Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Hi, Anyone know what diagnosis is usually involved with a morphology issue with male infertility? I have a new patient that had a sperm analysis done and came up with having good numbers on everything except sperm morphology, which was a 9 on the Kruger test. I've tried to find good information on treating this issue and have not found much out there. I've had quite a bit of success treating female infertility but not much experience with male infertility. He does not have a lot of symptoms to go by, so its not too clear to me what his diagnosis is. One source said that morphology issues are yin deficient heat, another said blood stagnation. He does have erection problems--difficulty with both maintaining an erection and with premature ejaculation. He also is in recovery for sex addiction and has a history of excessive masturbation which I'm sure drained his kidney energy. He said that this issue started when he was only 3 years old--so definitely a drain there--plenty of reason to suspect yin deficient fire but his tongue does not appear yin deficient. I've treated him in the past for back pain which responded to clearing dampheat, so perhaps the dampness is masking the yin deficiency. Any thoughts? Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I had encountered similar problems with a patient and perhaps you should look into vericocelectomy surgery-very efficient,plus herbs like Ho-Shou wu,Astragalous Tribulus(spermogenesis) Rehmania and Liv/Kid Yin tonics like Dabuyin,my suggestion would be herb teas not so much pills but more like regular good old fassion Herbs,also definitely a blood moving formula with Salvia,perhaps heat clearing formulas and blood tonifying formulas Tom ? heylaurag <heylaurag Chinese Medicine Thu, 20 Nov 2008 4:59 am Male infertility-morphology Hi, Anyone know what diagnosis is usually involved with a morphology issue with male infertility? I have a new patient that had a sperm analysis done and came up with having good numbers on everything except sperm morphology, which was a 9 on the Kruger test. I've tried to find good information on treating this issue and have not found much out there. I've had quite a bit of success treating female infertility but not much experience with male infertility. He does not have a lot of symptoms to go by, so its not too clear to me what his diagnosis is. One source said that morphology issues are yin deficient heat, another said blood stagnation. He does have erection problems--difficulty with both maintaining an erection and with premature ejaculation. He also is in recovery for sex addiction and has a history of excessive masturbation which I'm sure drained his kidney energy. He said that this issue started when he was only 3 years old--so definitely a drain there--plenty of reason to suspect yin deficient fire but his tongue does not appear yin deficient. I've treated him in the past for back pain which responded to clearing dampheat, so perhaps the dampness is masking the yin deficiency. Any thoughts? Laura --- Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I was taught that: - low motility is yang deficiency - abnormal morphology is blood stasis - low sperm volume/ poor liquefaction is KI yin deficiency or SP deficiency - and that Liver qi congestion and phlegm-damp can also cause infertility, but I don't know what the analysis would look like for these I was told that dan shen and dang gui are especially good for abnormal morphology. I haven't tried any of this stuff in my practice, but I learned it from Li Fang Liang who knows her business when it comes to infertility. Ariel ThomasinUs888 wrote: > > > > > I had encountered similar problems with a patient and perhaps you > should look into vericocelectomy surgery-very efficient,plus herbs > like Ho-Shou wu,Astragalous Tribulus(spermogenesis) Rehmania and > Liv/Kid Yin tonics like Dabuyin,my suggestion would be herb teas not > so much pills but more like regular good old fassion Herbs,also > definitely a blood moving formula with Salvia,perhaps heat clearing > formulas and blood tonifying formulas > Tom ? > > > heylaurag <heylaurag <heylaurag%40hotmail.com>> > Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40> > Thu, 20 Nov 2008 4:59 am > Male infertility-morphology > > Hi, > > Anyone know what diagnosis is usually involved with a morphology > issue with male infertility? > > I have a new patient that had a sperm analysis done and came up with > having good numbers on everything except sperm morphology, which was > a 9 on the Kruger test. I've tried to find good information on > treating this issue and have not found much out there. I've had > quite a bit of success treating female infertility but not much > experience with male infertility. He does not have a lot of symptoms > to go by, so its not too clear to me what his diagnosis is. One > source said that morphology issues are yin deficient heat, another > said blood stagnation. He does have erection problems--difficulty > with both maintaining an erection and with premature ejaculation. He > also is in recovery for sex addiction and has a history of excessive > masturbation which I'm sure drained his kidney energy. He said that > this issue started when he was only 3 years old--so definitely a > drain there--plenty of reason to suspect yin deficient fire but his > tongue does not appear yin deficient. I've treated him in the past > for back pain which responded to clearing dampheat, so perhaps the > dampness is masking the yin deficiency. > > Any thoughts? > > Laura > > --- > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com> > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese > medicine and > acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia> > > > > <> > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hi Ariel, thank you so much for sharing this information. Being a blood deficient type I have a tendency to project my issues on my patients a bit and avoid using much in the way of blood moving herbs. So without this input I probably would have avoided that path. Chinese Medicine , " Ariel Solomon, L.Ac. " <ariel wrote: > > I was taught that: > - low motility is yang deficiency > - abnormal morphology is blood stasis > - low sperm volume/ poor liquefaction is KI yin deficiency or SP deficiency > - and that Liver qi congestion and phlegm-damp can also cause > infertility, but I don't know what the analysis would look like for these > > I was told that dan shen and dang gui are especially good for abnormal > morphology. > > I haven't tried any of this stuff in my practice, but I learned it from > Li Fang Liang who knows her business when it comes to infertility. > > Ariel > > > ThomasinUs888 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I had encountered similar problems with a patient and perhaps you > > should look into vericocelectomy surgery-very efficient,plus herbs > > like Ho-Shou wu,Astragalous Tribulus(spermogenesis) Rehmania and > > Liv/Kid Yin tonics like Dabuyin,my suggestion would be herb teas not > > so much pills but more like regular good old fassion Herbs,also > > definitely a blood moving formula with Salvia,perhaps heat clearing > > formulas and blood tonifying formulas > > Tom ? > > > > > > heylaurag <heylaurag <heylaurag%40hotmail.com>> > > Chinese Medicine > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > Thu, 20 Nov 2008 4:59 am > > Male infertility-morphology > > > > Hi, > > > > Anyone know what diagnosis is usually involved with a morphology > > issue with male infertility? > > > > I have a new patient that had a sperm analysis done and came up with > > having good numbers on everything except sperm morphology, which was > > a 9 on the Kruger test. I've tried to find good information on > > treating this issue and have not found much out there. I've had > > quite a bit of success treating female infertility but not much > > experience with male infertility. He does not have a lot of symptoms > > to go by, so its not too clear to me what his diagnosis is. One > > source said that morphology issues are yin deficient heat, another > > said blood stagnation. He does have erection problems--difficulty > > with both maintaining an erection and with premature ejaculation. He > > also is in recovery for sex addiction and has a history of excessive > > masturbation which I'm sure drained his kidney energy. He said that > > this issue started when he was only 3 years old--so definitely a > > drain there--plenty of reason to suspect yin deficient fire but his > > tongue does not appear yin deficient. I've treated him in the past > > for back pain which responded to clearing dampheat, so perhaps the > > dampness is masking the yin deficiency. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Laura > > > > --- > > > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com> > > > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese > > medicine and > > acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > > <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia> > > > > > > > > <> > > and adjust accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > > group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > > necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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