Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hi everybody: Any comments on these two titles? The Medical I Ching: Oracle of the Healer WithinMiki Shima Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Claude Larre Thanks for any insight, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Brian Harasha <bharasha Chinese Medicine Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 8:14:47 Damp/phlegm and dry? As a beginner I have come to a question with a client. This person has been on prednisone for a long time and has definite heat, deficient heat, yin def. and is basically dried up (def jin ye, etc.), however he also has signs of dampness and phlegm, probably because the prednisone makes his internal environment so nice for a yeast type overgrowth. Tongue is red with thick coat and even large plaques of white, most scrapes off pretty easily. Pulse fast, slippery, empty. Where would one start to treat him? I have figured to really reduce heat and def. heat along with yin nourishing (I think the heat is the root, what he has been treated for in WM too and the prednisone adds more heat and stagnation and now he is yin def and dried up). However, I seem to feel the yin nourishing may add to the dampness and phlegm. Thanks for quick ideas to guide me along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Claude Larre and Elizabeth de la Roche's book: " Rooted in Spirit " is a meditation on Ling shu Chapter 8. It is one of my favorite books period. It's actually one of their least expensive, but most thoughtful books. K. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > Hi everybody: > Any comments on these two titles? > > The Medical I Ching: Oracle of the Healer WithinMiki Shima > > Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Claude Larre > > Thanks for any insight, > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > ________________________________ > Brian Harasha <bharasha <bharasha%40sbcglobal.net>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 8:14:47 > Damp/phlegm and dry? > > As a beginner I have come to a question with a client. This person has been > on prednisone for a long time and has definite heat, deficient heat, yin > def. and is basically dried up (def jin ye, etc.), however he also has > signs > of dampness and phlegm, probably because the prednisone makes his internal > environment so nice for a yeast type overgrowth. Tongue is red with thick > coat and even large plaques of white, most scrapes off pretty easily. Pulse > fast, slippery, empty. Where would one start to treat him? I have figured > to really reduce heat and def. heat along with yin nourishing (I think the > heat is the root, what he has been treated for in WM too and the prednisone > adds more heat and stagnation and now he is yin def and dried up). However, > I seem to feel the yin nourishing may add to the dampness and phlegm. > > Thanks for quick ideas to guide me along. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Are you talking about formulas or needles? What's the px chief complaint? Zhi mu comes to mind to support yin, clear heat, without adding to dampness. Use one of the huang's (lian, bai, huang) to clear d/h. Choose whatever formula you like. Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi everybody: > Any comments on these two titles? > > The Medical I Ching: Oracle of the Healer WithinMiki Shima > > > Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Claude Larre > > > > Thanks for any insight, > Hugo > > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > > > > > ________________________________ > Brian Harasha <bharasha > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 8:14:47 > Damp/phlegm and dry? > > > As a beginner I have come to a question with a client. This person has been > on prednisone for a long time and has definite heat, deficient heat, yin > def. and is basically dried up (def jin ye, etc.), however he also has signs > of dampness and phlegm, probably because the prednisone makes his internal > environment so nice for a yeast type overgrowth. Tongue is red with thick > coat and even large plaques of white, most scrapes off pretty easily. Pulse > fast, slippery, empty. Where would one start to treat him? I have figured > to really reduce heat and def. heat along with yin nourishing (I think the > heat is the root, what he has been treated for in WM too and the prednisone > adds more heat and stagnation and now he is yin def and dried up). However, > I seem to feel the yin nourishing may add to the dampness and phlegm. > > Thanks for quick ideas to guide me along. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hi, Hugo Ramiro wrote: > Hi everybody: > Any comments on these two titles? > > The Medical I Ching: Oracle of the Healer WithinMiki Shima It is an interesting book. The text for the hexagrams comes from Wilhelm & Caynes translation. Miki Shima does not explain how he comes to the signs and symptoms for each of the hexagrams or the individual lines. Having studying Yi Jing for many years and actually writing a thesis on uses of Yi Jing and traditional acupuncture my personal opinion; it is a nice to have book if one is collecting Yi Jing books but on the other hand not a must to have better understanding on Yi Jing or Chinese medicine or how two can work together. > > > Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Claude Larre > Very detailed commentary of Ling Shu 8. Not just a translation of the text, but a deeper look into understanding the pictographs of the Chinese text with references to the classics of Zhuang zi or Lao Zi. It helps the reader to understand the hidden background and provides insight regarding the possible intention of the author(s) of Ling Shu. Highly recommended. Togan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Thanks John, that's helpful. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ <johnkokko Chinese Medicine Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 19:10:59 Re: Question regarding books Claude Larre and Elizabeth de la Roche's book: " Rooted in Spirit " is a meditation on Ling shu Chapter 8. It is one of my favorite books period. It's actually one of their least expensive, but most thoughtful books. K. