Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 this is from fox news. they give an interesting definition of 'western' acupuncture, to be distiguished from 'chinese' acupuncture. Chinese Medicine Health Article Email <http://health.myfoxny.com/Email.aspx> Bookmark<http://health.myfoxny.com/textitem.aspx?id=1429#> Feedback <http://health.myfoxny.com/Feedback.aspx> Acupuncture: what is it? Acupuncture is an essential component of traditional Chinese medicine and has been practiced in the Orient for over 2000 years. Although acupuncture was introduced to Europe in the 14th century, it has only recently caught the attention of North American health professionals. Acupuncture involves inserting very thin needles into acupuncture points. These points are arranged along vertical lines in the body called meridians. One or many acupuncture points may be used during a treatment. The choice of points depends on the condition being treated. The two most commonly used acupuncture techniques are *traditional Chinese acupuncture* and *anatomical acupuncture*, also known as * " Western " acupuncture*. Traditional Chinese acupuncture According to Chinese philosophy, disease is a sign that the body's equilibrium (the *yin* and the *yang*) is not in balance. Acupuncture points are chosen to rebalance the yin and yang. Meridians are thought to be pathways for vital energy flow throughout the body. The acupuncture points on the meridians access the meridians. Energy flowing through the meridians is known as *chi*. An excess or deficiency of chi is thought to result in pain and disease. Thus, blockage of chi's circulation can cause pain and illness. Insertion of needles at the acupuncture points frees the blockage and promotes normal flow of chi. The acupuncturist may heat the needles using moxa. This is said to increase energy in the body. The needle may be stimulated by hand or with a small electrical current. Western acupuncture In Western acupuncture, selection of acupuncture points is based on a Western type of diagnosis. Since it has become apparent that all the acupuncture points are located close to important nerves, Western acupuncture is used primarily to treat painful conditions. To do this, acupuncture points are selected that are close to the nerves supplying the painful area. It is thought that stimulating the nerves this way enables the body to produce its own painkillers, called* endorphins*. Most Western-trained physicians usually incorporate both traditional Chinese acupuncture and Western techniques in their treatments. Author: Lynda Thorson, RN, and Zenona Hrabar, MD Reviewer: MediResource Clinical Team Sources Last updated: May 29, 2007 -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com and from the following suppliers: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 That's written by a RN and MD. That is a very generalized assumption about what everyone practicing in the " west " Paul Uschuld came to Berkeley last week and spoke about the difficulties in integrating Traditional/Classical Chinese medicine with Western Allopathic medicine. Actually in China, they do more of the Biomedical indication = TCM protocol, while in America, we go more by the holistic TCM type diagnosis first. (so the article is backwards for the most part) Mainly, only MDs do diagnosis from Biomedical indication/disease to acupuncture protocol and since most of the acupuncture practitioners in Europe are MDs, that would be true for Europe as well. Of course, who trusts Fox news anyways? K. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:51 PM, wrote: > this is from fox news. they give an interesting definition of 'western' > acupuncture, to be distiguished from 'chinese' acupuncture. > > Chinese Medicine > > Health Article > Email <http://health.myfoxny.com/Email.aspx> > Bookmark<http://health.myfoxny.com/textitem.aspx?id=1429#> > Feedback <http://health.myfoxny.com/Feedback.aspx> > Acupuncture: what is it? > > Acupuncture is an essential component of traditional Chinese medicine and > has been practiced in the Orient for over 2000 years. Although acupuncture > was introduced to Europe in the 14th century, it has only recently caught > the attention of North American health professionals. > > Acupuncture involves inserting very thin needles into acupuncture points. > These points are arranged along vertical lines in the body called > meridians. > One or many acupuncture points may be used during a treatment. The choice > of > points depends on the condition being treated. > > The two most commonly used acupuncture techniques are *traditional Chinese > acupuncture* and *anatomical acupuncture*, also known as * " Western " > acupuncture*. > Traditional Chinese acupuncture > > According to Chinese philosophy, disease is a sign that the body's > equilibrium (the *yin* and the *yang*) is not in balance. Acupuncture > points > are chosen to rebalance the yin and yang. > > Meridians are thought to be pathways for vital energy flow throughout the > body. The acupuncture points on the meridians access the meridians. Energy > flowing through the meridians is known as *chi*. > > An excess or deficiency of chi is thought to result in pain and disease. > Thus, blockage of chi's circulation can cause pain and illness. Insertion > of > needles at the acupuncture points frees the blockage and promotes normal > flow of chi. > > The acupuncturist may heat the needles using moxa. This is said to increase > energy in the body. The needle may be stimulated by hand or with a small > electrical current. > Western acupuncture > > In Western acupuncture, selection of acupuncture points is based on a > Western type of diagnosis. > > Since it has become apparent that all the acupuncture points are located > close to important