NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

[Guest guest]

Here's some more information about this lecture, with a link to a live

online video feed:

 

*Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.*

Clinical Professor of Surgery

Yale School of Medicine

 

*Tuesday, March 10, 2009*

National Institutes of Health, Building 10

Bethesda, Maryland

 

- Lecture: 2:30 p.m.–4:00 p.m.

Masur Auditorium, Building 10

National Institutes of Health

Bethesda, Maryland

- Reception and Poster Session:

4:00 p.m.–5:00 p.m.

Southeast Patio

 

Sign language interpretation will be provided. For other reasonable

accommodation or more information contact Karen Davison at 301-984-7191.

 

- Live broadcast: http://videocast.nih.gov

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:57 PM, <wrote:

 

>

> NOTED AUTHOR, SURGEON TO ADDRESS " CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

> ACUPUNCTURE " AT NCCAM'S INAUGURAL STEPHEN E. STRAUS DISTINGUISHED LECTURE

>

> WHAT:

> National Book Award-winning author and surgeon Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.,

> discusses his experiences in China observing major surgery conducted

> without anesthesia, aided by acupuncture-and whether its effectiveness

> can be explained by current biomedical science.

> Dr. Nuland, author of The Uncertain Art: Thoughts on a Life in

> Medicine, and clinical professor of surgery at Yale University, will be

> the featured speaker at the inaugural Stephen E. Straus Distinguished

> Lecture in the Science of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. His

> lecture is entitled " , Western Science and Acupuncture. "

>

> WHY:

> This lecture series was established in honor of Stephen E. Straus,

> M.D., founding director of NCCAM and an internationally recognized

> clinician-scientist, who died in 2007. Dr. Nuland, the first lecturer

> of the series, will draw on personal experiences as a surgeon to

> explore the idea that there are medical phenomena that cannot be

> explained by the investigational methods used by today's biomedical

> science.

>

 

 

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

I thought this might be of interest to you.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ  86326

(928) 274-1373

 

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH NIH News

National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) 

<http://nccam.nih.gov/>

For Immediate Release: Monday, March 2, 2009

 

CONTACT: NCCAM Press Office, 301-496-7790, <e-mail: nccampress

 

NEWS ADVISORY

 

NOTED AUTHOR, SURGEON TO ADDRESS " CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE " AT NCCAM'S INAUGURAL STEPHEN E. STRAUS DISTINGUISHED LECTURE

 

WHAT:

National Book Award-winning author and surgeon Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.,

discusses his experiences in China observing major surgery conducted

without anesthesia, aided by acupuncture-and whether its effectiveness

can be explained by current biomedical science.

Dr. Nuland, author of The Uncertain Art: Thoughts on a Life in

Medicine, and clinical professor of surgery at Yale University, will be

the featured speaker at the inaugural Stephen E. Straus Distinguished

Lecture in the Science of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. His lecture is

entitled " , Western Science and Acupuncture. "

 

WHY:

This lecture series was established in honor of Stephen E. Straus,

M.D., founding director of NCCAM and an internationally recognized

clinician-scientist, who died in 2007. Dr. Nuland, the first lecturer

of the series, will draw on personal experiences as a surgeon to

explore the idea that there are medical phenomena that cannot be

explained by the investigational methods used by today's biomedical

science.

 

WHEN: Tuesday, March 10, lecture from 2:30 - 4:00 p.m. EST

Reception and poster session from 4:00 - 5:00 p.m. EST

 

WHERE: National Institutes of Health, Building 10, 10 Center Drive, Bethesda,

Maryland.

Lecture: Masur Auditorium; Reception and Poster Session: Southeast Patio

 

MORE INFORMATION: Details are available on NCCAM's website at nccam.nih.gov.

Sign language interpretation will be provided; for other reasonable

accommodation or more information call Karen Davison at 301-984-7191.

 

WHO SHOULD ATTEND:  The event is free and open to the public.

 

HOSTS: 

Presented by NCCAM and supported by the Foundation for the National

Institutes of Health with generous funding from The Bernard Osher

Foundation.

