infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

[Guest guest]

Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

[Guest guest]

Have a look at:

http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/product/460/300/tdp_lamp___standard_head

 

Attilio

 

Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom "

<jasonwcom wrote:

>

> Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I use the TDP (rare-earth) ones. It depends on how you are going to use it,

I think. The problem with the infrared bulbs is that if you want to focus

it on someone's shoulder in the supine position they are getting blasted in

the eyes by the light. If you are only planning on using it to heat feet

and backs for comfort then the bulb will likely work just fine. I think the

heat of the TDP is nicer than the bulbs, but that is just my opinion.

 

 

 

Sean

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of jasonwcom

Monday, December 22, 2008 2:11 AM

Chinese Medicine

infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

 

 

 

Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've found that the rare earth plates do better at tonifying qi and yang and

drying damp than infra red lamps. The heating effect seems to permeate the

patient's entire body, whereas the infra reds seem to only do some local,

relatively superficial heating.

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

 

There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts for

bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

people warm overall.

 

jasonwcom wrote:

>

> Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp. All the lamps I've ever

owned heat up fast (2 min) and get quite hot and keep patients who are severely

yang-def very warm. What brand is it?

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

Chinese Medicine

Monday, 22 December, 2008 13:06:44

Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

 

 

I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

 

There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts for

bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

people warm overall.

 

jasonwcom wrote:

>

> Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I second that, never had a problem with the plated one, gets rather hot and I

have to be careful not to burn the skin, patients report that the heat

penetration is deeper than from the heat lamp.A.Zide L.Ac.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Chinese Medicine

Monday, December 22, 2008 3:02:51 PM

Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

 

 

Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp. All the lamps I've ever

owned heat up fast (2 min) and get quite hot and keep patients who are severely

yang-def very warm. What brand is it?

 

Hugo

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

____________ _________ _________ __

" Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel@fiveseasonswe llness.com>

 

Monday, 22 December, 2008 13:06:44

Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

 

I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

 

There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts for

bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

people warm overall.

 

jasonwcom wrote:

>

> Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

>

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp.

 

 Hi. I agree there's a problem with your tdp lamp. I know the resistive heating

element wire that connects the main power to the mineral plate in the head of

the unit can erode or corode and lower the output. Sometimes the short heater

wire breaks near the mineral plate, and is a pain to repair. These are because

the heat buildup inside the head unit. Less common, a switch or the timer goes

bad.

 There is a recommended replacement interval for the mineral plate also,

measured in hours of use.(something like 200 hrs., I forget- but that's easy

enough to find)

 I like tdp lamps too, but wish they were more rugged.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have tried ones from three different manufacturers, and I have to concur

that they are all less than rugged. I put them through their paces though,

as do most others I suspect. I have ripped them all apart, and the only

thing that really separates most is the controlling mechanism. They are all

basically the same, some have fuses, some don't . If you are handy you will

get good at changing out the heater plates. I wish they would design these

better so they were easier to replace though. Unless you replace the whole

head (on models which allow this) it is a pain to replace the heater coil.

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of mystir

Monday, December 22, 2008 3:40 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat

lamp

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Hugo Ramiro <subincor

<subincor%40> > wrote:

 

Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp.

 

Hi. I agree there's a problem with your tdp lamp. I know the resistive

heating element wire that connects the main power to the mineral plate in

the head of the unit can erode or corode and lower the output. Sometimes the

short heater wire breaks near the mineral plate, and is a pain to repair.

These are because the heat buildup inside the head unit. Less common, a

switch or the timer goes bad.

There is a recommended replacement interval for the mineral plate also,

measured in hours of use.(something like 200 hrs., I forget- but that's easy

enough to find)

I like tdp lamps too, but wish they were more rugged.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Can anyone suggest a reputable US supplier for TDP lamps?

 

Many thanks,

 

Jane

[Guest guest]

He maybe needs to change the rare-earth plate you are supposed to

every so many thousand hours of useage...

 

Thanks for the opinions everyone, I recently came into possession of a

bulb-type and I had only used the rare-earth plate type before...I wax

under the impression that there was a magnet effect with the

plate-type but what I'm reading on the net describes only a certain

frequency of infrared...

