Petition to Incorporate Integrative CAM into Obama's health care policy

[Guest guest]

Aloha all,

 

I'm passing this petition on...

I just signed it. Hope you do too.

 

" Hi All,

This seems so important at the time when new health care policy is being

formed!

Sign this petition for Obama to Incorporate Integrative CAM into his health

care policy.

 

Do it NOW-it takes less than a minute and then pass it on to every MD, DO,

ND, DC, LAc you know who wants to see this happen!!!

 

http://www.petitiononline.com/ACAMYES/petition.html

"

 

--

aka Mu bong Lim

Father of Bhakti

 

The Four Reliances:

Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

meaning that underlies them.

Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

rely upon the definitive meaning.

And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Before you sign this, stop and think long and hard.From what I see of O'Bama's

healthcare plan and the people he has set up to run it, I expect it to be a

disaster. Itlooks like they are aiming at low budget, socialized, third world

healthcare and I for one would like to see TCM

 stand alone and above the mess. It may turn out that TCM will be the refuge for

those who cannot get the quality, humanitarian treatments they need. If you

disagree, stop and think how well government (and I mean under all

administrations going way back) runs anything. Do you really want them making

the decisions over whether you or your loved ones get the treatments they need?

Well, you no longer have that choice so wouldn't it be nice if TCM could he the

saving grace for the many who suffer under the new system? Just my humble

thought. God Bless..............Betty

 

--- On Fri, 1/9/09, <johnkokko wrote:

 

<johnkokko

Petition to Incorporate Integrative CAM into Obama's health care

policy

Chinese Medicine ,

, tcmreview,

ACTCM_alumni

Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aloha all,

 

I'm passing this petition on...

I just signed it. Hope you do too.

 

" Hi All,

This seems so important at the time when new health care policy is being

formed!

Sign this petition for Obama to Incorporate Integrative CAM into his health

care policy.

 

Do it NOW-it takes less than a minute and then pass it on to every MD, DO,

ND, DC, LAc you know who wants to see this happen!!!

 

http://www.petition online.com/ ACAMYES/petition .html

"

 

--

aka Mu bong Lim

Father of Bhakti

 

The Four Reliances:

Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

meaning that underlies them.

Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

rely upon the definitive meaning.

And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I strongly feel that we should sign. Nobody makes decisions for you, as a

patient you can go out and purchase whatever services you want and are able to

pay for, this situation is exactly the same in socialized medicine as it is

without it. In socialized medicine as a provider you are NOT forced to

participate, you can treat for cash if you want to, if you can attract enough

wealthy clients.

 

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa

 

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

 

Phone: 503 364 3022

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MedicWoman

Chinese Medicine

Friday, January 09, 2009 2:34 PM

Re: Petition to Incorporate Integrative CAM into Obama's health

care policy

 

 

Before you sign this, stop and think long and hard.From what I see of O'Bama's

healthcare plan and the people he has set up to run it, I expect it to be a

disaster. Itlooks like they are aiming at low budget, socialized, third world

healthcare and I for one would like to see TCM

stand alone and above the mess. It may turn out that TCM will be the refuge

for those who cannot get the quality, humanitarian treatments they need. If you

disagree, stop and think how well government (and I mean under all

administrations going way back) runs anything. Do you really want them making

the decisions over whether you or your loved ones get the treatments they need?

Well, you no longer have that choice so wouldn't it be nice if TCM could he the

saving grace for the many who suffer under the new system? Just my humble

thought. God Bless..............Betty

 

--- On Fri, 1/9/09, <johnkokko wrote:

 

<johnkokko

Petition to Incorporate Integrative CAM into Obama's health

care policy

Chinese Medicine ,

, tcmreview,

ACTCM_alumni

Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:31 AM

 

Aloha all,

 

I'm passing this petition on...

I just signed it. Hope you do too.

 

" Hi All,

This seems so important at the time when new health care policy is being

formed!

Sign this petition for Obama to Incorporate Integrative CAM into his health

care policy.

 

Do it NOW-it takes less than a minute and then pass it on to every MD, DO,

ND, DC, LAc you know who wants to see this happen!!!

 

http://www.petition online.com/ ACAMYES/petition .html

"

 

--

aka Mu bong Lim

Father of Bhakti

 

The Four Reliances:

Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

meaning that underlies them.

Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

rely upon the definitive meaning.

And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

 

[Guest guest]

While, I do have a bit more faith in government, I would still stay far away

from being a part of government -controlled health care. I think it is needed

for the 38 million people that are uninsured. But I don't want to be a part of

it as a provider. Nor do I want to be a part of Medicare. Any of us as

entreprenuers can charge whatever rates we want. As is evidenced by Community

Acupuncture centers, the rates can be quite low, if that is what you choose to

do.

 

Anne

 

--

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

 

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

MedicWoman <medicwoman

> Before you sign this, stop and think long and hard.From what I see of O'Bama's

> healthcare plan and the people he has set up to run it, I expect it to be a

> disaster. Itlooks like they are aiming at low budget, socialized, third world

> healthcare and I for one would like to see TCM

>  stand alone and above the mess. It may turn out that TCM will be the refuge

for

> those who cannot get the quality, humanitarian treatments they need. If you

> disagree, stop and think how well government (and I mean under all

> administrations going way back) runs anything. Do you really want them making

> the decisions over whether you or your loved ones get the treatments they

need?

> Well, you no longer have that choice so wouldn't it be nice if TCM could he

the

> saving grace for the many who suffer under the new system? Just my humble

> thought. God Bless..............Betty

>

> --- On Fri, 1/9/09, <johnkokko wrote:

>

> <johnkokko

> Petition to Incorporate Integrative CAM into Obama's health

care

> policy

> Chinese Medicine ,

> , tcmreview,

> ACTCM_alumni

> Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:31 AM

Aloha all,

>

> I'm passing this petition on...

> I just signed it. Hope you do too.

>

> " Hi All,

> This seems so important at the time when new health care policy is being

> formed!

> Sign this petition for Obama to Incorporate Integrative CAM into his health

> care policy.

>

> Do it NOW-it takes less than a minute and then pass it on to every MD, DO,

> ND, DC, LAc you know who wants to see this happen!!!

>

> http://www.petition online.com/ ACAMYES/petition .html

> "

>

> --

> aka Mu bong Lim

> Father of Bhakti

>

> The Four Reliances:

> Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

> As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

> meaning that underlies them.

> Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

> rely upon the definitive meaning.

> And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

> consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi John:

 

This does no appear to be the most carefuly worded petition.  Perhaps it would

be a good springboad for discussion.  The following are my thoughts.

 

1)  I will not sign a letter that says " We, the undersigned medical doctors "

because my credentials are not M.D.

 

2)  I feel if we are petitioning to have TCM added as a recognized healthcare

modality, it would not be relevant or wise to include in that letter a bashing

of the conventional medical community, as this petition does.

 

3)  The organization that is putting forth this petition appears to be a medical

organization that promotes chelation therapy for detoxification.  I personally

feel safer therapies exist for detoxification, and stand with the conventional

western medical community in having reservations about this procedure.

 

4)  I do not believe there is any such thing as " complementary and alternative

medicine " or " integrative medicine " .  These are fishnet terms that deprive TCM

and other disciplines of  their respective histories and definitive principles. 

It further implies that all other forms of medicine are valid only to the extent

that they are adjunctive to western medicine.

 

5)  In lieu of the above, I am an advocate for a pluralistic medical community,

in which each medical discipline is responsible for its own self-definition and

standards, including creation of valid research protocols and assessment of

findings.  Essentially, this would place more responsibility on patients for

selection of their care as it would eliminate a single authoritarian medicine as

holder of ultimate liability.

 

All medicine has the potential for great service and healing but, in one way or

another,  they also all fall short.  There is room and need for all disciplines

to contribute what they have to contribute, while acknowledging their

limitations and hence need to defer to others.

 

So that's my two cents.   Anyone else have an opinion on this?  

 

best regards,

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

 

<johnkokko

Chinese Medicine ;

; tcmreview;

ACTCM_alumni

Friday, January 9, 2009 9:31:17 AM

Petition to Incorporate Integrative CAM into Obama's health care

policy

 

Aloha all,

 

I'm passing this petition on...

I just signed it. Hope you do too.

 

" Hi All,

This seems so important at the time when new health care policy is being

formed!

Sign this petition for Obama to Incorporate Integrative CAM into his health

care policy.