 

The National

Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's mission is to

explore complementary and alternative medical practices in the context

of rigorous science, train CAM researchers, and disseminate

authoritative information to the public and professionals. For

additional information, call NCCAM's Clearinghouse toll free at 1-888-644-6226,

or visit the NCCAM Web site at <nccam.nih.gov>. NCCAM 1999 - 2009: Celebrating

10 years of rigorous research. 

 

The Foundation

for the National Institutes of Health was established by the United

States Congress to support the mission of the National Institutes of

Health-improving health through scientific discovery. The Foundation identifies

and develops opportunities for innovative public-private partnerships

involving industry, academia, and the philanthropic community. A

nonprofit, 501©(3) corporation, the Foundation raises private-sector

funds for a broad portfolio of unique programs that complement and

enhance NIH priorities and activities. The Foundation's web site is

<www.fnih.org>.

 

The

National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical Research

Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services.

It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic,

clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the

causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more

information about NIH and its programs, visit <www.nih.gov>.

 

##

 

To (or ) from this list, go to

<http://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=nihpress & A=1>.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

If you can't watch it live, is there another way to watch it?

Looks really informative.

 

K

 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Al Stone <al wrote:

 

> Here's some more information about this lecture, with a link to a live

> online video feed:

>

> *Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.*

> Clinical Professor of Surgery

> Yale School of Medicine

>

> *Tuesday, March 10, 2009*

> National Institutes of Health, Building 10

> Bethesda, Maryland

>

> - Lecture: 2:30 p.m.–4:00 p.m.

> Masur Auditorium, Building 10

> National Institutes of Health

> Bethesda, Maryland

> - Reception and Poster Session:

> 4:00 p.m.–5:00 p.m.

> Southeast Patio

[Guest guest]

Nuland is one of the finest commentators on things medical and human.

I look forward to either hearing the talk or receiving a transcript.

 

On 3/4/09, <johnkokko wrote:

> If you can't watch it live, is there another way to watch it?

> Looks really informative.

>

> K

>

>

> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Al Stone <al wrote:

>

>> Here's some more information about this lecture, with a link to a live

>> online video feed:

>>

>> *Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.*

>> Clinical Professor of Surgery

>> Yale School of Medicine

>>

>> *Tuesday, March 10, 2009*

>> National Institutes of Health, Building 10

>> Bethesda, Maryland

>>

>> - Lecture: 2:30 p.m.–4:00 p.m.

>> Masur Auditorium, Building 10

>> National Institutes of Health

>> Bethesda, Maryland

>> - Reception and Poster Session:

>> 4:00 p.m.–5:00 p.m.

>> Southeast Patio

>

>

> ---

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a

> practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure, see:http://videocast.nih.gov/PastEvents.asp

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:25 AM, <johnkokko wrote:

 

> If you can't watch it live, is there another way to watch it?

> Looks really informative.

>

> K

>

>

> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Al Stone <al wrote:

>

> > Here's some more information about this lecture, with a link to a live

> > online video feed:

> >

> > *Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.*

> > Clinical Professor of Surgery

> > Yale School of Medicine

>

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I attended this talk and was saddened to see the information so old, so

condensing to TCM and to China.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

alumni; Chinese Traditional Medicine ;

 

 

Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:57:20 -0800

NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

 

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I thought this might be of interest to you.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH NIH News

National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM)

<http://nccam.nih.gov/>

For Immediate Release: Monday, March 2, 2009

 

CONTACT: NCCAM Press Office, 301-496-7790, <e-mail: nccampress

 

NEWS ADVISORY

 

NOTED AUTHOR, SURGEON TO ADDRESS " CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE " AT NCCAM'S INAUGURAL STEPHEN E. STRAUS DISTINGUISHED LECTURE

 

WHAT:

National Book Award-winning author and surgeon Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.,

discusses his experiences in China observing major surgery conducted

without anesthesia, aided by acupuncture-and whether its effectiveness

can be explained by current biomedical science.

