Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Hi all ! Is there anyone who experiences acupuncture treatment protoccols for height increase of persons above 20 years old ? I will appreciate any comments in this respect. Mehdi Hashemi MD, AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 That's interesting... I know that if you let the trapezius muscles relax, you can get a couple centimeters... Leon Hammer wrote an article where he needles GB 20 on the short (tight) leg side for 10 minutes. It works... other than that... you got to be eating a lot of bone broth and bovine growth hormone:) Have you seen results? K. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:30 AM, gitavarz <gitavarz wrote: > Hi all ! > > Is there anyone who experiences acupuncture treatment protoccols for > height increase of persons above 20 years old ? > I will appreciate any comments in this respect. > > Mehdi Hashemi MD, AP > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Thought I might share a little factoid about growing taller -- I was involved with Yoga Journal for a " 6-month yoga makeover " project in 2006. They had 3 subjects for the story, and I was the token " athlete " who was interested in yoga for sports performance. So Yoga Journal paid for me to get a battery of sports performance testing done at a local university's Exercise Physiology lab in order to note before & after changes. During the 6 months, the " makeover " involved the following weekly routine -- 1x private lesson, 1-2x group classes, and 2x 25minute home practice customized Rx by the private instructor. There were a lot of interesting physiological changes from the sports lab. But the one of interest here is that I grew 1.6cm! And I thought the 0.5 cm I got in 2005 from the 10series rolfing was pretty good. ~edith from San Francisco -- Edith Chan, L.Ac. Doctoral Fellow Ph: 415.298.5324 www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 In my experience and observation, the most reliable results for growth as an adult involves good nutrition, good sleep, steady disciplined *Qi Gong* and proper herbal supplementation over several years. Put an eye on the " five developmental delays " to get an idea of how to treat. But it takes time if the person is going to gain actual bone length. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ <johnkokko Chinese Medicine Tuesday, 2 December, 2008 20:59:33 Re: increase of height That's interesting. ... I know that if you let the trapezius muscles relax, you can get a couple centimeters. .. Leon Hammer wrote an article where he needles GB 20 on the short (tight) leg side for 10 minutes. It works... other than that... you got to be eating a lot of bone broth and bovine growth hormone:) Have you seen results? K. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:30 AM, gitavarz <gitavarz > wrote: > Hi all ! > > Is there anyone who experiences acupuncture treatment protoccols for > height increase of persons above 20 years old ? > I will appreciate any comments in this respect. > > Mehdi Hashemi MD, AP > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 1) Hugo – to what do you refer by " the " five developmental delays " '? 2) Along the lines of reports by John K and Edith Chan, I suspect a fruitful direction to explore is maximization of potential height (body length) of what's already given. In particular attention to a) posture, b) bio-dynamics (movement), and c) mental/spiritual attitude and poise that can motivate and sustain a) and b). Just trying to induce growth of bone length after the natural growth period seems iffy, and other, purely physical tricks, hormones, etc., could even be harmful. On the other hand, countering the effects of stressful living (hunching over under it all) or of aging coupled with lack of or poorly informed exercise would probably not only optimize body length (in German that's a usage for " height " ), but also associate with other positive cultivational habits of substantial benefit. By (a) posture, I refer, for instance, to practices in Chinese, i.e. Daoist among other traditions, and Indian, i.e. Buddhist, yogas, et al. Specifically where joints, muscles etc. are toned to sit/stand or move with maximum ease and efficiency. For instance, the oft-cited dictum that the head feels pulled up as if by a golden thread from baihui / Du-20 towards the heavens (tian). My understanding of this is that the slight forward tilt of this posture (Du-20 being not at the apex of the cranium --- that's Du-21, straight up from the apex of the ears --- but at the fontanel slightly posterior --- on the line from the ear lobe center through the apex) influences the secondary spinal curves (neck and lumbar, associated with Du-14 and Du-4); counters the tendency at these locations to over-curve, i.e. slouch. By b) bio-dynamics I think of lower-dantien rooted movement in general, together with constant groundedness through Ki-1. Scientific bio-dynamics validates martial arts and moving meditation traditions in associating this with maximal whole-body extensibility and flexibility. Another, s/w more esoteric aspect lies in the capability, available in various practices, of generating and sustaining the energy to enter and hold such postures. For instance, the 'piti' and 'sukkha' factors of the classical (Buddhist and more generally Brahman) states of deep absorption (Jhanas) engender very strong and self-sustaining energies, permeating the whole body and resulting in virtually perfect alignment in all experiential dimensions (body, mind,...). (This is distinct, I believe, from 'Kundalini' kinds of energetic experience, being inherently self-balancing, where Kundalini, at least as s/t practiced, perhaps incorrectly, can lead to hormonal distortion (gonadal, adrenal, thyroid, etc.), excessive heat rising and loss of grounding. At least I've seen this often in patients who claim to practice Kundalini.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Yes. There are Tendon stretching exercises that give elasticity and tensile strength to the body.... Qi gong, Tai Ji, some forms of Yoga. When I got rolfed, right after 1 painful session... I can swear that I grew an inch, but was not measured. The Alexander technique helps with postural elongation also. A friend got major LV yang rising from doing the " breath of fire " kundalini exercise for years. It gave her early menopause symptoms... hot flashes, irritability, night sweats. If she had a yang def. type constitution, it might have worked better. Bikram yoga, generally, felt like this when I tried it out for six months. I'm more on the yin def. side and felt like I would pass out even if I sat by the door. More yang def. people might get a lot out of it. K. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:54 AM, < wrote: > 1) Hugo – to what do you refer by " the " five developmental delays " '? > > 2) Along the lines of reports by John K and Edith Chan, I suspect a > fruitful direction to explore is maximization of potential height (body > length) of what's already given. In particular attention to a) posture, > b) bio-dynamics (movement), and c) mental/spiritual attitude and poise > that can motivate and sustain a) and b). > > Just trying to induce growth of bone length after the natural growth > period seems iffy, and other, purely physical tricks, hormones, etc., > could even be harmful. > > On the other hand, countering the effects of stressful living (hunching > over under it all) or of aging coupled with lack of or poorly informed > exercise would probably not only optimize body length (in German that's > a usage for " height " ), but also associate with other positive > cultivational habits of substantial benefit. > > By (a) posture, I refer, for instance, to practices in Chinese, i.e. > Daoist among other traditions, and Indian, i.e. Buddhist, yogas, et al. > Specifically where joints, muscles etc. are toned to sit/stand or move > with maximum ease and efficiency. > > For instance, the oft-cited dictum that the head feels pulled up as if > by a golden thread from baihui / Du-20 towards the heavens (tian). My > understanding of this is that the slight forward tilt of this posture > (Du-20 being not at the apex of the cranium --- that's Du-21, straight > up from the apex of the ears --- but at the fontanel slightly posterior > --- on the line from the ear lobe center through the apex) influences > the secondary spinal curves (neck and lumbar, associated with Du-14 and > Du-4); counters the tendency at these locations to over-curve, i.e. slouch. > > By b) bio-dynamics I think of lower-dantien rooted movement in general, > together with constant groundedness through Ki-1. Scientific > bio-dynamics validates martial arts and moving meditation traditions in > associating this with maximal whole-body extensibility and flexibility. > > Another, s/w more esoteric aspect lies in the capability, available in > various practices, of generating and sustaining the energy to enter and > hold such postures. For instance, the 'piti' and 'sukkha' factors of the > classical (Buddhist and more generally Brahman) states of deep > absorption (Jhanas) engender very strong and self-sustaining energies, > permeating the whole body and resulting in virtually perfect alignment > in all experiential dimensions (body, mind,...). > > (This is distinct, I believe, from 'Kundalini' kinds of energetic > experience, being inherently self-balancing, where Kundalini, at least > as s/t practiced, perhaps incorrectly, can lead to hormonal distortion > (gonadal, adrenal, thyroid, etc.), excessive heat rising and loss of > grounding. At least I've seen this often in patients who claim to > practice Kundalini.) > > > > --- > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and > acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hi Chris: 1. The " five delays " : delayed (standing/walking/teeth/speech/late or incomplete fontanel closure) -> slow physical development in the adult -> pigeon chest, turtle back, wasting syndrome, inability to stand upright 2. Inducing bone growth - the growth period extends until mid adulthood, and the idea involves taking advantage of one's potential rather than trying to go beyond it. As far as my personal experience, I can only speak for photographs and stories within my lineage of people who had " stopped growing " but upon taking up qi gong and proper (CM) nutrition and herbal therapy, began to grow again (albeit slowly) and achieved significant gains. Certainly part of it is simple posture, another is the filling out of spinal discs, and yes, another is actual growth. Growth _does not_ stop at puberty. The fastest growth stops at puberty. Growth stops around 40 - 50, when we stabilise, and then begin shrinking. All of this is malleable to the dedicated person. But how dedicated are we? I'm not that dedicated. Take care, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ < Chinese Medicine Tuesday, 9 December, 2008 4:54:06 Re: increase of height 1) Hugo – to what do you refer by " the " five developmental delays " '? 2) Along the lines of reports by John K and Edith Chan, I suspect a fruitful direction to explore is maximization of potential height (body length) of what's already given. In particular attention to a) posture, b) bio-dynamics (movement), and c) mental/spiritual attitude and poise that can motivate and sustain a) and b). Just trying to induce growth of bone length after the natural growth period seems iffy, and other, purely physical tricks, hormones, etc., could even be harmful. On the other hand, countering the effects of stressful living (hunching over under it all) or of aging coupled with lack of or poorly informed exercise would probably not only optimize body length (in German that's a usage for " height " ), but also associate with other positive cultivational habits of substantial benefit. By (a) posture, I refer, for instance, to practices in Chinese, i.e. Daoist among other traditions, and Indian, i.e. Buddhist, yogas, et al. Specifically where joints, muscles etc. are toned to sit/stand or move with maximum ease and efficiency. For instance, the oft-cited dictum that the head feels pulled up as if by a golden thread from baihui / Du-20 towards the heavens (tian). My understanding of this is that the slight forward tilt of this posture (Du-20 being not at the apex of the cranium --- that's Du-21, straight up from the apex of the ears --- but at the fontanel slightly posterior --- on the line from the ear lobe center through the apex) influences the secondary spinal curves (neck and lumbar, associated with Du-14 and Du-4); counters the tendency at these locations to over-curve, i.e. slouch. By b) bio-dynamics I think of lower-dantien rooted movement in general, together with constant groundedness through Ki-1. Scientific bio-dynamics validates martial arts and moving meditation traditions in associating this with maximal whole-body extensibility and flexibility. Another, s/w more esoteric aspect lies in the capability, available in various practices, of generating and sustaining the energy to enter and hold such postures. For instance, the 'piti' and 'sukkha' factors of the classical (Buddhist and more generally Brahman) states of deep absorption (Jhanas) engender very strong and self-sustaining energies, permeating the whole body and resulting in virtually perfect alignment in all experiential dimensions (body, mind,...). (This is distinct, I believe, from 'Kundalini' kinds of energetic experience, being inherently self-balancing, where Kundalini, at least as s/t practiced, perhaps incorrectly, can lead to hormonal distortion (gonadal, adrenal, thyroid, etc.), excessive heat rising and loss of grounding. At least I've seen this often in patients who claim to practice Kundalini.) --- Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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