Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hello, I have a question about facial acupuncture. What type of needles are used? I know that Seirin needles are used is it better to get one cun or 1/2 cun and what thickness of needles? Are 40 and 42 used? like red and light green colors? I also uses Seirin intradermals before theu have 3 different sizes any suggestions which size is good would be really appreciated. Thanks Julia --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ray Ford <ray wrote: > Ray Ford <ray > RE: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress from the bully fight....) > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:28 AM > I meant to say in my previous post..... > > Regular treatment has resolved so many cases-completely > even in the > recalcitrant chocoholics! It may be a deeper issue but it > is just as > possible for the channel to be blocked (for a myriad of > reasons) or > deficient without underlying organ/psychological > pathologies > > Ray > > _____ > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On > Behalf Of Daniel > Schulman > Sunday, 15 February 2009 9:03 AM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress > from the bully > fight....) > > > > Ray - can you elaborate on this - is this something you > sourced from > somewhere (source?) or > is it something you came up with. Is it theoretical or do > you also have > clinical evidence - > both diagnostic and treatment effectiveness? > Daniel > > Traditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40> > Chinese_Medicine , " Ray Ford " > <ray wrote: > > > > It may be of interest to note that fungus of the BIG > toe is actually a > Chong > > mai pathology. > > > > Ray > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yulia, I do not practice facial/cosmetic acupuncture, but when I was a student I learned about it. My teacher used and recommended the blue seirins, which I thought were a bit thick for that use. He inserted them very superficially, into wrinkles. Andrea Beth Traditional Oriental Medicine Happy Hours in the CALM Center 1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5 Cottonwood, AZ 86326 (928) 274-1373 --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 wrote: Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 facial acupuncture Chinese Medicine Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:41 AM Hello, I have a question about facial acupuncture. What type of needles are used? I know that Seirin needles are used is it better to get one cun or 1/2 cun and what thickness of needles? Are 40 and 42 used? like red and light green colors? I also uses Seirin intradermals before theu have 3 different sizes any suggestions which size is good would be really appreciated. Thanks Julia --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ray Ford <ray wrote: > Ray Ford <ray > RE: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress from the bully fight....) > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:28 AM > I meant to say in my previous post..... > > Regular treatment has resolved so many cases-completely > even in the > recalcitrant chocoholics! It may be a deeper issue but it > is just as > possible for the channel to be blocked (for a myriad of > reasons) or > deficient without underlying organ/psychological > pathologies > > Ray > > _____ > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On > Behalf Of Daniel > Schulman > Sunday, 15 February 2009 9:03 AM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress > from the bully > fight....) > > > > Ray - can you elaborate on this - is this something you > sourced from > somewhere (source?) or > is it something you came up with. Is it theoretical or do > you also have > clinical evidence - > both diagnostic and treatment effectiveness? > Daniel > > Traditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40> > Chinese_Medicine , " Ray Ford " > <ray wrote: > > > > It may be of interest to note that fungus of the BIG > toe is actually a > Chong > > mai pathology. > > > > Ray > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hi again Yulia, I forgot to mention the length - 1.5 inches. Andrea Beth Traditional Oriental Medicine Happy Hours in the CALM Center 1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5 Cottonwood, AZ 86326 (928) 274-1373 --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 wrote: Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 facial acupuncture Chinese Medicine Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:41 AM Hello, I have a question about facial acupuncture. What type of needles are used? I know that Seirin needles are used is it better to get one cun or 1/2 cun and what thickness of needles? Are 40 and 42 used? like red and light green colors? I also uses Seirin intradermals before theu have 3 different sizes any suggestions which size is good would be really appreciated. Thanks Julia --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ray Ford <ray wrote: > Ray Ford <ray > RE: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress from the bully fight....) > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:28 AM > I meant to say in my previous post..... > > Regular treatment has resolved so many cases-completely > even in the > recalcitrant chocoholics! It may be a deeper