Dr. Nuland, author of The Uncertain Art: Thoughts on a Life in

Medicine, and clinical professor of surgery at Yale University, will be

the featured speaker at the inaugural Stephen E. Straus Distinguished

Lecture in the Science of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. His lecture is

entitled " , Western Science and Acupuncture. "

 

WHY:

This lecture series was established in honor of Stephen E. Straus,

M.D., founding director of NCCAM and an internationally recognized

clinician-scientist, who died in 2007. Dr. Nuland, the first lecturer

of the series, will draw on personal experiences as a surgeon to

explore the idea that there are medical phenomena that cannot be

explained by the investigational methods used by today's biomedical

science.

 

WHEN: Tuesday, March 10, lecture from 2:30 - 4:00 p.m. EST

Reception and poster session from 4:00 - 5:00 p.m. EST

 

WHERE: National Institutes of Health, Building 10, 10 Center Drive, Bethesda,

Maryland.

Lecture: Masur Auditorium; Reception and Poster Session: Southeast Patio

 

MORE INFORMATION: Details are available on NCCAM's website at nccam.nih.gov.

Sign language interpretation will be provided; for other reasonable

accommodation or more information call Karen Davison at 301-984-7191.

 

WHO SHOULD ATTEND: The event is free and open to the public.

 

HOSTS:

Presented by NCCAM and supported by the Foundation for the National

Institutes of Health with generous funding from The Bernard Osher

Foundation.

 

The National

Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's mission is to

explore complementary and alternative medical practices in the context

of rigorous science, train CAM researchers, and disseminate

authoritative information to the public and professionals. For

additional information, call NCCAM's Clearinghouse toll free at 1-888-644-6226,

or visit the NCCAM Web site at <nccam.nih.gov>. NCCAM 1999 - 2009: Celebrating

10 years of rigorous research.

 

The Foundation

for the National Institutes of Health was established by the United

States Congress to support the mission of the National Institutes of

Health-improving health through scientific discovery. The Foundation identifies

and develops opportunities for innovative public-private partnerships

involving industry, academia, and the philanthropic community. A

nonprofit, 501©(3) corporation, the Foundation raises private-sector

funds for a broad portfolio of unique programs that complement and

enhance NIH priorities and activities. The Foundation's web site is

<www.fnih.org>.

 

The

National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical Research

Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services.

It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic,

clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the

causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more

information about NIH and its programs, visit <www.nih.gov>.

 

##

 

To (or ) from this list, go to

<http://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=nihpress & A=1>.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Particia,

 

Can you say more?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ  86326

(928) 274-1373

 

 

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote:

Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic

RE: NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE

AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

" traditional chinese med " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:47 PM

 

I attended this talk and was saddened to see the information so old, so

condensing to TCM and to China.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

alumni; Chinese Traditional Medicine ;

 

 

Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:57:20 -0800

NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

 

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I thought this might be of interest to you.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH NIH News

National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM)

<http://nccam.nih.gov/>

For Immediate Release: Monday, March 2, 2009

 

CONTACT: NCCAM Press Office, 301-496-7790, <e-mail:

nccampress

 

NEWS ADVISORY

 

NOTED AUTHOR, SURGEON TO ADDRESS " CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE " AT NCCAM'S INAUGURAL STEPHEN E. STRAUS DISTINGUISHED

LECTURE

 

WHAT:

National Book Award-winning author and surgeon Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.,

discusses his experiences in China observing major surgery conducted

without anesthesia, aided by acupuncture-and whether its effectiveness

can be explained by current biomedical science.

Dr. Nuland, author of The Uncertain Art: Thoughts on a Life in

Medicine, and clinical professor of surgery at Yale University, will be

the featured speaker at the inaugural Stephen E. Straus Distinguished

Lecture in the Science of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. His lecture

is entitled " , Western Science and Acupuncture. "

 

WHY:

This lecture series was established in honor of Stephen E. Straus,

M.D., founding director of NCCAM and an internationally recognized

clinician-scientist, who died in 2007. Dr. Nuland, the first lecturer

of the series, will draw on personal experiences as a surgeon to

explore the idea that there are medical phenomena that cannot be

explained by the investigational methods used by today's biomedical

science.

 

WHEN: Tuesday, March 10, lecture from 2:30 - 4:00 p.m. EST

Reception and poster session from 4:00 - 5:00 p.m. EST

 

WHERE: National Institutes of Health, Building 10, 10 Center Drive, Bethesda,

Maryland.

