ethics of treating pain (was Tung/Tan etc.)

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Lonny:

 

Here we part ways.

If a man comes to me and says he is hungry, and I have bread in my

cupboard, but I tell him I won't let him eat until he purifies his soul,

and if he dies, well, better luck in his next reincarnation...then I

would be a zealot and a lunatic, substituting arrogance and ideology for

compassion and observation.

 

to withhold relief of people's suffering until they conform to your

ideal for them is the height of arrogance and malpractice, IMO.

what you do, as far as your posts reveal, is a religious/spiritual

indoctrination and conversion process in which you assess the purity of

the patient's vessel and deem them worthy and clean if they eventually

conform to your " reality " .

I can't abide that. sorry.

 

good luck to you, but I can honestly say I don't think you and I are in

the same profession. you may agree.

 

Ben Hawes, L.Ac.

 

Rennah: If they came with physical pain then I think we

are compelled to provide relief as much and as quick as possible.

 

Lonny: I disagree.

 

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I second that opinion that succinct opinion of Dr. Hawes. Well said!

 

Don Snow DAOM

 

 

 

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bhawes: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:33:00 -0700TCM -

Re: ethics of treating pain (was Tung/Tan etc.)

 

 

 

Lonny:Here we part ways.If a man comes to me and says he is hungry, and I have

bread in my cupboard, but I tell him I won't let him eat until he purifies his

soul, and if he dies, well, better luck in his next reincarnation...then I would

be a zealot and a lunatic, substituting arrogance and ideology for compassion

and observation.to withhold relief of people's suffering until they conform to

your ideal for them is the height of arrogance and malpractice, IMO.what you do,

as far as your posts reveal, is a religious/spiritual indoctrination and

conversion process in which you assess the purity of the patient's vessel and

deem them worthy and clean if they eventually conform to your " reality " .I can't

abide that. sorry.good luck to you, but I can honestly say I don't think you and

I are in the same profession. you may agree.Ben Hawes, L.Ac.Rennah: If they came

with physical pain then I think weare compelled to provide relief as much and as

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[Guest guest]

What if a man comes to you and " says he is hungry " and you determine

that he's a glutton? What if you determine that he shouldn't eat

bread? What if you give him the bread and he has no gratitude? What if

he says he's hungry but you know he's lying? What if he says he's

hungry but you determine he has a bleeding ulcer? What if he says he's

hungry and then after you feed him you see him go across the street to

a bakery and come out with a cupcake?

 

You continually put words in my mouth and set up false arguments I've

never made to shoot down. Why don't you actually address the points

that I have made? Are you incapable or just unwilling?

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Benjamin Hawes,

L.Ac. " <bhawes wrote:

 

 

" Rennah: If they came with physical pain then I think we

are compelled to provide relief as much and as quick as possible. "

 

 

 

We are also compelled to know when it is appropriate, kind, and

professionally ethical, to bail out - even if just for a time - and

seek the assistance of others who can help folk 'manage' their pain.

It can take a village [apologies to Ms H Clinton]

 

kindly neighbours

a spiritual advisor or two

family and friends

comedians and jokers

butchers and bakers and candle-stick makers and green-grocers

a medicine man or woman

et al

 

We are profoundly ignorant, if we consider that one practitioner, one

person, one treatment modality, one school of thought, might provide

more than a couple of the myriad responses and interventions which

effectively relieve 'pain'.

 

Heck, if health practitioners of all persuasions were so good at this,

few people would ever experience chronic pain.

 

Margi