Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 With reference to the recent discussion about extreme stomach pain, I have a similar query about sound sensitivity. The patient is highly sensitive to (low or high) sounds. I am not sure about this condition, but internet research revealed a term “Hyperacusia”. Only the stomach is sensitive (jumps) due to the sounds, and then gets irritated leading to gastritis and diarhoea. The irritability/jumping occurs only at the left side, between the costal margin and Cv08 to Cv14. Treatment at st 44 and st 36 does not seem useful, so probably local points would be suitable. Gb 24 feels good with pressure. Clinical tests reveal nothing much unusual and recommend gastritis and diarhoea. Steve. --\ -------- Hi Zinnia, Robert gave you some really solid advice to get started on. I would offer two more points - 1. as much as it is irrelevant to his perception of his pain, it is significant that you normalised his body temperature, we _all start somewhere_. He needs patience and time, _he needs patience and time_. Hopefully you will do something magical, but when someone is, frankly, as screwed up as he is, we can simply hope for slow consistent progress, not miracle cures. 2. Whenever we are faced with an immovable mass, we apply pressure and lack of pressure all around, and we sense where the movement or response is. Every immovable mass has a point of response. Then, like water we begin to wear down the hardness and nurture the growth: " Under Heaven, nothing is more soft and yielding than Water. Yet for attacking the solid and strong, nothing is better. It has no equal. The weak can overcome the strong. " (Tao Teh Ching) It _is not fair to yourself_ to say " no response " " no response " , in fact you may hold yourself back and break your own spirit. The man has suffered multiple severe internal injuries including removal of organs and has not been able to take in post-heaven nourishment properly for years; he cannot be expected to respond like a twenty year old. He needs to be _nursed_ back to health, _nurtured_ back to balance. Forgive my passion tonight. Good luck, Hugo Recent Activity 4 New MembersVisit Your Group Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Best of Y! Groups Check out the best of what Groups has to offer. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Hi Steve; Sounds like a liver issue, BUT WHAT IS the tongue, pulse, history??? Thanks, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Steve Segal <stevsgl Chinese Medicine Friday, 7 November, 2008 4:31:46 sound sensitivity/extreme pain With reference to the recent discussion about extreme stomach pain, I have a similar query about sound sensitivity. The patient is highly sensitive to (low or high) sounds. I am not sure about this condition, but internet research revealed a term “Hyperacusiaâ€. Only the stomach is sensitive (jumps) due to the sounds, and then gets irritated leading to gastritis and diarhoea. The irritability/jumping occurs only at the left side, between the costal margin and Cv08 to Cv14. Treatment at st 44 and st 36 does not seem useful, so probably local points would be suitable. Gb 24 feels good with pressure. Clinical tests reveal nothing much unusual and recommend gastritis and diarhoea. Steve. --\ -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 The tongue is with a white fur coat at the center. The pulse is soft, full and rolling. His history has a strong pathology with vaccinations and allopathic tests/treatments over several years for gastritis and IBS. In addition to the extreme sound sensitivity, the patient also mentions persistent nasal dryness. Other symptoms include lingering low fevers, underweight, acidity, muscular problems on the left side only, ranging from foot sole cramping, flatulence, to shoulder and neck cramps. Steve. --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hugo Ramiro <subincor Re: sound sensitivity/extreme pain Chinese Medicine Friday, November 7, 2008, 11:44 AM Hi Steve; Sounds like a liver issue, BUT WHAT IS the tongue, pulse, history??? Thanks, Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org ____________ _________ _________ __ Steve Segal <stevsgl > Friday, 7 November, 2008 4:31:46 sound sensitivity/ extreme pain With reference to the recent discussion about extreme stomach pain, I have a similar query about sound sensitivity. The patient is highly sensitive to (low or high) sounds. I am not sure about this condition, but internet research revealed a term “Hyperacusia”. Only the stomach is sensitive (jumps) due to the sounds, and then gets irritated leading to gastritis and diarhoea. The irritability/ jumping occurs only at the left side, between the costal margin and Cv08 to Cv14. Treatment at st 44 and st 36 does not seem useful, so probably local points would be suitable. Gb 24 feels good with pressure. Clinical tests reveal nothing much unusual and recommend gastritis and diarhoea. Steve. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Hi Steven, thanks for the additional info: If you are referring to the _patient's_ left side " jumping " or pulsing, it may be, according to hara diagnosis, a Yin Wei / Chong Mai pathology. Pulse- Rolling, Soft and Full / Hua, Ru, and Shi: Rolling/Hua - probably phlegm retention and internal heat Soft/Ru - probably severe deficiency and some trapped dampness Full/Shi - perverse qi and upright qi fighting each other (should be felt at all three levels) In any case, there is clearly some rebellious or counterflow qi going on, probably starting from his obvious deficiency which leads to his liver insulting spleen (what I like to call depletion blockade (it impresses the doctors I work with bwahahaha)). I would treat for liver qi constraint and depletion. Need to know more to know what kind fo depletion, however. But for sure his qi is not free-flowing. His sensitivity to sounds is just liver-heat, and his adb pulse starts jumping because of that constrained liver qi trying to move when it gets activated/startled. Hope that helps, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Steve Segal <stevsgl Chinese Medicine Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 8:41:01 Re: sound sensitivity/extreme pain The tongue is with a white fur coat at the center. The pulse is soft, full and rolling. His history has a strong pathology with vaccinations and allopathic tests/treatments over several years for gastritis and IBS. In addition to the extreme sound sensitivity, the patient also mentions persistent nasal dryness. Other symptoms include lingering low fevers, underweight, acidity, muscular problems on the left side only, ranging from foot sole cramping, flatulence, to shoulder and neck cramps. Steve. --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hugo Ramiro <subincor Re: sound sensitivity/extreme pain Chinese Medicine Friday, November 7, 2008, 11:44 AM Hi Steve; Sounds like a liver issue, BUT WHAT IS the tongue, pulse, history??? Thanks, Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org ____________ _________ _________ __ Steve Segal <stevsgl > Friday, 7 November, 2008 4:31:46 sound sensitivity/ extreme pain With reference to the recent discussion about extreme stomach pain, I have a similar query about sound sensitivity. The patient is highly sensitive to (low or high) sounds. I am not sure about this condition, but internet research revealed a term “Hyperacusiaâ€. Only the stomach is sensitive (jumps) due to the sounds, and then gets irritated leading to gastritis and diarhoea. The irritability/ jumping occurs only at the left side, between the costal margin and Cv08 to Cv14. Treatment at st 44 and st 36 does not seem useful, so probably local points would be suitable. Gb 24 feels good with pressure. Clinical tests reveal nothing much unusual and recommend gastritis and diarhoea. Steve. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Yes, that should be a good treatment. Thanks. Steve. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hugo Ramiro <subincor Re: sound sensitivity/extreme pain Chinese Medicine Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:40 PM Hi Steven, thanks for the additional info: If you are referring to the _patient's_ left side " jumping " or pulsing, it may be, according to hara diagnosis, a Yin Wei / Chong Mai pathology. Pulse- Rolling, Soft and Full / Hua, Ru, and Shi: Rolling/Hua - probably phlegm retention and internal heat Soft/Ru - probably severe deficiency and some trapped dampness Full/Shi - perverse qi and upright qi fighting each other (should be felt at all three levels) In any case, there is clearly some rebellious or counterflow qi going on, probably starting from his obvious deficiency which leads to his liver insulting spleen (what I like to call depletion blockade (it impresses the doctors I work with bwahahaha)). I would treat for liver qi constraint and depletion. Need to know more to know what kind fo depletion, however. But for sure his qi is not free-flowing. His sensitivity to sounds is just liver-heat, and his adb pulse starts jumping because of that constrained liver qi trying to move when it gets activated/startled. Hope that helps, Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org ____________ _________ _________ __ Steve Segal <stevsgl > Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 8:41:01 Re: sound sensitivity/ extreme pain The tongue is with a white fur coat at the center. The pulse is soft, full and rolling. His history has a strong pathology with vaccinations and allopathic tests/treatments over several years for gastritis ad IBS. In addition to the extreme sound sensitivity, the patient also mentions persistent nasal dryness. Other symptoms include lingering low fevers, underweight, acidity, muscular problems on the left side only, ranging from foot sole cramping, flatulence, to shoulder and neck cramps. Steve. _ ------------ --------- --------- ------ Recent Activity 3 New MembersVisit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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