Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Completely bogus! My teachrer, Master Gin Foon Mark, and I have witnessed many of these demonstrations. Neither one of us has ever been moved by the so-called Master or the Master has refused to demonstrate on us stating that we might br injured since we don't have the prope training. The only people the Master could demonstrate his powers successfuly were on his students. Erlle Miontaigue, a world famous Tai Ci teacher, has offered money to anyone that could make him move without contact. No one has collected. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Why would anyone even go the trouble of " faking it " ?....especially the caucasion black belts in the videos. I have to admit I am really taken by this demo especially with the Dharma talk and understanding. Maybe I'm just a naive westerner.....but i don't see how the responses could have been faked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Turiya - they are not intentionally faking it. There is a difference between engaging someone you trust and respect, and having intentional malice toward someone. It is a simple situation actually - In an elevator everyone adjusts their space / qi to be most comfortable. That's all it is. In an elevator we all cooperate with eachother (and there are deep impulses and " subconsciously " enforce this cooperation). Imagine what happens when an uncooperative person comes in - everyone adjusts themselves according to the uncooperative person, who simply takes the space they want. The teacher and students have trust and respect and can harbour no malice toward eachother. And malice is what is necessary to break out of this body-language/qi-interaction behaviour that people have. This sort of demonstration should be explained more clearly so that people don't get the idea that this is what you do with a malicious / crazed attacker. If you watch the moments when there is contact though, it is obvious that the teacher does have legitimate physical skill. As far as hurting someone, well, again we have to ask ourselves what our definition of qi is. The whole mind-body question crops up again. Is it really just in our minds? All I can say is that, in my personal experience, a certain species of iron palm works, and upon (very) light impact leaves a red palm print on the recipient which burns. A heavier or more concentrated attack of this sort screws up the energy system dangerously. If anyone can explain the physiology behind that, I'd be interested to know their opinion. In fact, just the other day I made a mistake while needling someone: Back sprain type injury, ashi point lateral to b27, age of injury 3/4 of a year now, constant pain, mixed presentation but mainly deficiency and cold (has been applying ice for 3/4 of a year). I inserted only one needle into the centre of the ashi point, about 1 centimetre depth. No change, no effect, no sensation almost five minutes later. I wanted to be gentle, so I thought I wouldn't stimulate anymore and do some (no contact) qi gong on the point. I started thinking about something else, unfortunately, and automaticaly started pulling qi OUT of the point through the needle, about 3 seconds into the qi gong I was brought out of my reverie by my patient going into severe spasms - the worst he had experienced even compared to the pain he had when the injury was new. I guess it was just chance (whew!) So I don't do acupuncture anymore, he is no longer applying ice at all, is applying heat and hot poultices, and taking herbs which boost his yang and qi. Luckily (again, chance - so far we're exactly at 50/50!!) he is feeling a lot better. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Turiya Hill <turiya Chinese Medicine Wednesday, 21 January, 2009 17:23:56 Re: Digest Number 2923 Re: Chi Kung Why would anyone even go the trouble of " faking it " ?....especially the caucasion black belts in the videos. I have to admit I am really taken by this demo especially with the Dharma talk and understanding. Maybe I'm just a naive westerner... ..but i don't see how the responses could have been faked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I don't know, but I have had teachers who knew I wouldn't be able to stay and learn, and have shown me things quickly, so I would know what humans are capable of. I have spent a lot of time searching this stuff out. I am amazed again at the level of disbelief in this arena, I thought there were martial artists here who could tell fact from fiction. The even ancient classics of acupuncture and qi kung, all tell us, when you are unselfish, all is yours. You can steer your intent deeply. Are you telling me, in your martial practice, you haven't felt this, in your acupuncture practice, the days you are open, aren't the most effective times? Maybe the people who see this as practised stunts, just aren't travelled enough. Don't tell me this is bullshit, I know better. In your own medical practice, weren't there times when you could feel this power rising? Out the clinic window there is reality. Are you unfortunate? I am. I was forced to spend a lot of time in a prison, I am a family man, a good man, it doesn't matter where or why. I am a good man, I never hurt anybody or robbed them, I can exist without water, food or communion. I thrive in hostile situations like many wives today, I love my gentle wife. But I'm not a pussy. I'm a fucking man. I am your brother, your student, and your teacher. I will kill you if you want, and i will drink and talk with you too, brother. This world is tough! The strongest of you motherfucker asskickers is a short lived life. What does this world mean to you? Live to be the Grandpa, the guy who sees his daughters grandchildren visit him. Love Love. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui wrote: flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui Digest Number 2923 Re: Chi Kung Chinese Medicine Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:34 PM Curly, Larry and Moe would be proud of the slapstick in that clip. Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Turiya Hill " <turiya wrote: > > Why would anyone even go the trouble of " faking it " ?....especially the caucasion black belts in the videos. I have to admit I am really taken by this demo especially with the Dharma talk and understanding. Maybe I'm just a naive westerner... ..but i don't see how the responses could have been faked. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 You're not ready. Thanks --- On Wed, 1/21/09, martyeisen <martyeisen wrote: martyeisen <martyeisen Re: Digest Number 2923 Re: Chi Kung Chinese Medicine Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 4:32 PM Completely bogus! My teachrer, Master Gin Foon Mark, and I have witnessed many of these demonstrations. Neither one of us has ever been moved by the so-called Master or the Master has refused to demonstrate on us stating that we might br injured since we don't have the prope training. The only people the Master could demonstrate his powers successfuly were on his students. Erlle Miontaigue, a world famous Tai Ci teacher, has offered money to anyone that could make him move without contact. No one has collected. ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121585 5013x1201028747/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072% 26hmpgID= 62%26bcd= De cemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi again, Turiya and all: It came to me roughly how to explain the phenomena to a group of acupuncturists: Between two enemies the wei qi is *completely* consolidated, blocked, tight. There is very little contact and influence between two enemies (they don't listen to each other, right?).. It's like two shields bashing against eachother. Between a teacher and student, however, the wei qi is not consolidated, and in fact is open and receptive to influence between the two people. It's like a dance. Someone comes into your office and you feel drained = wei qi not consolidated Someone comes into your office and you get their headache = wei qi not consolidated Consolidated wei qi can exert the opposite effect, i.e. the practitioner creates a heaing resonance or signal which a weak wei qi field can pick up. This isn't to say that very subtle qi effects don't happen at a distance, because they do, it's just that a real attacker is fully consolidated against you. The nature of a real attack is commitment.. It's like in tai chi, where you see people moving slowly and softly.. That is training only, application is fast and has very hard whip like motions. There are very soft nullifying techniques, but the softer you're going to be, the higher your skill level must be in relation to your attacker. Hope that helps. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www..chinesemedicaltherapies.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 The fun of ordinary relationships is always the same, everyone wants constistancy with their friends, and lovers. How about when you are alone? Are we ever? No, no. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hugo Ramiro <subincor Re: Digest Number 2923 Re: Chi Kung Chinese Medicine Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:39 PM Hi again, Turiya and all: It came to me roughly how to explain the phenomena to a group of acupuncturists: Between two enemies the wei qi is *completely* consolidated, blocked, tight. There is very little contact and influence between two enemies (they don't listen to each other, right?).. It's like two shields bashing against eachother. Between a teacher and student, however, the wei qi is not consolidated, and in fact is open and receptive to influence between the two people. It's like a dance. Someone comes into your office and you feel drained = wei qi not consolidated Someone comes into your office and you get their headache = wei qi not consolidated Consolidated wei qi can exert the opposite effect, i.e. the practitioner creates a heaing resonance or signal which a weak wei qi field can pick up. This isn't to say that very subtle qi effects don't happen at a distance, because they do, it's just that a real attacker is fully consolidated against you. The nature of a real attack is commitment.. It's like in tai chi, where you see people moving slowly and softly.. That is training only, application is fast and has very hard whip like motions. There are very soft nullifying techniques, but the softer you're going to be, the higher your skill level must be in relation to your attacker. Hope that helps. Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.. chinesemedicalth erapies.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I must apologize, i am sorry to get so animated over this. i think this is in a way wonderful to be able to see so many things, but as always, we see what we can see from our own reference points. it may be useful to look at the evolution of dr. yueng(lama dondrop dorje), and see where in about 1995, probably surfacing at places much earlier, he was confident enough to demonstrate this qikung. and we live in a entertainment hiearchy, i question everything also. peace, forgive me. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: mystir <ykcul_ritsym Re: Digest Number 2923 Re: Chi Kung Chinese Medicine Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:30 PM I don't know, but I have had teachers who knew I wouldn't be able to stay and learn, and have shown me things quickly, so I would know what humans are capable of. I have spent a lot of time searching this stuff out. I am amazed again at the level of disbelief in this arena, I thought there were martial artists here who could tell fact from fiction. The even ancient classics of acupuncture and qi kung, all tell us, when you are unselfish, all is yours. You can steer your intent deeply. Are you telling me, in your martial practice, you haven't felt this, in your acupuncture practice, the days you are open, aren't the most effective times? Maybe the people who see this as practised stunts, just aren't travelled enough. Don't tell me this is bullshit, I know better. In your own medical practice, weren't there times when you could feel this power rising? Out the clinic window there is reality. Are you unfortunate? I am. I was forced to spend a lot of time in a prison, I am a family man, a good man, it doesn't matter where or why. I am a good man, I never hurt anybody or robbed them, I can exist without water, food or communion. I thrive in hostile situations like many wives today, I love my gentle wife. But I'm not a pussy. I'm a fucking man. I am your brother, your student, and your teacher. I will kill you if you want, and i will drink and talk with you too, brother. This world is tough! The strongest of you motherfucker asskickers is a short lived life. What does this world mean to you? Live to be the Grandpa, the guy who sees his daughters grandchildren visit him. Love Love. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui @> wrote: flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui @> Digest Number 2923 Re: Chi Kung Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 5:34 PM Curly, Larry and Moe would be proud of the slapstick in that clip. Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Turiya Hill " <turiya wrote: > > Why would anyone even go the trouble of " faking it " ?....especially the caucasion black belts in the videos. I have to admit I am really taken by this demo especially with the Dharma talk and understanding. Maybe I'm just a naive westerner... ..but i don't see how the responses could have been faked. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Here is a documentary on the man's career. Most go undocumented. Martial artists in particular will, I think, see the truth here. And the truth is not hypnotism, or collusion or fakery, but simply the flower of the art. Crazy to see this on the internet to me, i grew up when tv was new. So... part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkoO1LVcbvw & feature=related part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDzI0xGPY4 & feature=related part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_lI2qM2i60 & feature=related part4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtwV5ZqvuIs & feature=related part5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvNK14dUBnM & feature=related part6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2TYLkVdVk & feature=related part7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le5iiKGGoqk & feature=related part8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYS-9ZvTfnI & feature=related part9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjJ-RCgyvLM & feature=related part10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN92zVb6HU8 & feature=related part11 not available part12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVuf2Gx1ouQ & NR=1 part13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlF937SmcUE & feature=related part14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0yKpXoLPLI & feature=related part15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXU0rm0Kxc & feature=related heart sutra with qi kung as vehicle part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26pJkYhHGek & feature=related part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unky5j0I598 & feature=related part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtTKmhSRLW8 & feature=related part4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr_kgirnAxM & feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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