Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

[Guest guest]

Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

----

Bonjour, je suis à la recherche de toute information valable sur

l'utilisation de l'acupuncture (théorie des points et méridiens,

utilisation de stimulation à l'aiguille, au laser ou autre procédé)

pour venir en aide à des grands brulés. A-t-on déjà démontré que

l'usage de l'acupuncture pouvait aider à réduire la douleur, l'anxiété

ou l'insomnie de ces patients. Merci !

[Guest guest]

 Hi P,

 

--P-

Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

---

 

 No acupuncture directly onto the wounded area, but Surrounding the Dragon

technique is very effective. Using the channel poits to treat the body's

imbalance and manifestations (such as insomnia, fear, and anxiety) can be very

effective. The burns themselves would benefit from ginger juice and that great

cream Ching Wan Hung. Internal treatment via herbal medicine and proper diet are

all methods that can have a great effect. It all depends on the availability of

skill and medicinals, and the willingness of the patient and family.

 

http://www.chineseherbsdirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=233

 

http://www.itmonline.org/jintu/chingwan.htm

 

 Hope that helps,

 Hugo

 

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " p_manny "

<p_manny wrote:

>

> Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

> suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

> sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

> participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

> hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

> acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

> ----

> Bonjour, je suis � la recherche de toute information valable sur

> l'utilisation de l'acupuncture (th�orie des points et m�ridiens,

> utilisation de stimulation � l'aiguille, au laser ou autre proc�d�)

> pour venir en aide � des grands brul�s. A-t-on d�j� d�montr� que

> l'usage de l'acupuncture pouvait aider � r�duire la douleur, l'anxi�t�

> ou l'insomnie de ces patients. Merci !

>

 

Hello there

if you search the archives in this group, you will hopefully find the

link to battlefield acupuncture - ear acupuncture - now being used in

the field for critically injured soldiers etc.

Otherwise google 'battlefield acupuncture'

If you go to PubMed [online] you'll also find published research about

acupuncture in hospital ER's and the like - being used for acute

anxiety, distress etc

Margi

[Guest guest]

 I agree with everything Hugo said. Ching wan hung for industrial burns, sunburn

and more. Also, if the pain is in the unbearable stage, no rest, no respite,

groaning, morphine and exhaustion, then massaging the finger tips with force

alternate with gentle, at  times biting them gnawing if a close relationship

(again shixuan, as this is real heat too), stroking an unaffected area of the

body to connect them with some pleasantness, ear shen men can touch or ear tack,

massage and stroke forehead and head, draw heat off in your mind from them,

soothe.

 

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Re: Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

Chinese Medicine

Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Hi P,

 

 

 

--P-

 

Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

 

suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

 

sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

 

participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

 

hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

 

acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

 

---

 

 

 

 No acupuncture directly onto the wounded area, but Surrounding the Dragon

technique is very effective. Using the channel poits to treat the body's

imbalance and manifestations (such as insomnia, fear, and anxiety) can be very

effective. The burns themselves would benefit from ginger juice and that great

cream Ching Wan Hung. Internal treatment via herbal medicine and proper diet are

all methods that can have a great effect. It all depends on the availability of

skill and medicinals, and the willingness of the patient and family.

 

 

 

http://www.chineseh erbsdirect. com/product_ info.php? products_ id=233

 

 

 

http://www.itmonlin e.org/jintu/ chingwan. htm

 

 

 

 Hope that helps,

 

 Hugo

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro

 

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

 

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Also, I haven't sought them out recently, but 8 yrs ago, I was given to try and

play with, pain relief sheets, 5x8 towelettes that were based on electrical

polarity of injury. Ion transfer theory, akin to Becker research of swings of

negative and positive voltage potentials in tissue undergoing trauma. They were

supposedly saturated with a solution that accelerated healing and reduced pain.

Does anyone know more about this? I'll try to look for them. The theory seemed

sound to me, but I never tried them in such drastic circumstances. In muscular

and channel problems they weren't impressive, but burn victim treatment may be

something they shine in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Also, I haven't sought them out recently, but 8 yrs ago, I was given to try and

play with, pain relief sheets, 5x8 towelettes that were based on electrical

polarity of injury. Ion transfer theory, akin to Becker research of swings of

negative and positive voltage potentials in tissue undergoing trauma. They were

supposedly saturated with a solution that accelerated healing and reduced pain.

Does anyone know more about this? I'll try to look for them. The theory seemed

sound to me, but I never tried them in such drastic circumstances. In muscular

and channel problems they weren't impressive, but burn victim treatment may be

something they shine in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What about the famous cabbage leaf poultice? I used it on a minor burn (no

broken skin) and the relief was amazing - and permanent. So it seems the leaves

have the ability to draw out inflammation. What do people think?

Karen

 

 

 

Believe.