Lecture: Masur Auditorium; Reception and Poster Session: Southeast Patio

 

MORE INFORMATION: Details are available on NCCAM's website at

nccam.nih.gov. Sign language interpretation will be provided; for other

reasonable accommodation or more information call Karen Davison at 301-984-7191.

 

WHO SHOULD ATTEND: The event is free and open to the public.

 

HOSTS:

Presented by NCCAM and supported by the Foundation for the National

Institutes of Health with generous funding from The Bernard Osher

Foundation.

 

The National

Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's mission is to

explore complementary and alternative medical practices in the context

of rigorous science, train CAM researchers, and disseminate

authoritative information to the public and professionals. For

additional information, call NCCAM's Clearinghouse toll free at

1-888-644-6226, or visit the NCCAM Web site at <nccam.nih.gov>. NCCAM 1999

- 2009: Celebrating 10 years of rigorous research.

 

The Foundation

for the National Institutes of Health was established by the United

States Congress to support the mission of the National Institutes of

Health-improving health through scientific discovery. The Foundation identifies

and develops opportunities for innovative public-private partnerships

involving industry, academia, and the philanthropic community. A

nonprofit, 501©(3) corporation, the Foundation raises private-sector

funds for a broad portfolio of unique programs that complement and

enhance NIH priorities and activities. The Foundation's web site is

<www.fnih.org>.

 

The

National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical Research

Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services.

It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic,

clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the

causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more

information about NIH and its programs, visit <www.nih.gov>.

 

##

 

To (or ) from this list, go to

<http://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=nihpress & A=1>.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I can say that i was already tipped off to the shortcomings of there even being

a real alternative and complementary center for real, real truthful support of

CAM integration into western medicine and i found by travels to the NIH and

this talk to be right on with that information. They gave info that is 30 years

old........they made TCM seem like something that is still not scientific not

evidence based and not really applicable to our use for here in the west....most

of this informaiton the same talk that was delivered when they first started

going over to really look at TCM over 40 years ago and now i see that they are

minimalizing and trivializing the success of TCM. I am trying to get my book out

and don't have time to write up everything but i took good notes, saw the

problems, had them confirmed by folks that came up to be after the conferece and

wanted to comment on my questions, which went unanswered because it is obvious

none of those researchers are even privy to all the scientific evidence out

there on TCM. Anyway, i am going to address this as i add this information,

conformation that it is sham that they are trutlly reporting and incorporating

TCM, they are not capaple as they still operate in newtonian Physics frame of

mind. Still they want to think western medicine is effective and still they

speak of perhaps integration when integration would just water down and REGRESS

moving towards health, they don't want health, no money in that.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:52:25 -0700

RE: NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE

AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

 

 

 

 

Particia,

 

Can you say more?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote:

Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic

RE: NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE

AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

" traditional chinese med " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:47 PM

 

I attended this talk and was saddened to see the information so old, so

condensing to TCM and to China.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

alumni; Chinese Traditional Medicine ;

 

 

Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:57:20 -0800

NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

Hi All,

 

I thought this might be of interest to you.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH NIH News

National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM)

<http://nccam.nih.gov/>

For Immediate Release: Monday, March 2, 2009

 

CONTACT: NCCAM Press Office, 301-496-7790, <e-mail:

nccampress

 

NEWS ADVISORY

 

NOTED AUTHOR, SURGEON TO ADDRESS " CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE " AT NCCAM'S INAUGURAL STEPHEN E. STRAUS DISTINGUISHED

LECTURE

 

WHAT:

National Book Award-winning author and surgeon Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.,

discusses his experiences in China observing major surgery conducted

without anesthesia, aided by acupuncture-and whether its effectiveness

can be explained by current biomedical science.

Dr. Nuland, author of The Uncertain Art: Thoughts on a Life in

Medicine, and clinical professor of surgery at Yale University, will be

the featured speaker at the inaugural Stephen E. Straus Distinguished

Lecture in the Science of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. His lecture

is entitled " , Western Science and Acupuncture. "

 

WHY:

This lecture series was established in honor of Stephen E. Straus,

M.D., founding director of NCCAM and an internationally recognized

clinician-scientist, who died in 2007. Dr. Nuland, the first lecturer

of the series, will draw on personal experiences as a surgeon to

explore the idea that there are medical phenomena that cannot be

explained by the investigational methods used by today's biomedical

science.

