Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Hi, I would appreciate some suggestions with the lower back pain patient. 27 yr old female with a history of severe endometriosis, has experiences LBD for last 3 years with all diagnostics coming up negative. She has deep dark blue veins about 1/4 inch long on her lower and upper back; they seem to be too deep for bleeding. They are a bit thicker and what you usually see, meaning not just thin lines. I tried cupping with little improvement. Moxa seems to help but the improvement is slow, we are already at the 9th tretament and she has reached only about 20%. Any suggestions? I didn't try bleeding yet, the veins are deep, and the client is sensitive. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Sonia Rocha Chinese Medicine Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:47 AM Re: Re: ear seeds on babies? Dear Sami, Thanks for your reply. Will try the ear seeds then. Just to clarify something else the neurasthenia points and deep sleep correspond to any chinese points at all? I was checking for the Dr.Li-chun Huang's books and chart but found them available in America only and a bit overprice for me to buy and ship to europe at the moment. Thanks so much, Sonia --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Sami Rank LAc <herbsnacupnxr wrote: > Sami Rank LAc <herbsnacupnxr > Re: ear seeds on babies? > Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 8:42 PM > absolutely! that is the preferred way. Pts: shen men, heart, > > neurasthenia area, neurasthenia pt, nervous subcortex, and > deep sleep > pt (on back of ear). > I wouldn't do the ear apex bleeding on the little one > unless acomp. by > high fever, and only a few drops, but that would be extreme > treatment. > if you have trouble locating some of the points, refrence > Dr.Li-chun > Huang's books and chart. > Sami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Hi Angela. Could you take photographs? What is her tongue like? Moxa sounds like it is indicated. Are you going to try any herbals? What is the rest of her presentation like? I personally wouldn't worry about moving fast with a patient like this if there are fairly consistent, trackable improvements. Think about it: 9 treatments (= nine hours over nine weeks?). History of " severe " endometriosis, LBP for THREE YEARS, has deep blue veins on her _back_ for gosh sake's, it all sounds like a yin condition (blood stasis + deficiency)...yin doesn't move fast... I would encourage her to take her time. I would also personally put her on a low fee unless she's well off. I wonder if she's eating many cold foods, or eating at all, or has a history of these behaviours? Anyway, those are just some thoughts, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa Chinese Medicine Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 17:56:34 Re: LBP Hi, I would appreciate some suggestions with the lower back pain patient. 27 yr old female with a history of severe endometriosis, has experiences LBD for last 3 years with all diagnostics coming up negative. She has deep dark blue veins about 1/4 inch long on her lower and upper back; they seem to be too deep for bleeding. They are a bit thicker and what you usually see, meaning not just thin lines. I tried cupping with little improvement. Moxa seems to help but the improvement is slow, we are already at the 9th tretament and she has reached only about 20%. Any suggestions? I didn't try bleeding yet, the veins are deep, and the client is sensitive. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Sonia Rocha Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:47 AM Re: Re: ear seeds on babies? Dear Sami, Thanks for your reply. Will try the ear seeds then. Just to clarify something else the neurasthenia points and deep sleep correspond to any chinese points at all? I was checking for the Dr.Li-chun Huang's books and chart but found them available in America only and a bit overprice for me to buy and ship to europe at the moment. Thanks so much, Sonia --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Sami Rank LAc <herbsnacupnxr@ > wrote: > Sami Rank LAc <herbsnacupnxr@ > > Re: ear seeds on babies? > > Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 8:42 PM > absolutely! that is the preferred way. Pts: shen men, heart, > > neurasthenia area, neurasthenia pt, nervous subcortex, and > deep sleep > pt (on back of ear). > I wouldn't do the ear apex bleeding on the little one > unless acomp. by > high fever, and only a few drops, but that would be extreme > treatment. > if you have trouble locating some of the points, refrence > Dr.Li-chun > Huang's books and chart. > Sami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Sounds like Kidney Yang def, which means cupping or bleeding won't do much as the stasis is caused by chronic def. Use moxa or a heat lamp on Mingmen, Guilai, Qihai and Guanyuan. Also the formula Wen Jing Tang will help. Get her to eat a lot of Yang foods as well. Attilio www.attilidalberto.com Chinese Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote: > > Hi, I would appreciate some suggestions with the lower back pain patient. 27 yr old female with a history of severe endometriosis, has experiences LBD for last 3 years with all diagnostics coming up negative. She has deep dark blue veins about 1/4 inch long on her lower and upper back; they seem to be too deep for bleeding. They are a bit thicker and what you usually see, meaning not just thin lines. I tried cupping with little improvement. Moxa seems to help but the improvement is slow, we are already at the 9th tretament and she has reached only about 20%. Any suggestions? I didn't try bleeding yet, the veins are deep, and the client is sensitive. > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > Sonia Rocha > Chinese Medicine > Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:47 AM > Re: Re: ear seeds on babies? > > > > > Dear Sami, > > Thanks for your reply. > Will try the ear seeds then. > > Just to clarify something else the neurasthenia points and deep sleep correspond to any chinese points at all? > I was checking for the Dr.Li-chun Huang's books and chart but found them available in America only and a bit overprice for me to buy and ship to europe at the moment. > > Thanks so much, > > Sonia > > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Sami Rank LAc <herbsnacupnxr wrote: > > > Sami Rank LAc <herbsnacupnxr > > Re: ear seeds on babies? > > Chinese Medicine > > Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 8:42 PM > > absolutely! that is the preferred way. Pts: shen men, heart, > > > > neurasthenia area, neurasthenia pt, nervous subcortex, and > > deep sleep > > pt (on back of ear). > > I wouldn't do the ear apex bleeding on the little one > > unless acomp. by > > high fever, and only a few drops, but that would be extreme > > treatment. > > if you have trouble locating some of the points, refrence > > Dr.Li-chun > > Huang's books and chart. > > Sami > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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