Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 While doing some internet search I found at acuherbology.com following: " Why you should consider us: Training, credentials and experience are important when considering health care and you deserve the highest level of training and experience available. Today there are many " integrated " medical practices offering both allopathic and alternative medicine, which profess to offer Acupuncture. This is a wonderful development which illustrates the growing popularity and success of Oriental Medicine. However, many of these integrated clinics do so without the true ability to offer the full compliment of what Traditional Chinese Medicine has to offer, and unfortunately they generally lack sufficient training in Oriental Medicine, their specialty is western Medicine; they are educated and trained to be MD's, not Oriental Medicine doctors. Training and certification are the keys to exceptional Oriental medical care. Certification in Oriental Medicine is monitored by the National Certification Commission on Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM), there is no substitute organization. Certification in Medical Acupuncture is a quick way for MD's to practice Acupuncture without proper Oriental Medicine schooling or training. At a minimum, your providers should be board certified by the NCCAOM in Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Oriental Medicine. Preferably they should be certified in Oriental Medicine (covers Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Biomedical training) or have Doctorates in Oriental Medicine from accredited schools. Training and certification are the only measures that you are seeing a skilled medical provider. Seeing an acupuncturist who is not board certified in Oriental Medicine is a waste of your resources. Those committed to the profession will have the highest training and certification available. Check carefully, before you choose your provider. This is not about which modality (western or eastern, biomedical or alternative) offers the best care, it is about education, training, experience, and certification in Oriental medicine. Be sure to check provider credentials, there are no substitutes. You should know that Acupuncture is just one element of the practice of TCM, it also includes Chinese Herbal Medicine, Chinese nutritional counseling, moxibustion, Tui Na, Qigong therapies, Tai Chi, and Feng Shui. Mastery of Oriental medicine takes a lifetime of training, practice and dedication. You should make sure that your health care provider has the highest level of training, certification and experience that is available. Did you know that in Virginia, due to state legislative pressure, MDs, Chiropractor's, and DOs can practice Acupuncture with only 200 hours of training in it. In states such as California, New Mexico, and Oregon you cannot practice Acupuncture unless you have the education, training and Board certification to do so. Currently, the entry level requirement to practice Acupuncture alone is a four year undergraduate degree plus 3200 hours (9-11 semesters, 3-4 years) of training in an accredited Oriental Medicine School, and the successful completion of Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal, and Oriental Medicine Board examinations administered by the NCCAOM. We have the highest level of credentials and training that are available in Oriental medicine today. Please refer to " about us " for more information on our credentials. " What a good idea to add to our websites similar text! Tatiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Tatiana, before you paste that into your website, there are some misleading mis-information pieces in that text: 1. " Certification in Oriental Medicine is monitored by the National Certification Commission on Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM), there is no substitute organization. " - Actually, there is... the California Acupuncture Board .... (even though it's not a certification, but a licensure, one can practice without the NCCAOM certification, in the state of CA; actually almost half of the acupuncturists in the country live in CA and in CA you can only practice with the CA licensure, not with the NCCA certification) 2. " At a minimum, your providers should be board certified by the NCCAOM in Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Oriental Medicine. Preferably they should be certified in Oriental Medicine (covers Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Biomedical training) " - This is in reference to MDs practice " medi-puncture " ... we have to give MDs credit that they will pass the Biomedical section of the NCCA right?... why not just say... Acupuncture and Chinese Herbal Medicine? It's kind of illogical. 3. " In states such as California, New Mexico, and Oregon you cannot practice Acupuncture unless you have the education, training and Board certification to do so. " - Actually, MDs can practice in CA without acupuncture training or Board certification. DCs can't in CA. I'm pretty sure that they can practice in New Mexico and Oregon as well without NCCA certification. MDs can't practice in Hawaii, unless they have the NCCA certification. 4. " Currently, the entry level requirement to practice Acupuncture alone is a four year undergraduate degree plus 3200 hours (9-11 semesters, 3-4 years) of training in an accredited Oriental Medicine School " - This is the biggest mistake. Most schools except students with 2 years of undergraduate hours, plus anywhere from 1800 - 3400 hours in Chinese medicine. Even in CA, which has the highest hour requirement to sit for the licensing exam, the requirement is 3000 hours. Also, you can sit for the NCCA exam by having attended a candidate school, not a fully accredited one. I think we have to be honest with ourselves and create a higher standard for future practitioners across the board. Advertising misleading information only piles on the confusion of what our profession stands on. There's a survey on this group list about entry level doctorate programs. DCs have a minimum 4200 hours of training. MDs much more than that. The entry level doctorate should include much more clinical practice than the doctoral programs set in place now on the West coast. There needs to be a " residency " type feel to that training. Another reason that an entry level doctorate would be better than going through the Masters and then a separate doctoral program, is that an entry level doctoral program would be able to make the conveyance of the didactic material more efficient (skimming off hundreds of hours in the classroom by eliminating the need to repeat topic material). Foremost, my question beyond if MDs can practice acupuncture without NCCA certification, is can we expand our scope of practice with a doctoral title? Fighting an establishment (allopathic) that has 40 times more practitioners and untold more resources is not a smart move. If we're worried about losing patients to MDs and chiropractors and possibly PTs and NDs, we should raise our standards, so that at least on paper, we can show that we're not just technicians and that acupuncture is not so easy to be proficient in. Then in five years time, we may be able to truly write on our websites that patients should go to a Doctor of Oriental Medicine, not a " quackupuncturist " . K. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:12 PM, tvgaid <tvgaid wrote: > While doing some internet search I found at acuherbology.com > following: > > " Why you should consider us: > Training, credentials and experience are important when considering > health care and you deserve the highest level of training and > experience available. Today there are many " integrated " medical > practices offering both allopathic and alternative medicine, which > profess to offer Acupuncture. This is a wonderful development which > illustrates the growing popularity and success of Oriental Medicine. > However, many of these integrated clinics do so without the true > ability to offer the full compliment of what Traditional Chinese > Medicine has to offer, and unfortunately they generally lack > sufficient training in Oriental Medicine, their specialty is western > Medicine; they are educated and trained to be MD's, not Oriental > Medicine doctors. > > Training and certification are the keys to exceptional Oriental > medical care. Certification in Oriental Medicine is monitored by > the National Certification Commission on Acupuncture and Oriental > Medicine (NCCAOM), there is no substitute organization. > Certification in Medical Acupuncture is a quick way for MD's to > practice Acupuncture without proper Oriental Medicine schooling or > training. At a minimum, your providers should be board certified by > the NCCAOM in Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Oriental > Medicine. Preferably they should be certified in Oriental Medicine > (covers Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Biomedical > training) or have Doctorates in Oriental Medicine from accredited > schools. Training and certification are the only measures that you > are seeing a skilled medical provider. Seeing an acupuncturist who > is not board certified in Oriental Medicine is a waste of your > resources. Those committed to the profession will have the highest > training and certification available. Check carefully, before you > choose your provider. > This is not about which modality (western or eastern, biomedical or > alternative) offers the best care, it is about education, training, > experience, and certification in Oriental medicine. Be sure to > check provider credentials, there are no substitutes. > You should know that Acupuncture is just one element of the practice > of TCM, it also includes Chinese Herbal Medicine, Chinese > nutritional counseling, moxibustion, Tui Na, Qigong therapies, Tai > Chi, and Feng Shui. Mastery of Oriental medicine takes a lifetime > of training, practice and dedication. You should make sure that > your health care provider has the highest level of training, > certification and experience that is available. > > Did you know that in Virginia, due to state legislative pressure, > MDs, Chiropractor's, and DOs can practice Acupuncture with only 200 > hours of training in it. In states such as California, New Mexico, > and Oregon you cannot practice Acupuncture unless you have the > education, training and Board certification to do so. Currently, > the entry level requirement to practice Acupuncture alone is a four > year undergraduate degree plus 3200 hours (9-11 semesters, 3-4 > years) of training in an accredited Oriental Medicine School, and > the successful completion of Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal, and > Oriental Medicine Board examinations administered by the NCCAOM. We > have the highest level of credentials and training that are > available in Oriental medicine today. Please refer to " about us " > for more information on our credentials. " > > What a good idea to add to our websites similar text! > > Tatiana > > > -- aka Mu bong Lim Father of Bhakti The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Hi John, let me hairsplit on one issue, since I agree with much of the rest of your post: Original post: Medicine. Preferably they should be certified in Oriental Medicine (covers Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Biomedical training) " John's reply: - This is in reference to MDs practice " medi-puncture " ... we have to give MDs credit that they will pass the Biomedical section of the NCCA right?... If the MD believes that acupuncture is entirely mediated through the nervous system, then in my eyes they would fail the biomedical requirements. I guess I am just making a point regarding biomedicine - we, as CM practitioners, hold a legitimate stake in human physiology. Biomedicine specialists have not got it all right, even in their intepretation of their own data. Perspective and context change the interpretation of information, and in many cases, change the information itself: biomedicine in the context of CM has a particular flavour, perspective and value that is distinct from an MDs biomedicine - and we cannot expect an MD to automatically pass this portion. Of course, an open-minded MD can adjust quickly and pass it easily. I just wanted to make a point regarding the perceived immutability of biomedical principles. Doesn't happen! Currently, in the english literature we are working on parity and collaboration - but this is only the beginning. We have few resources available to us that bring biomedicine to life from the p.o.v. of CM. Thanks, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Hugo, I agree with you, but strictly speaking, the Biomedicine portion of the NCCA exam does not require one to know much about TCM principles. It tests you on basic western medical understanding, not classical yin/yang, five phasic integration with biomedicine. K. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > Hi John, let me hairsplit on one issue, since I agree with much of the > rest of your post: > > Original post: > > Medicine. Preferably they should be certified in Oriental Medicine > (covers Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, and Biomedical > training) " > > John's reply: > - This is in reference to MDs practice " medi-puncture " ... > we have to give MDs credit that they will pass the Biomedical section of > the > NCCA right?... > > If the MD believes that acupuncture is entirely mediated through the > nervous system, then in my eyes they would fail the biomedical requirements. > I guess I am just making a point regarding biomedicine - we, as CM > practitioners, hold a legitimate stake in human physiology. Biomedicine > specialists have not got it all right, even in their intepretation of their > own data. > Perspective and context change the interpretation of information, and in > many cases, change the information itself: biomedicine in the context of CM > has a particular flavour, perspective and value that is distinct from an MDs > biomedicine - and we cannot expect an MD to automatically pass this portion. > Of course, an open-minded MD can adjust quickly and pass it easily. > I just wanted to make a point regarding the perceived immutability of > biomedical principles. Doesn't happen! > > Currently, in the english literature we are working on parity and > collaboration - but this is only the beginning. We have few resources > available to us that bring biomedicine to life from the p.o.v. of CM. > > Thanks, > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Hi John: " Hugo, I agree with you, but strictly speaking, the Biomedicine portion of the NCCA exam does not require one to know much about TCM principles. " No no, you're right. Was just on my soapbox again, that's all. ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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