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: > Hi everybody: > Any comments on these two titles? > > The Medical I Ching: Oracle of the Healer WithinMiki Shima > > Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Claude Larre > > Thanks for any insight, > Hugo > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Brian Harasha <bharasha (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net <bharasha%40sbcglob al.net>> > <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine %40. com> > Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 8:14:47 > Damp/phlegm and dry? > > As a beginner I have come to a question with a client. This person has been > on prednisone for a long time and has definite heat, deficient heat, yin > def. and is basically dried up (def jin ye, etc.), however he also has > signs > of dampness and phlegm, probably because the prednisone makes his internal > environment so nice for a yeast type overgrowth. Tongue is red with thick > coat and even large plaques of white, most scrapes off pretty easily. Pulse > fast, slippery, empty. Where would one start to treat him? I have figured > to really reduce heat and def. heat along with yin nourishing (I think the > heat is the root, what he has been treated for in WM too and the prednisone > adds more heat and stagnation and now he is yin def and dried up). However, > I seem to feel the yin nourishing may add to the dampness and phlegm. > > Thanks for quick ideas to guide me along. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hi Togan: Thank you for your viewpoint. It's a shame that Shima does not provide sources. It sounds like I will be getting Rooted In Spirit, however, since both you and John have a high regard for the book. Is your thesis available? Is it in English? Thanks again, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Togan Muftuoglu <toganm Chinese Medicine Thursday, 11 December, 2008 3:41:44 Re: Question regarding books Hi, Hugo Ramiro wrote: > Hi everybody: > Any comments on these two titles? > > The Medical I Ching: Oracle of the Healer WithinMiki Shima It is an interesting book. The text for the hexagrams comes from Wilhelm & Caynes translation. Miki Shima does not explain how he comes to the signs and symptoms for each of the hexagrams or the individual lines. Having studying Yi Jing for many years and actually writing a thesis on uses of Yi Jing and traditional acupuncture my personal opinion; it is a nice to have book if one is collecting Yi Jing books but on the other hand not a must to have better understanding on Yi Jing or Chinese medicine or how two can work together. > > > Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Claude Larre > Very detailed commentary of Ling Shu 8. Not just a translation of the text, but a deeper look into understanding the pictographs of the Chinese text with references to the classics of Zhuang zi or Lao Zi. It helps the reader to understand the hidden background and provides insight regarding the possible intention of the author(s) of Ling Shu. Highly recommended. Togan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hugo Ramiro wrote: > Hi Togan: > > Thank you for your viewpoint. It's a shame that Shima does not provide sources. > It sounds like I will be getting Rooted In Spirit, however, since both you and John have a high regard for the book. Anything from Larre and Rochat is highly recommended you won't regret it > > Is your thesis available? Is it in English? > It is in English, but I haven't made it available yet, maybe I should ? Togan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hi Togan: " It is in English, but I haven't made it available yet, maybe I should ? " Yes, maybe you should. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Togan Muftuoglu <toganm Chinese Medicine Thursday, 11 December, 2008 13:13:38 Re: Question regarding books Hugo Ramiro wrote: > Hi Togan: > > Thank you for your viewpoint. It's a shame that Shima does not provide sources. > It sounds like I will be getting Rooted In Spirit, however, since both you and John have a high regard for the book. Anything from Larre and Rochat is highly recommended you won't regret it > > Is your thesis available? Is it in English? > It is in English, but I haven't made it available yet, maybe I should ? Togan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yes, Togan.... If you offer your thesis for public viewing, please contact me. Miki Shima's book is not enough to understand the I Jing in its essence. There are so many books out there... I personally like Master Hua Ching Ni's interpretation, as he is a medical practitioner himself, as well as a lineage holder. The first few chapters give a Daoist cosmological context to the lines. Also, Alfred Huang has an interpretation and book out on I Jing numerology, which is very useful to understand the I Jing from a purely elemental perspective (without all of the commentaries, which can either paint your mind clearer or make it more distracted) Other than David Twicken... at http://www.healingqi.com/i_ching_acupuncture.htm Who else is practicing I Jing acupuncture? K. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > Hi Togan: > > > " It is in English, but I haven't made it available yet, maybe I should ? " > > Yes, maybe you should. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > ________________________________ > Togan Muftuoglu <toganm <toganm%40dinamizm.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Thursday, 11 December, 2008 13:13:38 > Re: Question regarding books > > Hugo Ramiro wrote: > > Hi Togan: > > > > Thank you for your viewpoint. It's a shame that Shima does not provide > sources. > > It sounds like I will be getting Rooted In Spirit, however, since both > you and John have a high regard for the book. > > Anything from Larre and Rochat is highly recommended you won't regret it > > > > > Is your thesis available? Is it in English? > > > > It is in English, but I haven't made it available yet, maybe I should ? > > Togan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hi John wrote: > > There are so many books out there... > I personally like Master Hua Ching Ni's interpretation, > as he is a medical practitioner himself, as well as a lineage holder. > The first few chapters give a Daoist cosmological context to the lines. > > Also, Alfred Huang has an interpretation and book out on I Jing numerology, > which is very useful to understand the I Jing from a purely elemental > perspective > (without all of the commentaries, which can either paint your mind clearer > or make it more distracted) There are many books on Yi Jing, one of the best IMO is just a commentary on Qian and Kun (hex. 1 and 2) by Wei Tat " An Exposition of the I Ching " > > Other than David Twicken... at > http://www.healingqi.com/i_ching_acupuncture.htm Unfortunately he also does not give his sources in his little book > Who else is practicing I Jing acupuncture? Lorraine Wilcox has written a paper on Medical Plum Flower method which I have just uploaded to the files section. It is a good paper There is a very good article (in two parts) at http://tinyurl.com/5m7dfh by Heiner Fruehauf " The Science of Symbols. " Not all about Yi Jing but the concept of the tidal (sovereign) hexagrams is there and provides a basis to start a self study. Togan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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