 

 

Karen R. Adams,

Lic Ac, Dipl Ac

25 - 27 Bank Row

Greenfield, MA 01301

413-768-8333

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The now deceased brilliant Japanese acupuncturist, Yoshio Manaka first developed

Ion

Pumping Cords (which now are used widely in all kinds of applications) when he

was

working in a burn unit of a hospital, for the treatment of burns. He developed

treatments

where a burn was covered with aluminum foil and an IPC was attached to the foil

and then

connected to an unburned part of the body that had some acupuncture meridian

relationship to the burned area. He claimed he got remarkably fast burn healing

that way.

It is documented somewhat in the two books, 'Chasing the Dragon's Tail' and

" Hara

Diagnosis, Reflections on the Sea " .

Personally, while I use IPC's, I have never had to opportunity to try this

application.

Daniel

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor

wrote:

>

>  Hi P,

>  

> --P-

> Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

> suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

> sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

> participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

> hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

> acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

> ---

>  

>  No acupuncture directly onto the wounded area, but Surrounding the Dragon

technique is very effective. Using the channel poits to treat the body's

imbalance and

manifestations (such as insomnia, fear, and anxiety) can be very effective. The

burns

themselves would benefit from ginger juice and that great cream Ching Wan Hung.

Internal treatment via herbal medicine and proper diet are all methods that can

have a

great effect. It all depends on the availability of skill and medicinals, and

the willingness of

the patient and family.

>  

> http://www.chineseherbsdirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=233

>  

> http://www.itmonline.org/jintu/chingwan.htm

>  

>  Hope that helps,

>  Hugo

>

>

>

>

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

[Guest guest]

Bessel Van der Kolk, one of the premier clinicians/researchers of

PTSD, wrote an article that stated burn victims that get narcotics do

not get PTSD, we just don't know how to stimulate endorphins without

drugs ...........

Every piece of research I have seen about acupuncture stimulating

endorphins involves electrical stimulation on the needles. Does

anyone know of acupuncture endorphin research without electricity?

One article I saw declared that the frequency determines which

endorphins are stimulated, which clouds the issue of how much effect

are the needles actually having and how much is electrical stim?

If ears are not affected by burns I would do ear acupcunture,

especially sympathetic nervous system and Shen Men. Adding liver lung

and kid makes for a balanced treatment that seems to cover a lot of

bases. And I found in Louisiana after the storm, adding Point Zero

and Du 20 to that protocol was also beneficial, sometimes extremely

beneficial (THe Senior Psychologist on the federal team of mental

health workers had pretty big response to Du 20 when added. Likewise

with Yin Tang, have seen a bunch of firefighters have a really big

experience when we added that)

Laura Cooley

[Guest guest]

 Hi Laura!

 

--Laura-

Every piece of research I have seen about acupuncture stimulating

endorphins involves electrical stimulation on the needles. Does

anyone know of acupuncture endorphin research without electricity?

---

 

 Any type of acupuncture will stimulate endorphin release so long as we are

regulating the organism back to a homeodynamic state.

 I am sure that the deficient lady all those years ago I caused to almost faint

with excessive drainage at GB34 did not experience endorphin release.

 On the other hand, anyoen who experiences a feeling of wellbeing after

acupuncture most definitely has had an endorphin release.

 

 If it is true that the research only mentions endorphin release when under

electrical stimulation, then that is an artifact of electrical fetishism (I know

what all your dirty minds are thinking!).

 

 Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 About pain relief sheets, lots of research is done involving circuitry, active

and passive,

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6014585/description.html

 but maybe the sheets were still experimental, and not fully marketed yet. They

were given to me by a chinese doctor. I couldn't see any zinc, steel, copper or

silver, unless they were extremely small micro-particles. They seemed like the

quality would dry over time, as if the ingredient was evaporative.

 Could be like these;

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/magica/product-detailwMvxrSnKbRka/China-Ac\

upuncture-Patch-for-Pain-Relief.html

 

 

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Laura Cooley <lauramon wrote:

Laura Cooley <lauramon

Re:Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, February 21, 2009, 11:49 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bessel Van der Kolk, one of the premier clinicians/research ers of

 

PTSD, wrote an article that stated burn victims that get narcotics do

 

not get PTSD, we just don't know how to stimulate endorphins without

 

drugs ...........

 

Every piece of research I have seen about acupuncture stimulating

 

endorphins involves electrical stimulation on the needles. Does

 

anyone know of acupuncture endorphin research without electricity?

 

One article I saw declared that the frequency determines which

 

endorphins are stimulated, which clouds the issue of how much effect

 

are the needles actually having and how much is electrical stim?

 

If ears are not affected by burns I would do ear acupcunture,

 

especially sympathetic nervous system and Shen Men. Adding liver lung

 

and kid makes for a balanced treatment that seems to cover a lot of

 

bases. And I found in Louisiana after the storm, adding Point Zero

 

and Du 20 to that protocol was also beneficial, sometimes extremely

 

beneficial (THe Senior Psychologist on the federal team of mental

 

health workers had pretty big response to Du 20 when added. Likewise

 

with Yin Tang, have seen a bunch of firefighters have a really big

 

experience when we added that)

 

Laura Cooley

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

To be thorough, I also like bimetallic needles, steel shaft with copper wound

handles. I think when they are inserted into the body, the dissimilar metals

make a tiny electrical field available, that the body can steer. Even moreso

when 2 needle are used at the same time. Not at the same point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Daniel! I have heard about the work of Manaka, but not clearly

enough to be able to reproduce his results. I shall read his books and

see.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Hugo for your help! I am a teacher in a school of acupuncture

in Québec (North America). None of my colleagues have experience in

the treatment of severely burn patients. We have been approach by a

local hospital team to propose small pilot research with some of their

patients, to evaluate the interest of introducing acupuncture as a

complementary approach.

