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wondering what contacts we might have in chicago to arrange for an

acupuncture treatment for an Obama family member. Tan style would give

instant results for pain, but even a stress relief tx would be great

publicity for the profession.

 

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:48 AM, ycmgh wrote:

 

> Okidoke folks, I bet a lot of you have ideas on the role that

> acupuncture should place in the " change " anticipated by so many. So I

> have a few questions about the organized acupuncture bodies' role in

> making our voices heard before the new administration.

>

> On the individual level, we can all make our express our thoughts on

> the http://change.gov site. Of course, a coherently organized voice

> will do so much more in giving form to the change we already know that

> acupuncture should play in health care.

>

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Since Obama is a friend with Oprah,

Oprah might be able to be the link to get acupuncture into the white house.

 

There's probably a hundred practitioners who would want to be the one to get

that type of publicity and status.

It might be hard to find the right one. I think that there's somebody

already there who has the " in " on the DC circuit.

Most likely, allowing for it to happen naturally and organically would be

better than trying to push it.

 

My vote would be someone who has at least 20 years of experience and respect

from other acupuncturists, has great bed-side manner and someone who can

explain how acupuncture works to the public, so that Dr. Oz doesn't have to

be the one to do it.

It's kind of a gamble, because if you're the one picked, then you'll either

be praised or criticized by your peers and the rest of the medical

establishment.

 

Chuang tzu said that he would rather wag his tail in the mud.

 

K.

 

 

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM,

wrote:

 

> wondering what contacts we might have in chicago to arrange for an

> acupuncture treatment for an Obama family member. Tan style would give

> instant results for pain, but even a stress relief tx would be great

> publicity for the profession.

>

> Chinese Medicine

>

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:48 AM, ycmgh wrote:

>

> > Okidoke folks, I bet a lot of you have ideas on the role that

> > acupuncture should place in the " change " anticipated by so many. So I

> > have a few questions about the organized acupuncture bodies' role in

> > making our voices heard before the new administration.

> >

> > On the individual level, we can all make our express our thoughts on

> > the http://change.gov site. Of course, a coherently organized voice

> > will do so much more in giving form to the change we already know that

> > acupuncture should play in health care.

> >

> > cheers,

> > y.c.

> >

> >

> > Recent Activity

> >

> > - 3

> > New Members<

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> > What symptoms

> >

> > are most serious?

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> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment:

> Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for , or from the following

> suppliers:

>

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

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acupuncture is already in the White House.

My brother whom was in the Eisenhower section acroos from the West Wing told me

they were using that on pilots for retinal degeneration vision problems...lets

see back when I had to treat my brother for a hand injury with homeopathy about

3 years ago. We were talking about alternative medicine, my point being our

troops certainly did not have the best care, that on the battle field,

homeopathy would be better than western medicine. Also of course, TCM

acupuncture, he let me know upon his return that they were using it

already.Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

: johnkokko:

Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:28 -0800Re: Re: Acupuncture for the

Obama's

 

 

 

Since Obama is a friend with Oprah,Oprah might be able to be the link to get

acupuncture into the white house.There's probably a hundred practitioners who

would want to be the one to getthat type of publicity and status.It might be

hard to find the right one. I think that there's somebodyalready there who has

the " in " on the DC circuit.Most likely, allowing for it to happen naturally and

organically would bebetter than trying to push it.My vote would be someone who

has at least 20 years of experience and respectfrom other acupuncturists, has

great bed-side manner and someone who canexplain how acupuncture works to the

public, so that Dr. Oz doesn't have tobe the one to do it.It's kind of a gamble,

because if you're the one picked, then you'll eitherbe praised or criticized by

your peers and the rest of the medicalestablishment.Chuang tzu said that he

would rather wag his tail in the mud.K.On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Kath

Bartlett, MS, LAcwrote:> wondering what contacts we might

have in chicago to arrange for an> acupuncture treatment for an Obama family

member. Tan style would give> instant results for pain, but even a stress relief

tx would be great> publicity for the profession.>> Chinese Medicine>> On Wed, Nov

