Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Sorry, more clarity. The aromatic of the formula must be preserved. So, after reduce, bottle and seal the medicine while still warm. Don't let it evaporate off. Things that clear senses are different that those that chase wind, or calm shen. I like honey pills. The spray type manufacture that produces granules and powdered herb follows this approach. But like the big boys have said, product varies. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym@ > wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym@ > RE: Re: Herbs in Italy Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:35 AM Sorry for hogging the bandwidth tonight. You guys humor me, thanks. For clarity sake i should have said; Drain and store the first boil, refill the pot 3/4, Cook again and mix the 2 boilings, and reduce at low heat. Sure, some flowers etc need less handling, lose potency if boiled too much, add at the end etc. I am just a beginner, you herbal techs tell me and the rest of our group how its done. Smell it. Just one way we can have cottage industries that have fine product. Time intensive, sure, but fun. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym@ > wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym@ > RE: Re: Herbs in Italy Friday, February 20, 2009, 3:44 AM Hi Tom. I'm glad you're an optimist. I know it is, has to be inclusive panels that work through the details. But more control, I don't like. Poor quality, WE decide on that, not just regulatory bodies. Granules will be regarded as pharmaceuticals, and formulas will have to be dispensed by a chemist ('apotheker' in Belgium) in a controlled environment. No no no no no. The health risks our profession presents to the consumer are really small now, in comparison to foods and drugs that are approved. I think clarity in diagnosis, is more important than a super clean industrial, pharmacuetical manufacturing environment. Implications of all this are bigger than just our profession. To me, the environmental standards proposed are weak and favor profit... more.. This is a supergroup, deciding at various geographical locations, who can work, what does work, what the import and export is classified as legal, etc. I don't think such broad issues and the ripples of their stance, can carry as much medical truth as if we, the global practitioners, buyers, sellers and public will offer in feedback. It is too open to manipulation and tokenism. (advisors). Every herbalist has to be taken to task for their own standards of truth in; purity of product, methods of preparation, basic knowledge of their line, and modern advances, etc. Before globalization, there were 5000 varieties of rice available from india, now, 5 varieties claim most the arable land. There will, I hope always be seed-savers and horticultural heritage foundations, but in hard times, they fall away to common need. (Walmart, who sells things people need at prices the can afford), is thriving because they are affordable. Seed banks were raided in famines because people neede to eat now, not in the future. Herbs and suplements are advancing and safe now, they don't need the kind of control this body envisions. It's more corporate than care. This monetary manipulation, the recession, is weeding out old survivors, and a couple of 'advisors' altho helpful as insiders revealing a market, won't make the market diverse. This is a big topic Tom. Pressure cooking is just one way around, I'm not looking for around the law, I've cooked probably ten thousands of gallons of herbs, without a problem to patient/consumer. This is where our group becomes more helpful, we can be the advisors of methods and selection of materials for those who come into. Who would be better qualified. I can see plenty of members here, for example, who aren't shy of speaking their mind. Thanks Tom. Hope I wasn't long winded and close minded. I don't like typing all that much. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe@ acupunctuur. org> wrote: Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe@ acupunctuur. org> RE: Re: Herbs in Italy Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:47 AM Last thing I heard about the codex alimentarius is that they do use advisors from the different sectors (including Chinese medicine) and that they do listen to their needs. Things will be more controlled, and given the sometimes poor quality control of herbal medicinals coming from China, this may not be a bad idea. Remember the melamine scandal, we don't want something similar happening to our sector. Granules will be regarded as pharmaceuticals, and formulas will have to be dispensed by a chemist ('apotheker' in Belgium) in a controlled environment. However, raw herbs will still be regarded as foods, not pharmaeuticals, or so I've heard. So I'm looking into buying one of those pressure cooker machines. They might be a good solution to the Codex Alimentarius question. Or we can just order granule formulas from official suppliers/ chemists. There are some obstacles, but as someone else said on this list, I don't think these will be as dramatic as we once thought they would be. I got this information from someone who acts as an advisor for the European Union in this matter, so I tend to believe him. I am also an optimist :-) Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese- geneeskunde. be _____ Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine [Traditional _ Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of mystir vrijdag 20 februari 2009 7:50 Re: Re: Herbs in Italy codex alimentarius is manifesting slowly and surely, the economic decline will help it happen http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nhApQ3QkG0Q & feature=related> com/watch?v= nhApQ3QkG0Q & feature=related and their soft sell pro site http://www.codexali <http://www.codexali mentarius. net/web/index_ en.jsp> mentarius.net/ web/index_ en.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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