I am looking for practical experience in the field. I have found good

hope in your answer.

[Guest guest]

One of the greats. I was honored to take a seminar with him back in

1987/San Francisco.

 

 

On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:30 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

>

> Has anyone mentioned the works of Yoshio Manaka, who treated a lot

> of burns in a hospital setting with acupuncture? He discussed this

> in his text, " Chasing the Dragon's Tail " . Hope this helps.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> ykcul_ritsym

> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:12:21 -0800

> Re: Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

I agree with everything Hugo said. Ching wan hung for

> industrial burns, sunburn and more. Also, if the pain is in the

> unbearable stage, no rest, no respite, groaning, morphine and

> exhaustion, then massaging the finger tips with force alternate with

> gentle, at times biting them gnawing if a close relationship (again

> shixuan, as this is real heat too), stroking an unaffected area of

> the body to connect them with some pleasantness, ear shen men can

> touch or ear tack, massage and stroke forehead and head, draw heat

> off in your mind from them, soothe.

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

>

> Hugo Ramiro <subincor

>

> Re: Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

>

> Chinese Medicine

>

> Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:53 PM

>

>

>

> Hi P,

>

--P-

>

>

>

> Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

>

>

>

> suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

>

>

>

> sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

>

>

>

> participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

>

>

>

> hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

>

>

>

> acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

>

>

>

> ---

>

No acupuncture directly onto the wounded area, but Surrounding the

> Dragon technique is very effective. Using the channel poits to treat

> the body's imbalance and manifestations (such as insomnia, fear, and

> anxiety) can be very effective. The burns themselves would benefit

> from ginger juice and that great cream Ching Wan Hung. Internal

> treatment via herbal medicine and proper diet are all methods that

> can have a great effect. It all depends on the availability of skill

> and medicinals, and the willingness of the patient and family.

>

http://www.chineseh erbsdirect. com/product_ info.php? products_

> id=233

>

http://www.itmonlin e.org/jintu/ chingwan. htm

>

Hope that helps,

>

>

>

> Hugo

>

>

>

> Hugo Ramiro

>

>

>

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

>

>

>

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Manaka's now widespread legacy of Ion Pumping Cords (now mainly used for

abdominal release patterns with Extraordinary Vessel Master Couple Points) all

started with his development of Ion Pumping Cords and Aluminum Foil for the

expeditious treatment of burns.

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

>

> Has anyone mentioned the works of Yoshio Manaka, who treated a lot of burns in

a hospital setting with acupuncture? He discussed this in his text, " Chasing

the Dragon's Tail " . Hope this helps.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> ykcul_ritsym

> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:12:21 -0800

> Re: Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

I agree with everything Hugo said. Ching wan hung for industrial

burns, sunburn and more. Also, if the pain is in the unbearable stage, no rest,

no respite, groaning, morphine and exhaustion, then massaging the finger tips

with force alternate with gentle, at times biting them gnawing if a close

relationship (again shixuan, as this is real heat too), stroking an unaffected

area of the body to connect them with some pleasantness, ear shen men can touch

or ear tack, massage and stroke forehead and head, draw heat off in your mind

from them, soothe.

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

>

> Hugo Ramiro <subincor

>

> Re: Acupuncture and patients with extensive burns

>

> Chinese Medicine

>

> Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:53 PM

>

>

>

> Hi P,

>

--P-

>

>

>

> Hi! I am looking for information about the ability to treat patients

>

>

>

> suffering from extensive burns with acupuncture. Can acupuncture

>

>

>

> sedate pain, anxiety or insomnia of those patients? Have you

>

>

>

> participate or ear about experience in that matter, research in a

>

>

>

> hospital with the combination of complimentary medicines including

>

>

>

> acupuncture? Thank you for any serious indication.

>

>

>

> ---

>

No acupuncture directly onto the wounded area, but Surrounding the Dragon

technique is very effective. Using the channel poits to treat the body's

imbalance and manifestations (such as insomnia, fear, and anxiety) can be very

effective. The burns themselves would benefit from ginger juice and that great

cream Ching Wan Hung. Internal treatment via herbal medicine and proper diet are

all methods that can have a great effect. It all depends on the availability of

skill and medicinals, and the willingness of the patient and family.

>

http://www.chineseh erbsdirect. com/product_ info.php? products_ id=233

>

http://www.itmonlin e.org/jintu/ chingwan. htm

>

Hope that helps,

>

>

>

> Hugo

>

>

>

> Hugo Ramiro

>

>

>

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

>

>

>

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

>

>

>