12, 2008 at 9:48 AM, ycmgh wrote:>> > Okidoke folks, I bet a lot of you have

ideas on the role that> > acupuncture should place in the " change " anticipated

by so many. So I> > have a few questions about the organized acupuncture bodies'

role in> > making our voices heard before the new administration.> >> > On the

individual level, we can all make our express our thoughts on> > the

http://change.gov site. Of course, a coherently organized voice> > will do so

much more in giving form to the change we already know that> > acupuncture

should play in health care.> >> > cheers,> > y.c.> >> >> > Recent Activity> >> >

- 3> > New Members<>

Chinese Medicine/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJm\

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geal-reflux-disease-gerd-topic-overview/healthwise--hw99179.html> >> >> > What

symptoms> >> > are most serious?> > Meditation and> >> > Lovingkindness<>

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alth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1226510139/L=/B=x2ELBELaX9U-/J=1226502939105049\

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>> >> > A Group> >> > to share and learn.> > Search Ads> >> > Get new

customers.<>

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in Search.> > .> >> > __,_._,__> >> --> >

Oriental Medicine> Experienced, Dedicated,

Effective>> Flying Dragon Liniment:> Effective pain relief for muscles & joints>

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist> Available at

Asheville Center for , or from the following> suppliers:>> Kamwo

Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown>

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1>> Golden

Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC>>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=>> Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place,

Suite West Wing Two> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777>

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Chinese Medicine , " Kath Bartlett,

MS, LAc " wrote:

>

> wondering what contacts we might have in chicago to arrange for an

> acupuncture treatment for an Obama family member. Tan style would

give

> instant results for pain, but even a stress relief tx would be great

> publicity for the profession.

>

> Chinese Medicine

 

But seriously...(I figure Kath doesn't have inside info on the Obama

family from down in beautiful Asheville...but who knows?)

We sent him a letter (pre-election) to offer our services to him and

his staff for smoking cessation. No response as of yet!

Can you imagine the security issues involved in treating a member of

his family, much less him? Wow.

I will definitely be watching his proposals for health care reform

very closely for signs of CAM. Anyone have any inside info on that?

 

Heidi Irwin

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This whole discussion feels very weird to me.  If we were the pharmaceutical

industry, this would be akin to discussing drugging the president, to persuade

him to favor our industry.  Ick!  I think discussions with him and his staff is

a far better idea.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Andrea Beth

 

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

Happy Hours in the CALM Center

1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5

Cottonwood, AZ  86326

(928) 274-1373

 

 

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, heidiirwin <heidiirwin wrote:

heidiirwin <heidiirwin

Re: Acupuncture for the Obama's

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Thursday, November 13, 2008, 7:36 PM

 

Chinese Medicine , " Kath Bartlett,

MS, LAc " wrote:

>

> wondering what contacts we might have in chicago to arrange for an

> acupuncture treatment for an Obama family member. Tan style would

give

> instant results for pain, but even a stress relief tx would be great

> publicity for the profession.

>

> Chinese Medicine

 

But seriously...(I figure Kath doesn't have inside info on the Obama

family from down in beautiful Asheville...but who knows?)

We sent him a letter (pre-election) to offer our services to him and

his staff for smoking cessation. No response as of yet!

Can you imagine the security issues involved in treating a member of

his family, much less him? Wow.

I will definitely be watching his proposals for health care reform

very closely for signs of CAM. Anyone have any inside info on that?

 

Heidi Irwin

 

 

 

 

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Andrea, all,

 

I agree that there is something not quite right here. And what about

patient confidentiality? President or not, actual or prospective, I conider

confidentiality as part of the profession's ethics. I am a " hard liner " when

it comes to confidentiality.

 

Artemis

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:51 PM

Re: Re: Acupuncture for the Obama's

 

 

This whole discussion feels very weird to me. If we were the pharmaceutical

industry, this would be akin to discussing drugging the president, to

persuade him to favor our industry. Ick! I think discussions with him and

his staff is a far better idea.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Andrea Beth

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Good point, Artemis.  I have to agree.  Nice to hear from you.

 

Andrea Beth

 

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

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Cottonwood, AZ  86326

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--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Artemis Papert <artemis.artemis wrote:

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Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:07 AM

 

Andrea, all,

 

I agree that there is something not quite right here. And what about

patient confidentiality? President or not, actual or prospective, I conider

confidentiality as part of the profession's ethics. I am a " hard

liner " when

it comes to confidentiality.

 

Artemis

 

 

 

 

-

 

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:51 PM

Re: Re: Acupuncture for the Obama's

 

 

This whole discussion feels very weird to me. If we were the pharmaceutical

industry, this would be akin to discussing drugging the president, to

persuade him to favor our industry. Ick! I think discussions with him and

his staff is a far better idea.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Andrea Beth

 

 

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