 

Chinese Medicine , alexander zide

<alexander_zide wrote:

>

> I second that, never had a problem with the plated one, gets rather

hot and I have to be careful not to burn the skin, patients report

that the heat penetration is deeper than from the heat lamp.A.Zide L.Ac.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro <subincor

> Chinese Medicine

> Monday, December 22, 2008 3:02:51 PM

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate

type heat lamp

>

>

> Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp. All the lamps

I've ever owned heat up fast (2 min) and get quite hot and keep

patients who are severely yang-def very warm. What brand is it?

>

> Hugo

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel@fiveseasonswe llness.com>

>

> Monday, 22 December, 2008 13:06:44

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate

type heat lamp

>

> I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

> people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

>

> There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

> times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

> I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

> problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts

for

> bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

> people warm overall.

>

> jasonwcom wrote:

> >

> > Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

 Hi. I'm going to cover a lot of info in as few words as possible, because I

love this group. I see there are a lot of brilliant people here who cover a

broad spectrum from technicians to expert TCM traditionalists who can handle

most anything, and enthusiastic begginers . But our common interest, is helping

other people, and ourselves.

 Some of us practice immortality and all that 'craziness', and others let go our

feelings, our qi, to whoever comes to our door for help. And here also, are

those who want to raise thier family and make the world society more

compassionate, and sustainable. This is beautiful. 

 On a technical note about this thread,  Here we see the difference between the

frequencies of point stimulators, which regardless of their power supply(ac or

dc/battery) deliver a clean, adjustable wave output, free of 50 or 60 hz 120vac

input, like medical photo-isolated devices, are free of a true ground, and the

thermal products (tdp or infrared). When the ac voltage is used to fire up a tdp

or infrared lamp, the cycles don't matter so much, because the units have a

collective charge, they vibrate and emit heat in the electromagnetic spectrum

because of their delay. They, depending on their composition, act like a

capacitive filter, so they glow. The rare earth or mineral lamps emit a more

broad spectrum 'heat'. The infrared a more localised light-like effect.

 There is tons of information about vibrational healing on the 'web'. I'd like

to focus on real healing experiences we've had, for ourselves and patients,

without the extrapolations of theory somewhat.     

 What works? Ultraviolet for skin disorders? Sound? Kinetheisec testing with

tones?  Dark, light, with tones? Color therapy? The basis of a healthy life will

always be love, family, friends, good food, good rest, and optimism, but how can

we accentuate it?

 Just thoughts. Merry Christmas,  joy without end, thanks.

 

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote:

jasonwcom <jasonwcom

Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:25 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He maybe needs to change the rare-earth plate you are supposed to

 

every so many thousand hours of useage...

 

 

 

Thanks for the opinions everyone, I recently came into possession of a

 

bulb-type and I had only used the rare-earth plate type before...I wax

 

under the impression that there was a magnet effect with the

 

plate-type but what I'm reading on the net describes only a certain

 

frequency of infrared...

 

 

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , alexander zide

 

<alexander_zide@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> I second that, never had a problem with the plated one, gets rather

 

hot and I have to be careful not to burn the skin, patients report

 

that the heat penetration is deeper than from the heat lamp.A.Zide L.Ac.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Hugo Ramiro <subincor@.. .>

 

>

 

> Monday, December 22, 2008 3:02:51 PM

 

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate

 

type heat lamp

 

>

 

>

 

> Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp. All the lamps

 

I've ever owned heat up fast (2 min) and get quite hot and keep

 

patients who are severely yang-def very warm. What brand is it?

 

>

 

> Hugo

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Hugo Ramiro

 

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

 

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel@fiveseasonsw e llness.com>

 

>

 

> Monday, 22 December, 2008 13:06:44

 

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate

 

type heat lamp

 

>

 

> I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

 

> people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

 

>

 

> There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

 

> times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

 

> I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

 

> problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts

 

for

 

> bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

 

> people warm overall.

 

>

 

> jasonwcom wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

 

> >

 

> >

 

>

 

>

[Guest guest]

It's not my heat lamp, so I don't know how old it is or how much it has

been used. It is a " Natural " brand lamp.

 

I'm glad to hear others like the TDP lamps. I might buy one of my own

and test it out.

 

Thanks!

Ariel

 

Hugo Ramiro wrote:

>

> Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp. All the lamps

> I've ever owned heat up fast (2 min) and get quite hot and keep

> patients who are severely yang-def very warm. What brand is it?

