8 Extra correction

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correction: germanium diode breakover threshold = .2 volts (.2v)

 

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote:

mystir <ykcul_ritsym

Re: 8 Extra

Chinese Medicine

Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 This is a great thread. We are giving each other a lot of personal

 

trade and technical info for use in treating people, and throwing a little light

in areas that I may have passed over too quickly, or take for granted, from a

basics level. Great, thank you, for the posts,(even warm stones, light(laser

incl), tuning forks and subliminal

 

music and intention, etc., are very real and appropriate avenues into these

channels, and deeper, physiology and individualism of patients.)

 

 And the real verification of clinical success will be improvement in the

person's condition, subjectively and objectively( tests), not just pulses

response, though if the pulse correction was to be truly obvious and consistent

upon recovery, it would be a great, great tool. I would like to hear even more

clinically, about the pulse experiences of others.We are a little in new

territory.

 

 Myself, just a begginner, visualize the 8 extra, primarily as wide deep

channels, more so than a collection of points along a thin well defined channel

line. So therapuetically and for myself it is usually an intentional

involvement, a qigong,  with where I believe I try to touch and feel them during

a 'normal' treatment. They feel kind of dynamic, like clouds or waves, or slow,

when I can feel

 

them.

 

 The master/couple points make sense experientially clinically, and also from

their crossing and overlapping connections to the rest of the system. Put

together with what we know of the changes in tissue electrical potentials,

attempting to balance out those potentials from a left/right, yin/yang etc.

point of view is even more logical. Hence the 'ion cords'. microcurrent, magnets

and other electro/electro- acup devises and ion patches.

 

 (eg http://www.iabc. readywebsites. com/page/ page/623959. htm)

 

 Ion cords are just a wire with a simple, passive, semiconductor junction

device, called a diode, which allows current flow in only one direction, from

the negative side(cathode, to the positive side(anode). The anode must be at a

higher positive electrical potential(voltage) , then the cathode.  And this is

what is put to the needle site of excess or trauma, trauma having a more

positive potential( and by association or

 

extension, an exces is supossedly more positive). So current or ion flow will

proceed until the difference potential between the two sites(master/ couple

points) becomes so low it will stop, because it cannot overcome the diode's

necessary threshold to conduct.

 

 The Manaka ion cords i measured, have a silicon diodes that have a conductive

breakover threshold of between .5 and.7volts. When I make cords, I use germanium

diodes that have a lower threshold voltage of .2 volts, so the two points will

continue to conduct to come to a closer or smaller difference.

 

  Let me say it another way. I made cords with a germanium diodes with a

breakover voltage of .2 volts. This means,  for  equalizing bioelectric

potentials, (more positive is injury=more

 

damage. going to less positive =more healing), equalizing the potentials is

important. It follows the logic of taking from the excess to raise the

deficient.

 

 Clincally, this is not limited to the 8 extra methodolgy, and now the question

comes up, why not just use a pure wire? The diode is there to 'steer' the flow,

or reduce the positive potential. The direction of the current or 'ion' flow

itself, and what exactly it is, is more theoretical. Convention says the

material of the flow is from negative to positive. I think in biological

systems, it's more complex.

 

 I have an interseting case coming up, where I plan to use the 8 extra methods.

If ok, I'd like to share this with the group, for feedback and advice. Thanks so

much.

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, flyingstarsfengshui <fiveshen (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

flyingstarsfengshui <fiveshen (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

 

Re: 8 Extra

 

 

 

Friday, December 5, 2008, 3:12 PM

 

 

 

Hi John:

 

 

 

Some of your questions require alot of time, really learning the

 

 

 

channel system as a whole. I will comment on a few of them now.

 

 

 

> 1. LV 3 and SP 10... you said they're unlisted points on extra

 

 

 

channels..

 

 

 

> which ones?... which school?

 

 

 

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I suggest you study the pathway flow first, not points, this is the

 

 

 

greatest mistake in the educational process in my view.

 

 

 

And one should study the Chong first, and it has five branches, it

 

 

 

creates all the other channels, it critical to see this, tracing the

 

 

 

chong from Qi Chong/St 30 down the legs you can see it passes Sp 10,

 

 

 

Liv3 and Sp 1, all so blood related, Ching sea of Blood.

 

 

 

Channels originate with pathways, not points. Points are arbitrarily

 

 

 

chosen.

 

 

 

> 2. Going back to Jason B.'s questions... just because you needle

 

 

 

all of > these points that compose of an extraordinary channel,

 

 

 

> how do you really know that you're accessing an extraordinary

 

 

 

channel and > not just needling points on a few different primary

 

 

 

channels? What kind of > feedback mechanism are you using?

 

 

 

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The only thing that matters is the clinical result. EV should be used

 

 

 

for specific conditions, their condition determines whether one should

 

 

 

use them, so when using them one knows the effectiveness based on the

 

 

 

feedback of your patients and their condition, which is the only real

 

 

 

test. Primary channels treat Primary Channels and organ conditions,

 

 

 

Luo Channels treat Luo conditions, Sinew, Divergent and EV channels

 

 

 

treat their corresponding conditions.

 

 

 

3. In Nei gong, you use the Yi to be attentive to the channel, not

 

 

 

specific > points.... I'm curious about the beginning and ending of

 

 

 

the extra > channels. The Ren and Du compose of the microcosmic

 

 

 

orbit, which seems > logical... originating in the lower abdomen and

 

 

 

exiting out of Ren 1. The > Chong originates in the same area and

 

 

 

exits out of either Ren 1 or ST 30 and > is very similar to the

 

 

 

pathway of the Aorta following up the KD channel.

 

 

 

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I suggest you llok at Chong again, it creates Ren, Du, Dai and all,

 

 

 

they are not separate.

 

 

 

In my view Jacobs book is great, but assumes you know about these

 

 

 

channels systems and summarizes them, based on Jeffrey Yuen's

 

 

 

teachings, which you can not slice and dice out, really need to learn

 

 

 

them well, then those summary points make sense. There are lots of

 

 

 

needling methods, but the key is understanding the theory to guide

 

 

 

your decisions. Its a deep study of our medicine. IMHO the info on

 

 

 

secondary vessels in the common texts it pitiful, its really a shame

 

 

 

this has occurred.

 

 

 

You other questions would take to long to respond.

 

 

 

regards,

 

 

 

david

 

 

 

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