Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information Chinese Medicine Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:13 PM I liked your ideas a lot John, and followed the links to see what its about. This imagery you presented is very expansive and provocative. The water, in this case, interstitial fluid, aligns in the presence of abundant positive qi. Is it possible there is something analogous to a sympathetic/ parasympathetic system of qi in the bodies? In other words, all life forms have qi and construct molecules around it. We're born and the body knows what to do, it's the opposite of chaos. Life is working, beautiful, we grow up, and a feeling of optimism and potential is there because the body is flourishing. And injury or distress occurs and we're inhibited and shut down a little to cope. automatically. Rub or reflect. Reach out. The immaterial gives birth to the material, and nutures it along. Acupuncture type therapies uses the immaterial to support the material. Herbals use material born in immaterial, to support both. And water, is so fitting to be looked at because it is mostly what we are, and water is so nuetral yet powerful. When we have to focus, because of internal or external conflict, on augmenting, or letting our body and mind be, just feeling, using our complex to feel, to unify our strengths and weaknesses, with qigong (intent), mixing in all the important lessons, letting us mix with the day season then the qi becomes mobile, accessible. Less automatic. Further down the path, sayings like, 'a sneeze can bring a snowstorm', apply. Because the immaterial is limitless, just like us. Like a horse and rider, their strength has a direction, but on a good open day, the wiser will lead. Like a harmonious relationship, society. I'm a musician who's better at backing than playing front most of the time. I like it. I know I overly use metaphors of lovers when describing qi, or feeling a pulse, or just interracting with the world in general. And I don't know if I will be moderated or spanked for some of the things I say (of course we're not whores). But, we come from the vastness, and immaterial, and can sense the preciousness and direction that the little horse wants to go. Thanks, this is such a good group. (I have made more low threshold ion cords john, if you still want a pair, I can get them to you in about two weeks) --- On Mon, 2/23/09, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:28 PM Has anyone read Dr. Shui yin luo's book: http://www.qluni. org/home_ new2.html Here is a synopsis from another website... " It is proposed that meridians are made up of a polarized media which is likely to be water clusters. These water clusters align to form an electric field throughout the network of meridians. When the water clusters align to form an electric field throughout the network of meridians. When the water clusters fall out of allignment, qi is blocked and the body is in pain ir becomes sick. " How is this similar/ different to the interstitial fluid circulation within connective tissue theory? Qi carried through water is consistent with the classical metaphors of water used for the shu points.. well, spring, stream etc. and these fields as " channels " carrying water or " vessels " holding water. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, JASON R <kentuckyginseng@ > wrote: > All > > As some of you have pointed out, this is one of Dr. Wang Ju-yi's > favoritte subjects. This debate is of course very important and > heated in China. As a theorist and avid reader, Dr. Wang seems to > keep up with the discussion as much as possible and loves > translations of English research. > > His distillation of the nature of channels comes back over and over > to the role of intersitial fluid circulation within 'connective > tissue' (×éÖ¯Òº zu zhi ye). I translated for him some fascinating > research by Dr. Helen Langevin at the University of Vermont medical > school. For those interested, her article on connective tissue > planes and acupuncture channels can be found on-line. After > reviewing Dr. Langevin's research using electron microscopes, Dr. > Wang marveled that he could come to such similar conclulsions > largely from reading classical texts and paying attention to how the > language of those texts seems to be describing fluid flow. > > On a similar note, he often points out that the very first chapter > of the Divine Pivot asserts that acupuncture points are, " Not [the > same as] skin, flesh, sinews and bones " . If not these structures, > then what? His belief is that many parts of the rest of the Nei Jing > and the Nan Jing broaden upon this this by describing the role > of 'the spaces' (϶ xi)... > > Thank you all for a fascinating discussion! > > Respectfully, > > Jason Robertson > > > -- www.tcmreview. com The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hi Fran, Yes... I would like those low threshold ion pumping cords.... Manaka was a genius.... a TCM Tesla K On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: > > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym<ykcul_ritsym%40>> > wrote: > mystir <ykcul_ritsym <ykcul_ritsym%40>> > Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:13 PM > > I liked your ideas a lot John, and followed the links to see what its > about. This imagery you presented is very expansive