issue but it > is just as > possible for the channel to be blocked (for a myriad of > reasons) or > deficient without underlying organ/psychological > pathologies > > Ray > > _____ > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On > Behalf Of Daniel > Schulman > Sunday, 15 February 2009 9:03 AM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress > from the bully > fight....) > > > > Ray - can you elaborate on this - is this something you > sourced from > somewhere (source?) or > is it something you came up with. Is it theoretical or do > you also have > clinical evidence - > both diagnostic and treatment effectiveness? > Daniel > > Traditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40> > Chinese_Medicine , " Ray Ford " > <ray wrote: > > > > It may be of interest to note that fungus of the BIG > toe is actually a > Chong > > mai pathology. > > > > Ray > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hi You can get them from here: http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/section/304/1/seirin_acupuncture_needles Regards, Attilio Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Hi again Yulia, > > I forgot to mention the length - 1.5 inches. > > Andrea Beth > > Traditional Oriental Medicine > Happy Hours in the CALM Center > 1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5 > Cottonwood, AZ 86326 > (928) 274-1373 > > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 wrote: > Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 > facial acupuncture > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:41 AM > > > Hello, > I have a question about facial acupuncture. > What type of needles are used? > I know that Seirin needles are used is it better to get one cun or 1/2 cun > and what thickness of needles? Are 40 and 42 used? like red and light green > colors? > I also uses Seirin intradermals before theu have 3 different sizes any > suggestions which size is good would be really appreciated. > Thanks > Julia > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ray Ford <ray wrote: > > > Ray Ford <ray > > RE: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress from the > bully fight....) > > Chinese Medicine > > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:28 AM > > I meant to say in my previous post..... > > > > Regular treatment has resolved so many cases-completely > > even in the > > recalcitrant chocoholics! It may be a deeper issue but it > > is just as > > possible for the channel to be blocked (for a myriad of > > reasons) or > > deficient without underlying organ/psychological > > pathologies > > > > Ray > > > > _____ > > > > Chinese Medicine > > Chinese Medicine On > > Behalf Of Daniel > > Schulman > > Sunday, 15 February 2009 9:03 AM > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress > > from the bully > > fight....) > > > > > > > > Ray - can you elaborate on this - is this something you > > sourced from > > somewhere (source?) or > > is it something you came up with. Is it theoretical or do > > you also have > > clinical evidence - > > both diagnostic and treatment effectiveness? > > Daniel > > > > Traditional_ > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > Chinese_Medicine , " Ray Ford " > > <ray@> wrote: > > > > > > It may be of interest to note that fungus of the BIG > > toe is actually a > > Chong > > > mai pathology. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yuliya....... Although trained in facial acupuncture, I do not currently practice it. I just checked my course materials supplies and will list below: Seirin intradermals size: large (1x6) Seirin red 1 " with tubes; length 30mm, gauge 1 Seirin blue 1 " w/tubes; length 30mm, gauge 3 Seirin blue ear needles without tubes Seirin ivory 1 " w/tubes; length 30mm, gauge 2 My teacher incorporates body points along with the facial treatment. At no time did she ever mention using 1.5 " needles, although I suspect that some of us would prefer those for body points. As I recall, the ivory Seirins were most often used for facial acupuncture on men due to their generally thicker skin. If you have a strong interest in this area, I can tell you that I immensely enjoyed studying with Mary Elizabeth Wakefield. Hope this helps!: Kay King, DC, LAc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hi I was wondering where can you go for the seminars to learn scalp acupuncture and facial acupuncture. Thanks Tangela Tangela Bass, M.Ac Acupuncture Detox Specialist " For the mind to flower it has to go beyond what it knows " -Mother Meera --- On Sun, 2/15/09, <attiliodalberto wrote: <attiliodalberto Re: facial acupuncture Chinese Medicine Sunday, February 15, 2009, 12:30 PM Hi You can get them from here: http://www.chinesem edicinetimes. com/section/ 304/1/seirin_ acupuncture_ needles Regards, Attilio Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky <@.. .