Fw: fighting the MD/DO only insurance coverage of acupuncture

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And there are plenty of good hearted md's who want to see this happen for the

common good. I guess this would classify under grandfather tutoring.

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote:

mystir <ykcul_ritsym

Fw: Re: fighting the MD/DO only insurance coverage of

acupuncture

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:04 AM

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote:

mystir <ykcul_ritsym

Re: fighting the MD/DO only insurance coverage of acupuncture

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:57 AM

 

Hey, I already do minor operations. If the md's want to own our field . fine.

Guess what, we can do what they do too. BUT law is on thier side,

that's all. With herbs and common sense, we could bring surgery to new levels

of sucess. The poor don't want to spend $500 a month for nothing. Neither do

I.  An md can do whatever they want. Learning basic surgical skills, so can I.

If those people want to practice acupuncture, I can practice surgery, fair is

fair.   

 

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:

heylaurag <heylaurag

Re: fighting the MD/DO only insurance coverage of acupuncture

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday,

March 11, 2009, 12:28 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, yeah, that's the problem--there is no treatment in the world

that is all good for everyone--including 5NP. I've seen people with qi and

blood defiency get insomnia from 5NP and others just get wiped out. I knew how

to reverse what was done. A social worker wouldn't (and, by the way, I am a

former social worker, so nothing against social workers).

 

 

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Christopher Vedeler

<vedeler > wrote:

 

>

 

> In Arizona anyone can take the NADA training (long weekend) and become a

 

> NADA acupuncturist. They have to work under a L.Ac. however.

 

>

 

> I'm all for helping as many people as possible with acupuncture. Some

 

> acupuncture does not require 3000 hours of training. You don't always

 

> need to understand the ins and outs of meridians, crossing points, 5E

 

> and 6 Stage relationships, know 250 herbal formulas in pinyin, and be

 

> able to come up with a good Zang Fu diagnosis to treat simple conditions.

 

>

 

> If simple training can prepare someone to treat things like addiction

 

> and PTSD in mass then I'm all for it. If MD's, ND's and Chiroprators can

 

> successfully treat pain with acupuncture after 300 hours of training...

 

> good for them. Like I tell my students, the only issue I have with

 

> anyone doing acupuncture poorly is the those people who try it and get

 

> no results form an opinion of acupuncture that doesn't do it justice.

 

>

 

> Chris Vedeler L.Ac.

 

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> heylaurag wrote:

 

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> > I think one of the sources of our problems comes from this idea (that

 

> > we help perpectuate) that acupuncture is " all good " and that there can

 

> > be no negative side effect from the wrong treatment. I think we help

 

> > perpetuate this idea for a good reason--we are afraid of being sued.

 

> > But what happens is that people figure if it is as simple as sticking

 

> > needles in people and there are no potential problems why not let

 

> > anyone/everyone do it?

 

> >

 

> > In New Mexico it is legal for any provider--including social workers,

 

> > therapists etc--to do 5 needle protocol!! They are trying to pass this

 

> > same law in Washington. I find this shocking. If we would just admit

 

> > to the level of skill involved in what we do we might open ourselves

 

> > to being sued more but we would save our profession and increase our

 

> > level of respect. What would a social worker do with a patient who was

 

> > wiped out from 5 needle protocol because they are too deficient for a

 

> > treatment like that?

 

> >

 

> > Laura

 

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> >

 

> > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine

 

> > <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>, mike Bowser

 

> > <naturaldoc1@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > The Hinkey Bill would put acupuncture as a covered service under

 

> > Medicare, and this is what insurance companies use to decide coverage.

 

> > All states, big or small, well populated with LAc or no LAc, would

 

> > have coverage of our services almost overnight. It would take us many

 

> > years to do this on a state-by-state basis.

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > I would love to help, just send me an email offlist and we can

 

> > discuss this more.

 

> > >

 

> > > Michael W. Bowser, LAc

 

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> > <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

 

> > > acujoni@

 

> > > Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:00:40 +0000

 

> > > fighting the MD/DO only insurance coverage of acupuncture

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > I would like to connect up with other L.Ac.'s interested in

 

> > challenging and changing the policy of certain insurance companies who

 

> > only cover acupuncture when it is performed by an MD or DO. I live in

 

> > Hawaii and played a lead role in the 1993 legislation that does not

 

> > exempt MD's, DO's or DC's from our practice act (meaning anyone

 

> > wanting to practice acupuncture in Hawaii must graduate from

 

> > accredited TCM schools and pass the NCCAOM exam, no shortcuts). By the

 

> > way, every few years a group of MD's put forth a bill in the

 

> > legislature trying to reverse this, thus it is an onging issue. One of

 

> > their strongest arguments continues to be that Hawaii is the odd ball

 

> > state, the only state with this " restriction. "

 

> > >

 

> > > Even here, where MD's practicing acupuncture without full licensure

 

> > is illegal, I am faced with mainland insurance companies that deny my

 

> > patients coverage because I'm not an MD/DO. I want to work with others

 

> > to change that. I can go through our Insurance Commission here locally

 

> > to show that in Hawaii this policy basically nullifies the patients

 

> > benefit as MD's can practice acupuncture (unless they are a L.Ac.),

 

> > but if I'm going to put forth the effort, perhaps a national effort

 

> > would effectively improve things for all L.Ac.'s wishing to

 

> > participate with insurance.

 

> > >

 

> > > Has anyone else out there successfully fought this issue or is

 

> > willing to work with me on this? Is anyone from the AAAOM working on

 

> > this issue already?

 

> > >

 

> > > Aloha,

 

> > > Joni Kroll, L.Ac.

 

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