 

WHEN: Tuesday, March 10, lecture from 2:30 - 4:00 p.m. EST

Reception and poster session from 4:00 - 5:00 p.m. EST

 

WHERE: National Institutes of Health, Building 10, 10 Center Drive, Bethesda,

Maryland.

Lecture: Masur Auditorium; Reception and Poster Session: Southeast Patio

 

MORE INFORMATION: Details are available on NCCAM's website at

nccam.nih.gov. Sign language interpretation will be provided; for other

reasonable accommodation or more information call Karen Davison at 301-984-7191.

 

WHO SHOULD ATTEND: The event is free and open to the public.

 

HOSTS:

Presented by NCCAM and supported by the Foundation for the National

Institutes of Health with generous funding from The Bernard Osher

Foundation.

 

The National

Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's mission is to

explore complementary and alternative medical practices in the context

of rigorous science, train CAM researchers, and disseminate

authoritative information to the public and professionals. For

additional information, call NCCAM's Clearinghouse toll free at

1-888-644-6226, or visit the NCCAM Web site at <nccam.nih.gov>. NCCAM 1999

- 2009: Celebrating 10 years of rigorous research.

 

The Foundation

for the National Institutes of Health was established by the United

States Congress to support the mission of the National Institutes of

Health-improving health through scientific discovery. The Foundation identifies

and develops opportunities for innovative public-private partnerships

involving industry, academia, and the philanthropic community. A

nonprofit, 501©(3) corporation, the Foundation raises private-sector

funds for a broad portfolio of unique programs that complement and

enhance NIH priorities and activities. The Foundation's web site is

<www.fnih.org>.

 

The

National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical Research

Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services.

It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic,

clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the

causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more

information about NIH and its programs, visit <www.nih.gov>.

 

##

 

To (or ) from this list, go to

<http://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=nihpress & A=1>.

 

 

[Guest guest]

The term " evidence based medicine " is an oxymoron. Scientific knowledge is

not possible by definition, as the empirical method only DISproves previous

theories and hypotheses. Furthermore, " science " is, to say the least,

politicized. I believe the pharmaceutical industry and the conventional

medical establishment distort and slant their findings to support their own

type of " allopathic " medicine and make alternatives seem less efficatious

than they are.

 

Another issue I have with " science " vis a vis TCM is that these people

universally treat " qi " as an explanatory fiction. All these studies try to

establish how acupuncture " really " works. When they admit it works at all.

FACT: The Michealson-Morley experiment, which ostensibly " disproved " the

" aether theory, " in favor of Einstein's " quantum theory " actully did NOT

provide a null result for aether drift. It gave a positive result.

However, the result was not considered to be statistically significant.

Plans were made to follow up on this, but they were never carried out.

Dayton Miller, a student of Michealson and Morley, DID follow up on aether

drift. He built a much more sensitive interferometer high above sea level

and collected significant positive data for aether drift for over 25 years.

 

That said, in my opinion, TCM's emphasis on hermeneutics, or " divine texts "

or revelation is actually a strength. But I'm radical that way.

 

-

" Patricia Jordan " <coastalcatclinic

" traditional chinese med " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Friday, March 13, 2009 10:46 AM

RE: NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN

SCIENCE AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

 

 

I can say that i was already tipped off to the shortcomings of there even

being a real alternative and complementary center for real, real truthful

support of CAM integration into western medicine and i found by travels to

the NIH and this talk to be right on with that information. They gave info

that is 30 years old........they made TCM seem like something that is still

not scientific not evidence based and not really applicable to our use for

here in the west....most of this informaiton the same talk that was

delivered when they first started going over to really look at TCM over 40

years ago and now i see that they are minimalizing and trivializing the

success of TCM. I am trying to get my book out and don't have time to write

up everything but i took good notes, saw the problems, had them confirmed by

folks that came up to be after the conferece and wanted to comment on my

questions, which went unanswered because it is obvious none of those

researchers are even privy to all the scientific evidence out there on TCM.