and provocative. The > water, in this case, interstitial fluid, aligns in the presence of abundant > positive qi. > > Is it possible there is something analogous to a sympathetic/ > parasympathetic system of qi in the bodies? In other words, all life forms > have qi and construct molecules around it. We're born and the body > knows what to do, it's the opposite of chaos. Life is working, beautiful, we > grow up, and a feeling of optimism and potential is there because the body > is flourishing. And injury or distress occurs and we're inhibited and shut > down a little to cope. automatically. Rub or reflect. Reach out. > > The immaterial gives birth to the material, and nutures it along. > Acupuncture type therapies uses the immaterial to support the material. > Herbals use material born in immaterial, to support both. > > And water, is so fitting to be looked at because it is mostly what we are, > and water is so nuetral yet powerful. > > When we have to focus, because of internal or external conflict, on > augmenting, or letting our body and mind be, just feeling, using our complex > to feel, to unify our strengths and weaknesses, with qigong (intent), mixing > in all the important lessons, letting us mix with the day season then the > qi becomes mobile, accessible. Less automatic. Further down the path, > sayings like, 'a sneeze can bring a snowstorm', apply. Because the > immaterial is limitless, just like us. > > Like a horse and rider, their strength has a direction, but on a good open > day, the wiser will lead. Like a harmonious relationship, society. I'm a > musician who's better at backing than playing front most of the time. I like > it. > > I know I overly use metaphors of lovers when describing qi, or feeling a > pulse, or just interracting with the world in general. And I don't know if I > will be moderated or spanked for some of the things I say (of course we're > not whores). But, we come from the vastness, and immaterial, and can sense > the preciousness and direction that the little horse wants to go. Thanks, > this is such a good group. > > > > (I have made more low threshold ion cords john, if you still want a pair, I > can get them to you in about two weeks) > > --- On Mon, 2/23/09, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information > > > > Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:28 PM > > Has anyone read Dr. Shui yin luo's book: > > http://www.qluni. org/home_ new2.html > > Here is a synopsis from another website... > > " It is proposed that meridians are made up of a polarized media which is > > likely to be water clusters. These water clusters align to form an electric > > field throughout the network of meridians. When the water clusters align to > > form an electric field throughout the network of meridians. When the water > > clusters fall out of allignment, qi is blocked and the body is in pain ir > > becomes sick. " > > How is this similar/ different to the interstitial fluid circulation within > > connective tissue theory? > > Qi carried through water is consistent with the classical metaphors of > water > > used for the shu points.. well, spring, stream etc. > > and these fields as " channels " carrying water or " vessels " holding water. > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, JASON R <kentuckyginseng@ > > wrote: > > > All > > > > > > As some of you have pointed out, this is one of Dr. Wang Ju-yi's > > > favoritte subjects. This debate is of course very important and > > > heated in China. As a theorist and avid reader, Dr. Wang seems to > > > keep up with the discussion as much as possible and loves > > > translations of English research. > > > > > > His distillation of the nature of channels comes back over and over > > > to the role of intersitial fluid circulation within 'connective > > > tissue' (×éÖ¯Òº zu zhi ye). I translated for him some fascinating > > > research by Dr. Helen Langevin at the University of Vermont medical > > > school. For those interested, her article on connective tissue > > > planes and acupuncture channels can be found on-line. After > > > reviewing Dr. Langevin's research using electron microscopes, Dr. > > > Wang marveled that he could come to such similar conclulsions > > > largely from reading classical texts and paying attention to how the > > > language of those texts seems to be describing fluid flow. > > > > > > On a similar note, he often points out that the very first chapter > > > of the Divine Pivot asserts that acupuncture points are, " Not [the > > > same as] skin, flesh, sinews and bones " . If not these structures, > > > then what? His belief is that many parts of the rest of the Nei Jing > > > and the Nan Jing broaden upon this this by describing the role > > > of 'the spaces' (϶ xi)... > > > > > > Thank you all for a fascinating discussion! > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Jason Robertson > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > www.tcmreview. com > > The Four Reliances: > > Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. > > As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the > > meaning that underlies them. > > Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but > > rely upon the definitive meaning. > > And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary > > consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 