How to evaluate changes in 8 extras and everything else

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Jason has brought up a great question...

How do you evaluate the changes we make during acupuncture?

 

I personally check the cun pulse at least 5 times during every treatment.

At least check the hara or elsewhere on the body

including reflex areas and zones (Kiiko/ Nagano style) before and after each

needle is inserted...

Changes happen immediately if the correct point* location *and *direction*and

*depth* is chosen (and correct *order *of needling as well)

It is a very complex system and I am an eager beginner student.

 

But I have not learned the extraordinary vessel pulses yet. Can someone on

the list serve chime in on this?

 

Also, I am learning the hara configurations of the extraordinary vessels on

the abdomen...

You can see these at http://jabinet.net/index2.html

Robert Hayden's Japanese acupuncture site

and

http://www.yinyanghouse.com/theory/japanese/extraordinary_vessel_treatment_proto\

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(previous post)

 

The insertion depth and location is completely dependent on the constitution

and condition of the patient

at that moment in space/time. It can change later, so I don't think we can

give a definitive answer that would fit every person in every situation.

If it changes the bio-feedback reflex areas (pulse, wei Qi, hara etc...

then we've got it.)

 

Also, the Eight extraordinary vessel treatments are supposedly more subtle

and work slower, so it may take some time before patients see big changes..

or maybe not...

If they work on Mental/Emotional issues as J.Yuen states, then we should be

able to see changes in our patients attitudes and actions in living,

usually with shifts in awareness and breaking through conflicts and

struggling with these changes.

This is hard to define and objectively quantify as far as feedback if we're

really accessing the extraordinary vessels.

 

There are others on the group list who have more experience working with

this, including Toyohari and Osteopathic technique practitioners.

Please chime in.

 

K.

 

 

 

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