Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi Don and others, does anyone have an opinion on Scenar versus Acuscen? What percentage of patients do you use it on? It seems to be difficult to get any training, how did you deal with that? Does anyone out there want to sell a used unit? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Donald Snow Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:44 AM RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. Respectfully, Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine reenahm Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. Reenah Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain Licensed Acupuncturist Specializing in Pain Relief 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell visit http://WWW.healingenergycenter.com or http://www.acuneuro.com or http://www.mcgillpainclinic.com ________________________________ Kathy <Andrameada Chinese Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy All, I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? Thanks, Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. Georgetown, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 I received no training on the SCENAR and if you know anything of Oriental Medical theory you need no training. Indeed, I train folks in my clinic to use them. I use the SCENAR on all patients, but I don't use it to dose and I don't charge for it unless it is the main therapeutic device. ACUSCEN is a good device that does require training as it is a SCENAR-only device. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, LAc Chinese Medicine angelapfa Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:33:02 -0700 SCENAR Hi Don and others, does anyone have an opinion on Scenar versus Acuscen? What percentage of patients do you use it on? It seems to be difficult to get any training, how did you deal with that? Does anyone out there want to sell a used unit? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Donald Snow Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:44 AM RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. Respectfully, Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine reenahm Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. Reenah Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain Licensed Acupuncturist Specializing in Pain Relief 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell visit http://WWW.healingenergycenter.com or http://www.acuneuro.com or http://www.mcgillpainclinic.com ________________________________ Kathy <Andrameada Chinese Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy All, I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? Thanks, Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. Georgetown, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Don, which one of the devices are you using? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Donald Snow Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:28 PM RE: SCENAR I received no training on the SCENAR and if you know anything of Oriental Medical theory you need no training. Indeed, I train folks in my clinic to use them. I use the SCENAR on all patients, but I don't use it to dose and I don't charge for it unless it is the main therapeutic device. ACUSCEN is a good device that does require training as it is a SCENAR-only device. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, LAc Chinese Medicine angelapfa Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:33:02 -0700 SCENAR Hi Don and others, does anyone have an opinion on Scenar versus Acuscen? What percentage of patients do you use it on? It seems to be difficult to get any training, how did you deal with that? Does anyone out there want to sell a used unit? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Donald Snow Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:44 AM RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. Respectfully, Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine reenahm Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. Reenah Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain Licensed Acupuncturist Specializing in Pain Relief 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell visit http://WWW.healingenergycenter.com or http://www.acuneuro.com or http://www.mcgillpainclinic.com ________________________________ Kathy <Andrameada Chinese Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy All, I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? Thanks, Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. Georgetown, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I use only LET Medical devices. I have two 705s and I EX 735 M. Don Chinese Medicine angelapfa Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:11:32 -0700 Re: SCENAR Don, which one of the devices are you using? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Donald Snow Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:28 PM RE: SCENAR I received no training on the SCENAR and if you know anything of Oriental Medical theory you need no training. Indeed, I train folks in my clinic to use them. I use the SCENAR on all patients, but I don't use it to dose and I don't charge for it unless it is the main therapeutic device. ACUSCEN is a good device that does require training as it is a SCENAR-only device. Sincerely, Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, LAc Chinese Medicine angelapfa Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:33:02 -0700 SCENAR Hi Don and others, does anyone have an opinion on Scenar versus Acuscen? What percentage of patients do you use it on? It seems to be difficult to get any training, how did you deal with that? Does anyone out there want to sell a used unit? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Donald Snow Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:44 AM RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. Respectfully, Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine reenahm Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. Reenah Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain Licensed Acupuncturist Specializing in Pain Relief 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell visit http://WWW.healingenergycenter.com or http://www.acuneuro.com or http://www.mcgillpainclinic.com ________________________________ Kathy <Andrameada Chinese Medicine Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy All, I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning sensations with reddening of the feet in both feet, reaching above the ankle to mid-shin. She is a 75 year old, with weak, slow pulses, tongue is pale and thin coated. She tends to cold and is slightly overweight. I have diagnosed phlegm in channels and wind; I've started using Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang to treat her, as I've had luck with using this with stroke patients with neuropathy. Needling, I use scalp points threading across channels from the Sensory line to motor lines, and local points to benefit blood and expel wind. Has anyone else treated this type of presentation, and what worked for you? Thanks, Kathy Kerr, L.Ac. Georgetown, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 ---I use Russian Scenar Professional. Is it better that Acuscen? Scenar was developed in early 70s. In Russia they keep enhancing it. There are many research papers done on Scenar. In Europe Scenar is used widely. They have Scenar societies in different countries, including Canada. It is FDA approved... I use it at the end of treatments with probably 50% of patients, when I am not doing moxa... The results I get usually fast and long standing... The was just a few days ago Scenar training in Texas. The guy who developed it came to teach people how to use it. It may be used as very simple device or as very complicated with many possibilities tool, if you learn it the results of treating ppeople can be very impressive. That guy brought discs with research on different diseases. Howevwer, for me Oriental Medicine is first, everything else even the best machines are only on secondary in the treatment. With respect, Tatiana Gaidarenko > > Hi Don and others, does anyone have an opinion on Scenar versus Acuscen? What percentage of patients do you use it on? It seems to be difficult to get any training, how did you deal with that? Does anyone out there want to sell a used unit? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > Donald Snow > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:44 AM > RE: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy Idiopathic neuropathy is relatively easy to treat with pachi-pachi estim on the affected sites. The results are instantaneous but will slowly reverse. Usually, this problem is resolved in 8 to 12 treatments. I combine pachi-pachi with Russian SCENAR therapy for quicker, more thorough, and more long lasting results. The results are that around 98% of the patients respond to the dual therapy. Neuropathy from Chemo is the most difficult to resolve and I have only a 50% success rate with this and of those 50%, I've never gotten 100% relief. Usually only 80 to 90% relief. Hope this helps. > > Respectfully, > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > Chinese Medicine > reenahm > Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:21:30 -0700 > Re: Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > Alp[ha lipoic acid is a good addition to what you are doing. Usually I start with double the recommended dose for 1 - 2 weeks and then slowly back down to recommended dose. It can take up to 4 weeks to feel a noticeable difference. > Reenah > > Dr. Reenah McGill Relieving Your pain > Licensed Acupuncturist > Specializing in Pain Relief > 323.668.0278 land ph - 323.668.2206 fax - 818-378-9882 cell > visit http://WWW.healingenergycenter.com or http://www.acuneuro.com or http://www.mcgillpainclinic.com > > ________________________________ > Kathy <Andrameada > Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26:00 AM > Treatment methods for idiopathic neuropathy > > All, > I have a patient dignosed with idiopathic neuropathy who presents with " pins and needles " sensations in both legs, from toes to mid-thigh and burning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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