Anyway, i am going to address this as i add this information, conformation

that it is sham that they are trutlly reporting and incorporating TCM, they

are not capaple as they still operate in newtonian Physics frame of mind.

Still they want to think western medicine is effective and still they speak

of perhaps integration when integration would just water down and REGRESS

moving towards health, they don't want health, no money in that.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:52:25 -0700

RE: NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN

SCIENCE AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

 

 

 

 

Particia,

 

Can you say more?

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote:

Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic

RE: NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN

SCIENCE AND ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

" traditional chinese med " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:47 PM

 

I attended this talk and was saddened to see the information so old, so

condensing to TCM and to China.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

alumni; Chinese Traditional Medicine ;

 

 

Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:57:20 -0800

NOTED SURGEON TO ADDRESS CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE

AND

ACUPUNCTURE AT NCCAM

 

Hi All,

 

I thought this might be of interest to you.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH NIH News

National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM)

<http://nccam.nih.gov/>

For Immediate Release: Monday, March 2, 2009

 

CONTACT: NCCAM Press Office, 301-496-7790, <e-mail:

nccampress

 

NEWS ADVISORY

 

NOTED AUTHOR, SURGEON TO ADDRESS " CHINESE MEDICINE, WESTERN SCIENCE AND

ACUPUNCTURE " AT NCCAM'S INAUGURAL STEPHEN E. STRAUS DISTINGUISHED

LECTURE

 

WHAT:

National Book Award-winning author and surgeon Sherwin B. Nuland, M.D.,

discusses his experiences in China observing major surgery conducted

without anesthesia, aided by acupuncture-and whether its effectiveness

can be explained by current biomedical science.

Dr. Nuland, author of The Uncertain Art: Thoughts on a Life in

Medicine, and clinical professor of surgery at Yale University, will be

the featured speaker at the inaugural Stephen E. Straus Distinguished

Lecture in the Science of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. His

lecture

is entitled " , Western Science and Acupuncture. "

 

WHY:

This lecture series was established in honor of Stephen E. Straus,

M.D., founding director of NCCAM and an internationally recognized

clinician-scientist, who died in 2007. Dr. Nuland, the first lecturer

of the series, will draw on personal experiences as a surgeon to

explore the idea that there are medical phenomena that cannot be

explained by the investigational methods used by today's biomedical

science.

 

WHEN: Tuesday, March 10, lecture from 2:30 - 4:00 p.m. EST

Reception and poster session from 4:00 - 5:00 p.m. EST

 

WHERE: National Institutes of Health, Building 10, 10 Center Drive,

Bethesda,

Maryland.

Lecture: Masur Auditorium; Reception and Poster Session: Southeast Patio

 

MORE INFORMATION: Details are available on NCCAM's website at

nccam.nih.gov. Sign language interpretation will be provided; for other

reasonable accommodation or more information call Karen Davison at

301-984-7191.

 

WHO SHOULD ATTEND: The event is free and open to the public.

 

HOSTS:

Presented by NCCAM and supported by the Foundation for the National

Institutes of Health with generous funding from The Bernard Osher

Foundation.

 

The National

Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's mission is to

explore complementary and alternative medical practices in the context

of rigorous science, train CAM researchers, and disseminate

authoritative information to the public and professionals. For

additional information, call NCCAM's Clearinghouse toll free at

1-888-644-6226, or visit the NCCAM Web site at <nccam.nih.gov>. NCCAM 1999

- 2009: Celebrating 10 years of rigorous research.

 

The Foundation

for the National Institutes of Health was established by the United

States Congress to support the mission of the National Institutes of

Health-improving health through scientific discovery. The Foundation

identifies

and develops opportunities for innovative public-private partnerships

involving industry, academia, and the philanthropic community. A

nonprofit, 501©(3) corporation, the Foundation raises private-sector

funds for a broad portfolio of unique programs that complement and

enhance NIH priorities and activities. The Foundation's web site is

<www.fnih.org>.

 

The

National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical Research

Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services.

It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic,

clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the

causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more

information about NIH and its programs, visit <www.nih.gov>.

 

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