Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Some close friends of mine have a 2 year-old boy who has had nose bleeds since he was very young. They are fairly profuse. Last night he had one that lasted for 45 minutes. He also tends to constipation. I have given some dietary advice focussing on cooling, moistening foods (for both nose bleeds and constipation), suggested use of a humidifier during the winter when the heat is on, and gave them Kan's " Easy Going " formula in their Gentle Warriors line for short-term use when constipated. I am going to consider a constitutional formula, but I would like to give them something to have on hand similarly for short-term use when he has a nose bleed. Any opinions on what the best/easiest herbal (or other) remedy for nose bleed is, especially in toddlers? Thanks! Fiamma Sita Aaron, L.Ac., C.A., Dipl. O.M. Acupuncturist & Practitioner of Traditional Oriental Medicine 105 North Third Avenue, Highland Park NJ 08904 732-979-8766 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Jin Gui Yao Lue covers many valuable formulas and will inspire we tcm doctors to deal with many miscellaneous diseases, for example, nosebleed. In the chapter of nosebleed, line 17 states, " For heart qi instability manifesting with blood ejection and nosebleed, use Xie Xin Tang (Heart-Draining Decoction). In the formula, huang lian (coptis) acts to drain heat in the heart, huang qin drains heat in the upper, and da huang drains heat through purgation. Once the internal fire has descended, the blood will also be checked. If the pathomechanism is heart fire exuberance, it should fit the said patient, as you mentioned <<< nose bleeds are fairly profuse. Last night he had one that lasted for 45 minutes. He also tends to constipation.>>> My 2 cents, SUNG, Yuk-ming PhD(Chengdu U TCM), PCEd (HKU), BA(Houston), L Ac (Hong Kong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Hi Fiamma, I remember one of our teachers talking about stopping nosebleeds by wrapping a cord or other long, flexible item (scarf, etc.) tightly around the hand - making sure to cover SI-3 and LI-4. I forget his name, but he was our biophysics teacher - he learned this technique in his aikido dojo, which was his passion. Blessings, Andrea Beth Traditional Oriental Medicine Happy Hours in the CALM Center 635 S. 10th St. Cottonwood, AZ 86326 (928) 274-1373 --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Fiamma Aaron <fiammasita wrote: Fiamma Aaron <fiammasita toddler with nose bleeds " pcoM Alumni " <alumni, Chinese Medicine Friday, April 10, 2009, 2:17 PM Some close friends of mine have a 2 year-old boy who has had nose bleeds since he was very young. They are fairly profuse. Last night he had one that lasted for 45 minutes. He also tends to constipation. I have given some dietary advice focussing on cooling, moistening foods (for both nose bleeds and constipation), suggested use of a humidifier during the winter when the heat is on, and gave them Kan's " Easy Going " formula in their Gentle Warriors line for short-term use when constipated. I am going to consider a constitutional formula, but I would like to give them something to have on hand similarly for short-term use when he has a nose bleed. Any opinions on what the best/easiest herbal (or other) remedy for nose bleed is, especially in toddlers? Thanks! Fiamma Sita Aaron, L.Ac., C.A., Dipl. O.M. Acupuncturist & Practitioner of Traditional Oriental Medicine 105 North Third Avenue, Highland Park NJ 08904 732-979-8766 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 As a student I watched a child be treated for several years with Herbs and acu for several issues, including nose bleeds. When I saw her myself when I was licensed, nosebleeds were still occurring and I gave them flax seed oil, which has Vit K in it, among other valuable properties, and she never had a nosebleed again. Laura Cooley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Laura, thank you for sharing your finding about what flax seed oil can do to nosebleeds (fr another modality). Can you explain why it works? However, tcm as a medical system has its theoretical base. There are explanations for every protocol, as they have been experimented repeatedly over the past hundreds of years. I would say over 6 out of 10 nosebleeds patients will be cured with huang lian, da huang etc. We, as tcm doctors can comfortably depend ourselves in courts if things went wrong. We do not know why someone you knew couldn't treat this condition as you mentioned. I am pretty upset if overheard someone say some conditions cannot be treated with tcm. Well, tcm can treat many conditions, it is the practitioners who haven't mastered the experiences yet. Experiences that are only passed fr mentors to their apprentice. SUNG, Yuk-ming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Vit k is a component of Flax seed, it is a blood clotting agent. Those on blood thinners cannot take it without constant monitoring of their blood thinner levels in the blood. The person who prescribed herbs for this child was a translator of Chinese Medical texts, having lived in Taiwan for some years, studying herbs. I do not recall details as it was almost 17 years ago. The child was helped in many other ways, but this condition did not resolve until Flax Seed Oil was ingested. I have also found that Flax seed oil eliminated severe stiffness from osteo arthritis. I ingested freshly cooked herbal teas for 5 years, continued on freeze dried teas for some years, and then tablets. My pain and arthritis improved dramatically, but the stiffness did not go away until I took flax seed oil. A therapeutic dose is 3-5 tablespoons per day. That put weight on me, and I eventually found Krill oil, which is cheaper, and dose is much lower. It seems to work as well. According to Health Concerns Literature, the balance of EFAs in Krill is more complete for humans than fish oils. It also does not repeat on, meaning that when you burp you do not taste it, as happens with fish oils. Chinese medicine changed my life dramatically, but I am not adverse to using other plant/animal forms for healing myself. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 One of the first things I would do is make sure he is drinking enough water. Lack of water can cause both constipation as well as nose bleeds. ---------- Dr Richard Kramer 773.747.8798 <kramer kramer _________ _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Fiamma Aaron Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:17 AM pcoM Alumni; Chinese Medicine toddler with nose bleeds Some close friends of mine have a 2 year-old boy who has had nose bleeds since he was very young. They are fairly profuse. Last night he had one that lasted for 45 minutes. He also tends to constipation. I have given some dietary advice focussing on cooling, moistening foods (for both nose bleeds and constipation), suggested use of a humidifier during the winter when the heat is on, and gave them Kan's " Easy Going " formula in their Gentle Warriors line for short-term use when constipated. I am going to consider a constitutional formula, but I would like to give them something to have on hand similarly for short-term use when he has a nose bleed. Any opinions on what the best/easiest herbal (or other) remedy for nose bleed is, especially in toddlers? Thanks! Fiamma Sita Aaron, L.Ac., C.A., Dipl. O.M. Acupuncturist & Practitioner of Traditional Oriental Medicine 105 North Third Avenue, Highland Park NJ 08904 732-979-8766 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 anybody used it in pet ? Chinese Medicine , Laura Cooley <lauramon wrote: > > Vit k is a component of Flax seed, it is a blood clotting agent. > Those on blood thinners cannot take it without constant monitoring of > their blood thinner levels in the blood. The person who prescribed > herbs for this child was a translator of Chinese Medical texts, > having lived in Taiwan for some years, studying herbs. I do not > recall details as it was almost 17 years ago. The child was helped in > many other ways, but this condition did not resolve until Flax Seed > Oil was ingested. I have also found that Flax seed oil eliminated > severe stiffness from osteo arthritis. I ingested freshly cooked > herbal teas for 5 years, continued on freeze dried teas for some > years, and then tablets. My pain and arthritis improved > dramatically, but the stiffness did not go away until I took flax > seed oil. A therapeutic dose is 3-5 tablespoons per day. That put > weight on me, and I eventually found Krill oil, which is cheaper, and > dose is much lower. It seems to work as well. According to Health > Concerns Literature, the balance of EFAs in Krill is more complete > for humans than fish oils. It also does not repeat on, meaning that > when you burp you do not taste it, as happens with fish oils. > Chinese medicine changed my life dramatically, but I am not adverse > to using other plant/animal forms for healing myself. > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Chinese Medicine , Laura Cooley <lauramon wrote: > > Vit k is a component of Flax seed, it is a blood clotting agent. > Those on blood thinners cannot take it without constant monitoring of > their blood thinner levels in the blood. The person who prescribed > herbs for this child was a translator of Chinese Medical texts, > having lived in Taiwan for some years, studying herbs. I do not > recall details as it was almost 17 years ago. The child was helped in > many other ways, but this condition did not resolve until Flax Seed > Oil was ingested. I have also found that Flax seed oil eliminated > severe stiffness from osteo arthritis. I ingested freshly cooked > herbal teas for 5 years, continued on freeze dried teas for some > years, and then tablets. My pain and arthritis improved > dramatically, but the stiffness did not go away until I took flax > seed oil. A therapeutic dose is 3-5 tablespoons per day. That put > weight on me, and I eventually found Krill oil, which is cheaper, and > dose is much lower. It seems to work as well. According to Health > Concerns Literature, the balance of EFAs in Krill is more complete > for humans than fish oils. It also does not repeat on, meaning that > when you burp you do not taste it, as happens with fish oils. > Chinese medicine changed my life dramatically, but I am not adverse > to using other plant/animal forms for healing myself. > > Laura > This is great information thank you so much Laura! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Your welcome. I still find that if I stop taking it, within about 2 weeks my joints are not feeling as well. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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