> wrote: > > Hi again Yulia, > > I forgot to mention the length - 1.5 inches. > > Andrea Beth > > Traditional Oriental Medicine > Happy Hours in the CALM Center > 1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5 > Cottonwood, AZ 86326 > (928) 274-1373 > > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 > wrote: > Yuliya Goldberg <ygold77 > > facial acupuncture > > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:41 AM > > > Hello, > I have a question about facial acupuncture. > What type of needles are used? > I know that Seirin needles are used is it better to get one cun or 1/2 cun > and what thickness of needles? Are 40 and 42 used? like red and light green > colors? > I also uses Seirin intradermals before theu have 3 different sizes any > suggestions which size is good would be really appreciated. > Thanks > Julia > > --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Ray Ford <ray wrote: > > > Ray Ford <ray > > RE: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress from the > bully fight....) > > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:28 AM > > I meant to say in my previous post..... > > > > Regular treatment has resolved so many cases-completely > > even in the > > recalcitrant chocoholics! It may be a deeper issue but it > > is just as > > possible for the channel to be blocked (for a myriad of > > reasons) or > > deficient without underlying organ/psychological > > pathologies > > > > Ray > > > > _____ > > > > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine > > [Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine ] On > > Behalf Of Daniel > > Schulman > > Sunday, 15 February 2009 9:03 AM > > > > Re: Prevalence of Toe Fungus (not to digress > > from the bully > > fight....) > > > > > > > > Ray - can you elaborate on this - is this something you > > sourced from > > somewhere (source?) or > > is it something you came up with. Is it theoretical or do > > you also have > > clinical evidence - > > both diagnostic and treatment effectiveness? > > Daniel > > > > Traditional_ > > <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com> > > Chinese_Medicine, " Ray Ford " > > <ray@> wrote: > > > > > > It may be of interest to note that fungus of the BIG > > toe is actually a > > Chong > > > mai pathology. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I almost always use 1/2 reds on the face. 1 inch greens if person is very sensitive. I don't do cosmetic work either, but went to one class. I don't think Elizabeth Wakefield would have used blue serins on the face. She was also doing body points. Anne - " spy9doc " <spy9doc " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:08:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern  Re: Facial acupuncture Yuliya....... Although trained in facial acupuncture, I do not currently practice it. I just checked my course materials supplies and will list below: Seirin intradermals size: large (1x6) Seirin red 1 " with tubes; length 30mm, gauge 1 Seirin blue 1 " w/tubes; length 30mm, gauge 3 Seirin blue ear needles without tubes Seirin ivory 1 " w/tubes; length 30mm, gauge 2 My teacher incorporates body points along with the facial treatment. At no time did she ever mention using 1.5 " needles, although I suspect that some of us would prefer those for body points. As I recall, the ivory Seirins were most often used for facial acupuncture on men due to their generally thicker skin. If you have a strong interest in this area, I can tell you that I immensely enjoyed studying with Mary Elizabeth Wakefield. Hope this helps!: Kay King, DC, LAc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I use Unico needles from Kenshin Trading. I use #00(0.12) x 10 mm but They have #01(0.14) x 10 mm #02(0.16) x 10 mm also. They are from Japan as well as Seirin and no oil or silicon on the tip. (I don't know if Seirin has something on the tip, though. Does someone know? I like Unico better because they are easier to handle) If you are interested in Kenshin Trading, please check, http://www.kenshin.com/ Ami Matsumoto, L.Ac. 10112 Riverside Dr. Toluca Lake, Ca91602 (818)506-5325 --- On Sun, 2/15/09, anne.crowley <anne.crowley wrote: > anne.crowley <anne.crowley > Re: Re: Facial acupuncture > " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > > Sunday, February 15, 2009, 4:53 PM > I almost always use 1/2 reds on the face. 1 inch greens if > person is very sensitive. I don't do cosmetic work > either, but went to one class. I don't think Elizabeth > Wakefield would have used blue serins on the face. She was > also doing body points. > > > > Anne > > > > - > " spy9doc " <spy9doc > " Traditional " > <Chinese Medicine > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:08:34 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Re: Facial acupuncture Yuliya....... > > Although trained in facial acupuncture, I do not currently > practice it. I just checked my course materials supplies and > will list below: > > Seirin intradermals size: large (1x6) > Seirin red 1 " with tubes; length 30mm, gauge 1 > Seirin blue 1 " w/tubes; length 30mm, gauge 3 > Seirin blue ear needles without tubes > Seirin ivory 1 " w/tubes; length 30mm, gauge 2 > > My teacher incorporates body points along with the facial > treatment. At no time did she ever mention using 1.5 " > needles, although I suspect that some of us would prefer > those for body points. As I recall, the ivory Seirins were > most often used for facial acupuncture on men due to their > generally thicker skin. > > If you have a strong interest in this area, I can tell you > that I immensely enjoyed studying with Mary Elizabeth > Wakefield. Hope this helps!: > > Kay King, DC, LAc. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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