nerves, Western acupuncture is used primarily to treat > painful conditions. To do this, acupuncture points are selected that are > close to the nerves supplying the painful area. It is thought that > stimulating the nerves this way enables the body to produce its own > painkillers, called* endorphins*. > > Most Western-trained physicians usually incorporate both traditional > Chinese > acupuncture and Western techniques in their treatments. > Author: Lynda Thorson, RN, and Zenona Hrabar, MD > Reviewer: MediResource Clinical Team > Sources > Last updated: May 29, 2007 > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Flying Dragon Liniment: > Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > and from the following suppliers: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Of course, who trusts Fox news anyways? good point! kath On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:35 PM, <johnkokko wrote: > That's written by a RN and MD. > That is a very generalized assumption about what everyone practicing in the > " west " > > Paul Uschuld came to Berkeley last week and spoke about the difficulties in > integrating > Traditional/Classical Chinese medicine with Western Allopathic medicine. > > Actually in China, they do more of the Biomedical indication = TCM > protocol, > while in America, > we go more by the holistic TCM type diagnosis first. (so the article is > backwards for the most part) > > Mainly, only MDs do diagnosis from Biomedical indication/disease to > acupuncture protocol > and since most of the acupuncture practitioners in Europe are MDs, that > would be true for Europe as well. > > Of course, who trusts Fox news anyways? > > K. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:51 PM, > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > this is from fox news. they give an interesting definition of 'western' > > acupuncture, to be distiguished from 'chinese' acupuncture. > > > > Chinese Medicine > > > > Health Article > > Email <http://health.myfoxny.com/Email.aspx> > > Bookmark<http://health.myfoxny.com/textitem.aspx?id=1429#> > > Feedback <http://health.myfoxny.com/Feedback.aspx> > > Acupuncture: what is it? > > > > Acupuncture is an essential component of traditional Chinese medicine and > > has been practiced in the Orient for over 2000 years. Although > acupuncture > > was introduced to Europe in the 14th century, it has only recently caught > > the attention of North American health professionals. > > > > Acupuncture involves inserting very thin needles into acupuncture points. > > These points are arranged along vertical lines in the body called > > meridians. > > One or many acupuncture points may be used during a treatment. The choice > > of > > points depends on the condition being treated. > > > > The two most commonly used acupuncture techniques are *traditional > Chinese > > acupuncture* and *anatomical acupuncture*, also known as * " Western " > > acupuncture*. > > Traditional Chinese acupuncture > > > > According to Chinese philosophy, disease is a sign that the body's > > equilibrium (the *yin* and the *yang*) is not in balance. Acupuncture > > points > > are chosen to rebalance the yin and yang. > > > > Meridians are thought to be pathways for vital energy flow throughout the > > body. The acupuncture points on the meridians access the meridians. > Energy > > flowing through the meridians is known as *chi*. > > > > An excess or deficiency of chi is thought to result in pain and disease. > > Thus, blockage of chi's circulation can cause pain and illness. Insertion > > of > > needles at the acupuncture points frees the blockage and promotes normal > > flow of chi. > > > > The acupuncturist may heat the needles using moxa. This is said to > increase > > energy in the body. The needle may be stimulated by hand or with a small > > electrical current. > > Western acupuncture > > > > In Western acupuncture, selection of acupuncture points is based on a > > Western type of diagnosis. > > > > Since it has become apparent that all the acupuncture points are located > > close to important nerves, Western acupuncture is used primarily to treat > > painful conditions. To do this, acupuncture points are selected that are > > close to the nerves supplying the painful area. It is thought that > > stimulating the nerves this way enables the body to produce its own > > painkillers, called* endorphins*. > > > > Most Western-trained physicians usually incorporate both traditional > > Chinese > > acupuncture and Western techniques in their treatments. > > Author: Lynda Thorson, RN, and Zenona Hrabar, MD > > Reviewer: MediResource Clinical Team > > Sources > > Last updated: May 29, 2007 > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: > > Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > > > and from the following suppliers: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartle\ tt%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 The question is who trusts ANY news ?? But Fox New's is " Fair and Balanced " so this is your chance to come up with your alternate view and get more airtime for the profession?? God Bless.............Betty --- On Thu, 11/20/08, wrote: Re: fox news on 'western' acupuncture Chinese Medicine Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:25 PM Of course, who trusts Fox news anyways? good point! kath On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:35 PM, <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > That's written by a RN and MD. > That is a very generalized assumption about what everyone practicing in the > " west " > > Paul Uschuld came to Berkeley last week and spoke about the difficulties in > integrating > Traditional/ Classical Chinese medicine with Western Allopathic medicine. > > Actually in China, they do more of the Biomedical indication = TCM > protocol, > while in America, > we go more by the holistic TCM type diagnosis first. (so the article is > backwards for the most part) > > Mainly, only MDs do diagnosis from Biomedical indication/disease to > acupuncture protocol > and since most of the acupuncture practitioners in Europe are MDs, that > would be true for Europe as well. > > Of course, who trusts Fox news anyways? > > K. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:51 PM, > <acukath (AT) gmail (DOT) com <acukath%40gmail. com>>wrote: > > > > this is from fox news. they give an interesting definition of 'western' > > acupuncture, to be distiguished from 'chinese' acupuncture. > > > > Chinese Medicine > > > > Health Article > > Email <http://health. myfoxny.com/ Email.aspx> > > Bookmark<http://health. myfoxny.com/ textitem. aspx?id=1429#> > > Feedback <http://health. myfoxny.com/ Feedback. aspx> > > Acupuncture: what is it? > > > > Acupuncture is an essential component of traditional Chinese medicine and > > has been practiced in the Orient for over 2000 years. Although > acupuncture > > was introduced to Europe in the 14th century, it has only recently caught > > the attention of North American health professionals. > > > > Acupuncture involves inserting very thin needles into acupuncture points. > > These points are arranged along vertical lines in the body called > > meridians. > > One or many acupuncture points may be used during a treatment. The choice > > of > > points depends on the condition being treated. > > > > The two most commonly used acupuncture techniques are *traditional > Chinese > > acupuncture* and *anatomical acupuncture* , also known as * " Western " > > acupuncture* . > > Traditional Chinese acupuncture > > > > According to Chinese philosophy, disease is a sign that the body's > > equilibrium (the *yin* and the *yang*) is not in balance. Acupuncture > > points > > are chosen to rebalance the yin and yang. > > > > Meridians are thought to be pathways for vital energy flow throughout the > > body. The acupuncture points on the meridians access the meridians. > Energy > > flowing through the meridians is known as *chi*. > > > > An excess or deficiency of chi is thought to result in pain and disease. > > Thus, blockage of chi's circulation can cause pain and illness. Insertion > > of > > needles at the acupuncture points frees the blockage and promotes normal > > flow of chi. > > > > The acupuncturist may heat the needles using moxa. This is said to > increase > > energy in the body. The needle may be stimulated by hand or with a small > > electrical current. > > Western acupuncture > > > > In Western acupuncture, selection of acupuncture points is based on a > > Western type of diagnosis. > > > > Since it has become apparent that all the acupuncture points are located > > close to important nerves, Western acupuncture is used primarily to treat > > painful conditions. To do this, acupuncture points are selected that are > > close to the nerves supplying the painful area. It is thought that > > stimulating the nerves this way enables the body to produce its own > > painkillers, called* endorphins*. > > > > Most Western-trained physicians usually incorporate both traditional > > Chinese > > acupuncture and Western techniques in their treatments. > > Author: Lynda Thorson, RN, and Zenona Hrabar, MD > > Reviewer: MediResource Clinical Team > > Sources > > Last updated: May 29, 2007 > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: > > Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com > > > > and from the following suppliers: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > > > http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category= 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg= > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com<kbartlett%40Acupun ctureAsheville. com><kbartlett% 40AcupunctureAsh eville.com> > > www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I've noticed a tendency among MD acupuncturists to explain the working of acupuncture in terms of the nervous system. For instance, an interesting treatment for macular degeneration, from a Dr. A.C. Lundgren (in Phoenix, I think --- has a website with all the details) attempts to explain the workings of ES in terms of nerves. The Tx involved: a) ES between St-1 and Lr-14, with St-1 threading a long thin needle under the eyeball to the optic nerve. Lundgren claimed, if I recall correctly, the optic nerve was being stimulated. (Frankly, I don't believe that with ES on a needle that deep into tissue that one can say the electricity flows out at the tip of the needle. My understanding is that the electrons will flow by the path of least resistance, most often through fluids and near the skin.) b) ES between Lr-8 and Lr-3, which are explained also in terms of proximity to the peroneal and other nerves. Reminds me of Kim Taylor's description of that " new " scientific system of acupuncture point organization just after the revolution, that reorganized all the points by sectors of the body, and explained the workings in terms of Pavlovian theories of the nervous system. But then the actual treatment descriptions accompanying that system used traditional points in traditional ways. Not unlike Paul Unschlud's noting that for all the grandiose theorization applying " systematic correspondence " (yin-yang, 5-phase, tastes, channels, etc.) to herbology in the Song-Yuan-Jin times, the treatments recommended seemed more to align with traditional notions of empirical efficacy. That is to say, the rigid systemization did not lead that much to a new way of designing formulas, in practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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