Super-placebo = effect produced by placebo + all non-specific factors working together

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" The underlying mechanism may be a kind of super-placebo effect

produced by placebo and all non-specific factors working together. "

 

 

 

" Non-specific factors " - are these the things which define one

individual from another?

 

 

Sham vs sham - are some 'sham' acupuncture interventions more of

a 'sham' than others?

 

'off the point needling' - could still be in the channel?

 

'very superficial needling' - Japanese-style by accident?

 

'off-point-superficial needling' - see above

 

'points you wouldn't routinely use for that condition' - but which

might be used in another setting according to 5 Phase theory,

horarary theory, any other theory, or as adjunctive points when

treating an underlying pattern?

 

'pretending to be administering acupuncture with a funny, fake doo-

dad' - touching people makes things happen?

 

and the last one: 'applying a one-size-fits-all point prescription

protocol to an individual without regard to his or her TCM patterns

of disharmony' - scam or sham?

 

 

 

My sense is that medical research will really be onto something

profoundly useful, when it seeks to understand the psycho-neuro-

immunological-spiritual-biochemical processes and inter-relationships

which are currently called placebo.

 

Margi

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Phil

 

OR........ the underlying effect maybe very much tied to the effect of the Extra

Cellular Matrix and specifically the fascia.

 

When an AP needle maybe off point it still effects the channel/meridian as it

enters into the fascia which is continuous.

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

See this.

 

AP May Benefit Patients with Low Back Pain: Verum AP, sham AP may be

nearly twice as effective as conventional therapy.

 

In patients with low back pain, both traditional Chinese verum AP and

sham AP may be more effective than conventional therapy, researchers

report in the Sept. 24 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine.

 

Michael Haake, Ph.D., M.D., of the University of Regensburg in Bad

Abbach, Germany, and colleagues randomly assigned 1162 patients to

receive verum AP, sham AP or conventional therapy. After six months,

the researchers found that the response rate (defined as a 33%

improvement in pain or a 12% improvement in functional ability -- was

47.6% in the verum AP group, 44.2% in the sham AP group and 27.4% in

the conventional therapy group.

 

" The superiority of both forms of AP suggests a common underlying

mechanism that may act on pain generation, transmission of pain

signals, or processing of pain signals by the central nervous system

and that is stronger than the action mechanism of conventional

therapy, " the authors write. " The underlying mechanism may be a kind

of super-placebo effect produced by placebo and all non-specific

factors working together. Nevertheless, the effectiveness of AP

cannot be attributed merely to a placebo effect because there is no

reason to believe that the action mechanism of conventional therapy

is the result solely of the placebo effect. "

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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traditional_Chinese_Medicine

Sun, 2 Nov 2008 2:48 pm

Super-placebo = effect produced by placebo + all non-specific

factors working together

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

See this.

 

AP May Benefit Patients with Low Back Pain: Verum AP, sham AP may be

nearly twice as effective as conventional therapy.

 

In patients with low back pain, both traditional Chinese verum AP and

sham AP may be more effective than conventional therapy, researchers

report in the Sept. 24 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine.

 

Michael Haake, Ph.D., M.D., of the University of Regensburg in Bad

Abbach, Germany, and colleagues randomly assigned 1162 patients to

receive verum AP, sham AP or conventional therapy. After six months,

the researchers found that the response rate (defined as a 33%

improvement in pain or a 12% improvement in functional ability -- was

47.6% in the verum AP group, 44.2% in the sham AP group and 27.4% in

the conventional therapy group.

 

" The superiority of both forms of AP suggests a common underlying

mechanism that may act on pain generation, transmission of pain

signals, or processing of pain signals by the central nervous system

and that is stronger than the action mechanism of conventional

therapy, " the authors write. " The underlying mechanism may be a kind

of super-placebo effect produced by placebo and all non-specific

factors working together. Nevertheless, the effectiveness of AP

cannot be attributed merely to a placebo effect because there is no

reason to believe that the action mechanism of conventional therapy

is the result solely of the placebo effect. "

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

See this.

 

AP May Benefit Patients with Low Back Pain: Verum AP, sham AP may be

nearly twice as effective as conventional therapy.

 

In patients with low back pain, both traditional Chinese verum AP and

sham AP may be more effective than conventional therapy, researchers

report in the Sept. 24 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine.

 

Michael Haake, Ph.D., M.D., of the University of Regensburg in Bad

Abbach, Germany, and colleagues randomly assigned 1162 patients to

receive verum AP, sham AP or conventional therapy. After six months,

the researchers found that the response rate (defined as a 33%

improvement in pain or a 12% improvement in functional ability -- was

47.6% in the verum AP group, 44.2% in the sham AP group and 27.4% in

the conventional therapy group.

 

" The superiority of both forms of AP suggests a common underlying

mechanism that may act on pain generation, transmission of pain

signals, or processing of pain signals by the central nervous system

and that is stronger than the action mechanism of conventional

therapy, " the authors write. " The underlying mechanism may be a kind

of super-placebo effect produced by placebo and all non-specific

factors working together. Nevertheless, the effectiveness of AP

cannot be attributed merely to a placebo effect because there is no

reason to believe that the action mechanism of conventional therapy

is the result solely of the placebo effect. "

 

Best regards,