before you got hurt or ill, but cosmodic makes you better than you were. Put the COSMODIC frequency on a scar or a bone spur and watch what happens in just a short time. The tissue rematixes and the bone spur dissolves and goes away. What the body creates, it can uncreate. These are superlative, state-of-the- art space age technology and I use them freely. And my results are phenomenal. They are very expensive, and worth every penny in my practice. If you know where to look, you can get tons of information on these pieces of equipment off of the internet. You can also get a lot of research studies on this equipment as many MDs in Europe are using SCENAR instead of drugs when possible. No, they do not, and cannot, replace the needle (there are exceptions), but they enhance the needle and make herbs and drugs almost obsolete if you know what you are doing. SCENAR and COSMODIC are not a panacea, but they are fine tools to add to our arsenal. A tool is only as good as the person using it. Give me the same golf club Tiger Woods uses and I can guarantee you our results will be much different. This is my addition to the dialogue. Sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:35 -0700 Re: Re: Scenar I think they have to be careful with the claims because of the FDA, but the devices can have a beneficial effect on many conditions; my understanding is that the treatment takes time (20 to 45 minutes), but not too much expertise. It's hard to compare devices; I am not sure the Skenars are superior to the stuff Starwynn is selling. It's too bad you can't rent these machines for 6 months or so; it's hard to know how much benefit they bestow. I mean, a lot of clients improve with very straight forward acupuncture, but then some clients don't and you wonder if any of these devices could make a difference. I have one of these Infratonic machines in the office, and can not encourage you to get one. It works well for inflammation, but only if you use it every day for about 20 minutes. I use it myself a lot, and some of my clients bought machines from me, but the frequency of treatment required is just not feasible. I also have an alpha stim, the kind that psychologists use for anxiety, same thing, the client needs to use it regularly, every day for about 20 minutes if they want tangible results. Generally, I think you can expect to get about half of the benefit that the seller/distributor is promising you, and if you are hard up for money I probably would not go into buying stuff like that. Probably depends if you are a gadget person or not.... Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:36 AM Re: Scenar Hi All, Please excuse the ignorance. Are you using the Scenar unit for neuropathy only? Does it have other indications? Pain, etc. I could not find much info on the website. Thanks for your help, Dave Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa@. ..> wrote: > > The Russian LET machines are about 3x the price of the Acuscen, about 6000 versus 2000 $US; I keep going back and forth if this is really representing a better value in the performance of the devices. Has anyone used both and can offer any comparisons? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa@.. . > > www.InnerhealthSale m.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > mystir > > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:23 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > > > > > Hi. The scenar is a great machine. > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407@.. .> > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > traditional_ chinese_medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:44 PM > > Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > reenahm > > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Specializing in Pain Relief > > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > > visit http://WWW.healinge nergycenter. com or http://www.acuneuro .com or http://www.mcgillpa inclinic. com > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kathy <Andrameada@ austin. rr.com> > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. > > I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. > > Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? > > Thanks, > > Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. > > Georgetown, TX > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.