Acupuncture Channels, Origins of life, and futility of pest exterminators

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 Hi. Once upon a time in that forever oneness quiet, before time or stars, or

even the existence of a gravity,  the lover and giver of all things had a dream.

In the no space/ all space, the lover wanted to laugh. And it felt noble to him,

to crown silence with joy. And his joy became his mate, and they played

endlessly that sweet forever night, even to complete exhaustion.

 He fell in love with joy so much that he wanted to give her something perfect,

something joy would know always, whenever she looked at it, how real and pure

and enthusiastic he felt toward her. So he made her a place, an unlimited

studio, where she might make and do whatever she wanted. She liked this.

 First she made light, little points burning furiously with heat. Softly

lighting the forever, so she could see her lover, and so he could see her too,

in all her wild beauty. She made him rock, mist, heat and perspective. Joy felt

his desire for her grow in her with these gifts, so she made for the lover;

worlds, beings, streams of self perpetuating life. They walked and he squeezed

her hand, and they made love everywhere that day.

  The works Joy made, created thier own heavens, endless lives, pure worlds,

sweet dreams from the dark quiet night. And her creations danced their own

dance, like children of  the sky.

  And as long as there was light and dark, night and day, she knew they would be

together, just as they were in the beginning, with just the silence, with rain

sounds.

 

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote:

mystir <ykcul_ritsym

RE: Re: Acupuncture Channels

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 22, 2009, 11:30 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr. Kim Bongham's pre 1990's studies were controversial. If I have

the person right. I am not someone who is averse to controversy, believe me, I

swim in it, but the seperate chi pathways with tubules, etc, envisioned and

described by him were given at a time of want for channel verification, on a

level of tissue verification. Now we more understand all the very subtle

energies operating in the living body, the variations of chi, not just another

organ. All organs, mind, exist because of it, because it is pervasive, and

infinite in the ways it nourishes. All our diagnostic skills, aim at seeing qi

in its abundance or decline.

 

 I'm not saying he wasn't brilliant, our didn't see, or that maybe his work was

misinterpreted.

 

But I reviewed it, and the exact anotomical structures he pointed to were vague.

 

 Nonetheless, his work was a great stimulus to channel medicine, he challenged

artfully, the premises of basic physiology. In just that respect, he was a

great.

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com>

 

RE: Re: Acupuncture Channels

 

traditional_ chinese_medicine

 

Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:38 PM

 

 

 

Curious if Mr. Kendall considered or had access to the physiological research of

Dr. Kim Bonghan or more recent studies by Dr. Soh. Dr. Soh and others have had

many studies of a microtubular system published in various peer-reviewed

journals. As these structures appear to flow inside and along blood vessels,

lymph vessels, follow the traditional pathways and attach directly to organs,

makes some sense as to the interconnectedness of the network and yet their size

makes them elusive. There are some interesting compounds that have been

identified inside.

 

 

 

Michael W. Bowser, LAc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ykcul_ritsym@

 

 

 

Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:18:36 -0800

 

 

 

Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels

 

 

 

We will have to go into this again and again, as information comes in, and our

own understanding develops. Mo yuan and cou li as dynamic, lots to say.

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, kncherman (AT) pacbell (DOT) net <kncherman (AT) pacbell (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

 

kncherman (AT) pacbell (DOT) net <kncherman (AT) pacbell (DOT) net>

 

 

 

Re: Acupuncture Channels

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:12 PM

 

 

 

D.E Kendalls book- The Dao of Chinese medicine has a different take

 

 

 

on meridians ( which he says is a totaly incorrect term, he prefers

 

 

 

vessels) He makes a case for acupuncture channels corresponding to

 

 

 

physiological blood, lymph and nerve pathways. An example is the

 

 

 

radial artery path along the " lung vessel " . He does not believe in an

 

 

 

engergetic invisible energy that is not based on physiology. He

 

 

 

translates chi as vital breath and links it a lot with oxygen. (there

 

 

 

are many differnt types of CHi) He was a teacher of mine years ago

 

 

 

and he spent a lot of time researching the physiology of needleing.

 

 

 

He also reads chinese and his book his basically his translation of

 

 

 

the chinese texts. I happen to agree with Z'ev that Wang Ju Yi's book

 

 

 

is definitive. I think we owe it to the medicine to become as well

 

 

 

versed and educated as possible in all areas of information related

 

 

 

to our system of medicine. It is a daunting job, but I think we all

 

 

 

know what the results are.

 

 

 

- In Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine ,

 

 

 

<zrosenbe@.. .> wrote:

 

 

 

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> Yes, Wang Ju-yi's book on acupuncture channels with Jason Robertson

 

 

 

is

 

 

 

> far and away the best thing in English on this subject. . .it is

 

 

 

> definitive.

 

 

 

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> On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Hugo Ramiro wrote:

 

 

 

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>> Hi all, another quotation for all of you to drool over:

 

 

 

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>> " Acupuncture channels are not ancient models of nerve, lymph, or

 

 

 

>> blood vessel pathways but are instead something entirely

 

 

 

different. "

 

 

 

>> -Wang Ju-Yi in " Applied Channel Theory "

 

 

 

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>> I feel it's nice to hear authoritative statement of this nature.

 

 

 

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>> Hugo

 

 

 

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>> Hugo Ramiro

 

 

 

>> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

 

 

 

>> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

 

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