Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 getting people off of machines completely? please share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 It depends on why they have apnea.....if they are overweight they have to lose weight, if they have an enlarged uvula herbs and acupuncture may help. If it is for an unknown reason the tcm will have success again if there is a good tcm diagnosis. Be well, Bob --- On Wed, 4/8/09, wrote: sleep apnea success? Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:13 PM getting people off of machines completely? please share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 look at food allergies --- On Wed, 4/8/09, wrote: sleep apnea success? Chinese Medicine Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:13 PM getting people off of machines completely? please share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Chinese Medicine , " " wrote: > > getting people off of machines completely? please share! > Holmes Keikobad has a very interesting seminar on sleep apnea using five a five element approach. I haven't had the opportunity to use the information, but, it's well worth checking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I understand that good differential diagnosis is key in treating any condition. That's not my question. My question is...has anyone out there had a sleep apnea patient have full resolution of condition--so that he/she is able to get off machines and such. I am not looking for the treatment protocol, as I know that our medicine is not one size fits all. I just want to know if anyone has see full resolution with this. I had a patient call with this question, and I am curious to know. I personally have not had a patient have full resolution...but I have had symptoms decrease and overall better quality of sleep. Most of my slepp apnea patients were happy with this combined with sleep apnea machine. This guy wants off machine. So has anyone out there gotten a person off the sleep apnea machine with TCM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 yes total success, no machines, no snoring Bob --- On Fri, 4/10/09, wrote: Re: sleep apnea success? Chinese Medicine Friday, April 10, 2009, 1:04 PM I understand that good differential diagnosis is key in treating any condition. That's not my question. My question is...has anyone out there had a sleep apnea patient have full resolution of condition--so that he/she is able to get off machines and such. I am not looking for the treatment protocol, as I know that our medicine is not one size fits all. I just want to know if anyone has see full resolution with this. I had a patient call with this question, and I am curious to know. I personally have not had a patient have full resolution.. .but I have had symptoms decrease and overall better quality of sleep. Most of my slepp apnea patients were happy with this combined with sleep apnea machine. This guy wants off machine. So has anyone out there gotten a person off the sleep apnea machine with TCM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 " My question is...has anyone out there had a sleep apnea patient have full resolution of condition--so that he/she is able to get off machines and such. " Yes. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 It's important to distinguish between central sleep apnea and obstructive sleep apnea. Then, in the obstructive type, it is important to distinguish between that caused by phlegm, which responds well to treatment, and that caused by anatomical features, which is difficult to treat. - Bill Schoenbart Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > " My question is...has anyone out there had a sleep apnea patient have full > resolution of condition--so that he/she is able to get off machines and > such. " > > Yes. > > Hugo > > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hi Bill; I have also found it very useful to differentiate based on length of time the person has had the problem. For example, an apnea assumedly caused by anatomical features that has only shown effects relatively recently will respond well to treatment. That said, apnea which has been ongoing for years or decades is difficult to treat no matter what the origin. Of immense importance, as well, is the patient's compliance. Speaking of phlegm, have you ever had the chance to use emetic therapy with an apneic / phlegm patient Bill? Anyone use emetic therapy? Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ bill_schoenbart <plantmed2 Chinese Medicine Monday, 13 April, 2009 21:04:35 Re: sleep apnea success? It's important to distinguish between central sleep apnea and obstructive sleep apnea. Then, in the obstructive type, it is important to distinguish between that caused by phlegm, which responds well to treatment, and that caused by anatomical features, which is difficult to treat. - Bill Schoenbart Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor@.. ..> wrote: > > " My question is...has anyone out there had a sleep apnea patient have full > resolution of condition--so that he/she is able to get off machines and > such. " > > Yes. > > Hugo > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Thanks for bringing this up Bill. Sometimes, for whatever evolutionary reason or abberation, in many cases there is a flap of skin, or anatomical obstruction in the upper throat, preventing smooth sleep because of the energy needed to overcome this obstruction, inhibiting easy breathing. This leads to frequent lapses in respiration, and no luck with rectifying this with herbs and/or acupuncture. Minor surgery can remove the obstruction, and things go well. Following up with these cases, it seems to me there is often a residual imprint of broken sleep, apnea, that occurs under exhaustion and stress. At this point, herbal and acupuncture intervention can be useful again. My two cents, toward a marriage of east/west. Thank you. --- On Mon, 4/13/09, bill_schoenbart <plantmed2 wrote: bill_schoenbart <plantmed2 Re: sleep apnea success? Chinese Medicine Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:04 PM It's important to distinguish between central sleep apnea and obstructive sleep apnea. Then, in the obstructive type, it is important to distinguish between that caused by phlegm, which responds well to treatment, and that caused by anatomical features, which is difficult to treat. - Bill Schoenbart Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor@.. ..> wrote: > > " My question is...has anyone out there had a sleep apnea patient have full > resolution of condition--so that he/she is able to get off machines and > such. " > > Yes. > > Hugo > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I know you originally just asked for success rates and not treatment protocols, but I did want to chime in a say there is some amazing research and use of didjeridoo (an Australian instrument) playing to correct sleep apnea. A musician and MD in Chicago are really into it. It's a tricky instrument to play and requires exquisite breath control - hence the usefulness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Hugo, I have never used emetic therapy for phlegm. However, I am aware that it is used frequently in Ayurveda. - Bill Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi Bill; > > I have also found it very useful to differentiate based on length of time the person has had the problem. For example, an apnea assumedly caused by anatomical features that has only shown effects relatively recently will respond well to treatment. That said, apnea which has been ongoing for years or decades is difficult to treat no matter what the origin. > Of immense importance, as well, is the patient's compliance. > > Speaking of phlegm, have you ever had the chance to use emetic therapy with an apneic / phlegm patient Bill? > > Anyone use emetic therapy? > > Hugo > > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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