>

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com <http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com>

> http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

> <http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org>

>

> ________________________________

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel

> <ariel%40fiveseasonswellness.com>>

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Monday, 22 December, 2008 13:06:44

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type

> heat lamp

>

> I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

> people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

>

> There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

> times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

> I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

> problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts for

> bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

> people warm overall.

>

> jasonwcom wrote:

> >

> > Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sean,

 

Is there a particular brand you prefer?

 

Ariel

 

 

Sean Doherty wrote:

>

> I have tried ones from three different manufacturers, and I have to concur

> that they are all less than rugged. I put them through their paces though,

> as do most others I suspect. I have ripped them all apart, and the only

> thing that really separates most is the controlling mechanism. They

> are all

> basically the same, some have fuses, some don't . If you are handy you

> will

> get good at changing out the heater plates. I wish they would design these

> better so they were easier to replace though. Unless you replace the whole

> head (on models which allow this) it is a pain to replace the heater

> coil.

>

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> [Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of

> mystir

> Monday, December 22, 2008 3:40 PM

> Chinese Medicine

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat

> lamp

>

> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Hugo Ramiro <subincor

> <subincor%40>

> <subincor%40> > wrote:

>

> Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp.

>

> Hi. I agree there's a problem with your tdp lamp. I know the resistive

> heating element wire that connects the main power to the mineral plate in

> the head of the unit can erode or corode and lower the output.

> Sometimes the

> short heater wire breaks near the mineral plate, and is a pain to repair.

> These are because the heat buildup inside the head unit. Less common, a

> switch or the timer goes bad.

> There is a recommended replacement interval for the mineral plate also,

> measured in hours of use.(something like 200 hrs., I forget- but

> that's easy

> enough to find)

> I like tdp lamps too, but wish they were more rugged.

>

>

[Guest guest]

 Hi Ariel, if you have 120v from your wall outlet, and the lamp doesn't get

warm, there is a problem with the lamp. Everytime I visit friend's clinics, they

get me to repair their stuff, most often saving 2 out of 3 tdp lamps. (saves

them $500)

  Another way to see if your wall socket power is ok, is to plug any other

appliance in to it. If something works, even a regular lamp, you are probably

ok.

 Those tdp lamps are not snobish, if you only have 90vac, they'll just run

cooler and thier timing slower. Maybe that's desireable someplaces. Actually, to

think about it, except for some timer modules, those suckers may run on up to

50volts at 2-3amps DC too. Which means, like some of my other dc equipment, I

could feed them power from a solar panel array. How's that for chronotherapy.

Let me try it first, though. If you don't know how to use a multimeter, you

don't want to break or fry anything.

 

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. <ariel

wrote:

Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. <ariel

Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type heat lamp

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 2:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not my heat lamp, so I don't know how old it is or how much it

has

 

been used. It is a " Natural " brand lamp.

 

 

 

I'm glad to hear others like the TDP lamps. I might buy one of my own

 

and test it out.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

Ariel

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro wrote:

 

>

 

> Hi Ariel, there may be something wrong with your lamp. All the lamps

 

> I've ever owned heat up fast (2 min) and get quite hot and keep

 

> patients who are severely yang-def very warm. What brand is it?

 

>

 

> Hugo

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Hugo Ramiro

 

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com <http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com>

 

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

> <http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel@fiveseasonswe llness.com

 

> <ariel% 40fiveseasonswel lness.com> >

 

>

 

> <Traditional _Chinese_ Medicine% 40. com>

 

> Monday, 22 December, 2008 13:06:44

 

> Re: infrared bulb heat lamb vs. rare-earth plate type

 

> heat lamp

 

>

 

> I have an infrared that I use regularly. I primarily use it to keep

 

> people warm during treatments. I like it and have no complaints.

 

>

 

> There is a TDP in my office as well. I have tried to use it a few

 

> times, but it took a very long time to heat up and never got very hot.

 

> I honestly don't know if I was doing something wrong or if there is a

 

> problem with the lamp. I could see using it on specific body parts for

 

> bi related disorders and whatnot, but it doesn't work well to keep

 

> people warm overall.

 

>

 

> jasonwcom wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks

 

> >

 

> >

 

>

 

>