AP at GV26 in clinically dead animals and people

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and All:

 

" Veterinary Record, vol. 105, no.

12, p. 273-276), in 7 cases of anesthetic apnea with concurrent

cardiac arrest and absence of vital signs (i.e. the animals were

" clinically dead " ), the revival rate was 3/7 (43%) and stimulation

had to be continued at intervals for up to 10 minutes, instead of 10-

30 seconds in simple apnoea. "

 

Ah yes, the rare and mythical " God-Placebo " .

 

Hugo

 

 

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http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, 2 November, 2008 14:48:09

AP at GV26 in clinically dead animals and people

 

 

Hi Hugo, & All,

 

Re my note on GV26 + KI01 in apnoeic animals, I wrote ...

> That should read 10-30 SECONDS (not hours!)]

 

Hugo wrote:

> Phil, surely that's greater even than the super-placebo effect! See

> GERAC 2007: " The underlying mechanism may be a kind of superplacebo

> effect produced by placebo and all nonspecific factors working

> together. " I am excited to hear what kind of placebo effect will

> describe your data - perhaps the mega-placebo! Hugo p.s. all joking

> aside, thanks for the link, a very useful document.

 

IMO, the clinical effect of AP in COMATOSE or clinically DEAD

subjects (no respiration & no heartbeat detected) is the MOST

dramatic proof that AP is not a placebo Tx.

 

In our paper (Janssens L, Altman S & Rogers PAM (1979) Respiratory

and cardiac arrest under general anaesthesia: treatment by

acupuncture of the nasal philtrum. Veterinary Record, vol. 105, no.

12, p. 273-276), in 7 cases of anesthetic apnea with concurrent

cardiac arrest and absence of vital signs (i.e. the animals were

" clinically dead " ), the revival rate was 3/7 (43%) and stimulation

had to be continued at intervals for up to 10 minutes, instead of 10-

30 seconds in simple apnoea. Also, in cardiac arrest, cardioactive

points, like PC06, should be added to GV26 + KI01.

 

It is OK by me if sceptics regard AP revival of the " dead " as a

" superplacebo " . However, people should learn where GV26, KI01 and

PC06 are and how to use them to save life!

 

See the GV26 review at:

http://users. med.auth. gr/karanik/ english/articles /gv26.htm

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Hugo, & All,

 

Re my note on GV26 + KI01 in apnoeic animals, I wrote ...

> That should read 10-30 SECONDS (not hours!)]

 

Hugo wrote:

> Phil, surely that's greater even than the super-placebo effect! See

> GERAC 2007: " The underlying mechanism may be a kind of superplacebo

> effect produced by placebo and all nonspecific factors working

> together. " I am excited to hear what kind of placebo effect will

> describe your data - perhaps the mega-placebo! Hugo p.s. all joking

> aside, thanks for the link, a very useful document.

 

IMO, the clinical effect of AP in COMATOSE or clinically DEAD

subjects (no respiration & no heartbeat detected) is the MOST

dramatic proof that AP is not a placebo Tx.

 

In our paper (Janssens L, Altman S & Rogers PAM (1979) Respiratory

and cardiac arrest under general anaesthesia: treatment by

acupuncture of the nasal philtrum. Veterinary Record, vol. 105, no.

12, p. 273-276), in 7 cases of anesthetic apnea with concurrent

cardiac arrest and absence of vital signs (i.e. the animals were

" clinically dead " ), the revival rate was 3/7 (43%) and stimulation

had to be continued at intervals for up to 10 minutes, instead of 10-

30 seconds in simple apnoea. Also, in cardiac arrest, cardioactive

points, like PC06, should be added to GV26 + KI01.

 

It is OK by me if sceptics regard AP revival of the " dead " as a

" superplacebo " . However, people should learn where GV26, KI01 and

PC06 are and how to use them to save life!

 

See the GV26 review at:

http://users.med.auth.gr/karanik/english/articles/gv26.htm

 

Best regards,

 

[Guest guest]

This is good info, maybe leading to standards EMT's can adopt in critical

situations. I've seen those points bring back kids and a couple adults too when

quickly applied. I don't know if they were clinically dead, just no breathing

and/or pulse. To me it would be interesting to hear other people chime in about

useful emergency manipulations. And maybe thoughts on Ko Hung's old book.

 

 

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Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Re: AP at GV26 in clinically dead animals and people

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Sunday, November 2, 2008, 1:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Phil and All:

 

 

 

" Veterinary Record, vol. 105, no.

 

12, p. 273-276), in 7 cases of anesthetic apnea with concurrent

 

cardiac arrest and absence of vital signs (i.e. the animals were

 

" clinically dead " ), the revival rate was 3/7 (43%) and stimulation

 

had to be continued at intervals for up to 10 minutes, instead of 10-

 

30 seconds in simple apnoea. "

 

 

 

Ah yes, the rare and mythical " God-Placebo " .

 

 

 

Hugo

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

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http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

 

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

 

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Sunday, 2 November, 2008 14:48:09

 

AP at GV26 in clinically dead animals and people

 

 

 

Hi Hugo, & All,

 

 

 

Re my note on GV26 + KI01 in apnoeic animals, I wrote ...

 

> That should read 10-30 SECONDS (not hours!)]

 

 

 

Hugo wrote:

 

> Phil, surely that's greater even than the super-placebo effect! See

 

> GERAC 2007: " The underlying mechanism may be a kind of superplacebo

 

> effect produced by placebo and all nonspecific factors working

 

> together. " I am excited to hear what kind of placebo effect will

 

> describe your data - perhaps the mega-placebo! Hugo p.s. all joking

 

> aside, thanks for the link, a very useful document.

 

 

 

IMO, the clinical effect of AP in COMATOSE or clinically DEAD

 

subjects (no respiration & no heartbeat detected) is the MOST

 

dramatic proof that AP is not a placebo Tx.

 

 

 

In our paper (Janssens L, Altman S & Rogers PAM (1979) Respiratory

 

and cardiac arrest under general anaesthesia: treatment by

 

acupuncture of the nasal philtrum. Veterinary Record, vol. 105, no.

 

12, p. 273-276), in 7 cases of anesthetic apnea with concurrent

 

cardiac arrest and absence of vital signs (i.e. the animals were

 

" clinically dead " ), the revival rate was 3/7 (43%) and stimulation

 

had to be continued at intervals for up to 10 minutes, instead of 10-

 

30 seconds in simple apnoea. Also, in cardiac arrest, cardioactive

 

points, like PC06, should be added to GV26 + KI01.

 

 

 

It is OK by me if sceptics regard AP revival of the " dead " as a

 

" superplacebo " . However, people should learn where GV26, KI01 and

 

PC06 are and how to use them to save life!

 

 

 

See the GV26 review at:

 

http://users. med.auth. gr/karanik/ english/articles /gv26.htm

 

 

 

Best regards,