 

Do it NOW-it takes less than a minute and then pass it on to every MD, DO,

ND, DC, LAc you know who wants to see this happen!!!

 

http://www.petition online.com/ ACAMYES/petition .html

"

 

--

aka Mu bong Lim

Father of Bhakti

 

The Four Reliances:

Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching.

As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the

meaning that underlies them.

Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but

rely upon the definitive meaning.

And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary

consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Gena,

 

I think your first point is very important and should be communicated with

the petitioners...

Is # 1 a legal detail that could negate our signatures?

The rest are ok by me....

# 2 I'm not sure that it's " bashing " the conventional medical community...

that may be more subjective.

# 3... I'm not sure it matters if they promote chelation or not, what do

others think? Many groups would think

that we're barbaric because we still bleed points and that pulse diagnosis

is our primary diagnostic parameter.

There's so much diversity out there in treatment protocols.. that's a

given.. maybe that's your point and mine too.

# 4... I do promote Integrative medicine myself (CAM), because our patients

are going to do both,

regardless of our philosophies. Hopefully, they will get allopathic testing

and treatment done if it is necessary

and come to see us when it is necessary. I don't think that any one medical

system is complete in itself and that's

the point in integration. Now, for 90% of their complaints, Asian medicine

is going to be just fine.

# 5... People always have the choice, but not always the means. No one is

forcing anyone to go with acupuncture if it is included in the new

" universal " health care plans. It just gives them the opportunity to go

with it, if they choose to do so.

There are nearly 46 million people (18% of the US population) under 65, who

are uninsured. Many of these people are the ones who absolutely need our

care and won't try Asian medicine unless it's covered in their insurance

plan. The access may give us more opportunities to work in hospitals and

elderly care and reach out to the underprivileged. I, for one, want to get

this profound medicine out to those who need it, not just those who can

afford it. In turn, we'll get more students in the schools, more money for

research and more clinics in the communities. If not, we'll stay in

isolation and be like a lake without a river to feed it.

Thanks for your feedback.

 

K.

 

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM, wrote:

 

> Hi John:

>

> This does no appear to be the most carefuly worded petition. Perhaps it

> would be a good springboad for discussion. The following are my thoughts.

>

> 1) I will not sign a letter that says " We, the undersigned medical

> doctors " because my credentials are not M.D.

>

> 2) I feel if we are petitioning to have TCM added as a recognized

> healthcare modality, it would not be relevant or wise to include in that

> letter a bashing of the conventional medical community, as this petition

> does.

>

> 3) The organization that is putting forth this petition appears to be a

> medical organization that promotes chelation therapy for detoxification. I

> personally feel safer therapies exist for detoxification, and stand with the

> conventional western medical community in having reservations about this

> procedure.

>

> 4) I do not believe there is any such thing as " complementary and

> alternative medicine " or " integrative medicine " . These are fishnet terms

> that deprive TCM and other disciplines of their respective histories and

> definitive principles. It further implies that all other forms of medicine

> are valid only to the extent that they are adjunctive to western medicine.

>

> 5) In lieu of the above, I am an advocate for a pluralistic medical

> community, in which each medical discipline is responsible for its own

> self-definition and standards, including creation of valid research

> protocols and assessment of findings. Essentially, this would place more

> responsibility on patients for selection of their care as it would eliminate

> a single authoritarian medicine as holder of ultimate liability.

>

> All medicine has the potential for great service and healing but, in one

> way or another, they also all fall short. There is room and need for all

> disciplines to contribute what they have to contribute, while acknowledging

> their limitations and hence need to defer to others.

>

> So that's my two cents. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

>

> best regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Here is the upcoming " Summit on Integrative Medicine and the Health of the

Public " may related to this topic.

http://www.iom.edu/?ID=52555

The Institute of Medicine of the National Academies will issue a white paper for

recommendation.

This conference is free.

If you are interested to impact the health care policy, you should check out

this summit.

Here is the article from Wall Street Journal related to this topic.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123146318996466585.html

Sincerely,

Ta-Ya

 

 

Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA

Johns Hopkins Community Physicians

Wyman Park Internal Medicine

Phone 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413

 

Canton Crossing Integrative Medicine

410-522-9940

 

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