There is proof that the 2 hour switching biochemically in our spinal fluid, the rythums of our body are in actuality yin and yang.........and that it always in flux or flow or movement or chi.........and the movement of chi within the body Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Traditional Medicine ykcul_ritsym Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:58:36 -0700 Channel information --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information Chinese Medicine Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:13 PM I liked your ideas a lot John, and followed the links to see what its about. This imagery you presented is very expansive and provocative. The water, in this case, interstitial fluid, aligns in the presence of abundant positive qi. Is it possible there is something analogous to a sympathetic/ parasympathetic system of qi in the bodies? In other words, all life forms have qi and construct molecules around it. We're born and the body knows what to do, it's the opposite of chaos. Life is working, beautiful, we grow up, and a feeling of optimism and potential is there because the body is flourishing. And injury or distress occurs and we're inhibited and shut down a little to cope. automatically. Rub or reflect. Reach out. The immaterial gives birth to the material, and nutures it along. Acupuncture type therapies uses the immaterial to support the material. Herbals use material born in immaterial, to support both. And water, is so fitting to be looked at because it is mostly what we are, and water is so nuetral yet powerful. When we have to focus, because of internal or external conflict, on augmenting, or letting our body and mind be, just feeling, using our complex to feel, to unify our strengths and weaknesses, with qigong (intent), mixing in all the important lessons, letting us mix with the day season then the qi becomes mobile, accessible. Less automatic. Further down the path, sayings like, 'a sneeze can bring a snowstorm', apply. Because the immaterial is limitless, just like us. Like a horse and rider, their strength has a direction, but on a good open day, the wiser will lead. Like a harmonious relationship, society. I'm a musician who's better at backing than playing front most of the time. I like it. I know I overly use metaphors of lovers when describing qi, or feeling a pulse, or just interracting with the world in general. And I don't know if I will be moderated or spanked for some of the things I say (of course we're not whores). But, we come from the vastness, and immaterial, and can sense the preciousness and direction that the little horse wants to go. Thanks, this is such a good group. (I have made more low threshold ion cords john, if you still want a pair, I can get them to you in about two weeks) --- On Mon, 2/23/09, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:28 PM Has anyone read Dr. Shui yin luo's book: http://www.qluni. org/home_ new2.html Here is a synopsis from another website... " It is proposed that meridians are made up of a polarized media which is likely to be water clusters. These water clusters align to form an electric field throughout the network of meridians. When the water clusters align to form an electric field throughout the network of meridians. When the water clusters fall out of allignment, qi is blocked and the body is in pain ir becomes sick. " How is this similar/ different to the interstitial fluid circulation within connective tissue theory? Qi carried through water is consistent with the classical metaphors of water used for the shu points.. well, spring, stream etc. and these fields as " channels " carrying water or " vessels " holding water. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, JASON R <kentuckyginseng@ > wrote: > All > > As some of you have pointed out, this is one of Dr. Wang Ju-yi's > favoritte subjects. This debate is of course very important and > heated in China. As a theorist and avid reader, Dr. Wang seems to > keep up with the discussion as much as possible and loves > translations of English research. > > His distillation of the nature of channels comes back over and over > to the role of intersitial fluid circulation within 'connective > tissue' (×éÖ¯Òº zu zhi ye). I translated for him some fascinating > research by Dr. Helen Langevin at the University of Vermont medical > school. For those interested, her article on connective tissue > planes and acupuncture channels can be found on-line. After > reviewing Dr. Langevin's research using electron microscopes, Dr. > Wang marveled that he could come to such similar conclulsions > largely from reading classical texts and paying attention to how the > language of those texts seems to be describing fluid flow. > > On a similar note, he often points out that the very first chapter > of the Divine Pivot asserts that acupuncture points are, " Not [the > same as] skin, flesh, sinews and bones " . If not these structures, > then what? His belief is that many parts of the rest of the Nei Jing > and the Nan Jing broaden upon this this by describing the role > of 'the spaces' (϶ xi)... > > Thank you all for a fascinating discussion! > > Respectfully, > > Jason Robertson > > > -- www.tcmreview. com The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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