Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 [ " According to literature, intensive needling of this point can cause restoration of respiration in 90-100% after phases of apnea within 10-30 h (19). " That should read 10-30 SECONDS (not hours!)] Phil, surely that's greater even than the super-placebo effect! See GERAC 2007: " The underlying mechanism may be a kind of superplacebo effect produced by placebo and all nonspecific factors working together. " I am excited to hear what kind of placebo effect will describe your data - perhaps the mega-placebo! Hugo p.s. all joking aside, thanks for the link, a very useful document. ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ < Pa-l ; Pva-l ; traditional_Chinese_Medicine Cc: Friday, 31 October, 2008 19:22:22 Ten Years Evidence-based High-Tech Acupuncture Part 3: A Short Review of Animal Experiments Hi All, See Gerhard Litscher (2008) Ten Years Evidence-based High-Tech Acupuncture Part 3: A Short Review of Animal Experiments [eCAM Advance Access published online on May 7, 2008. eCAM, doi:10.1093/ ecam/nen034] http://ecam. oxfordjournals. org/cgi/content/ full/nen034# B19 There is an important typo in the sentence in the discussion referring to our work [Ref 19: Janssens LAA, Altman S, Rogers PAM. Respiratory and cardiac arrest under general anaesthesia: treatment by acupuncture of the nasal philtrum. Vet Rec ( 1979;) 105:: 273-6]. The sentence in the article says: " According to literature, intensive needling of this point can cause restoration of respiration in 90-100% after phases of apnea within 10-30 h (19). " That should read 10-30 SECONDS (not hours!) Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Hi All, See Gerhard Litscher (2008) Ten Years Evidence-based High-Tech Acupuncture Part 3: A Short Review of Animal Experiments [eCAM Advance Access published online on May 7, 2008. eCAM, doi:10.1093/ecam/nen034] http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/nen034#B19 There is an important typo in the sentence in the discussion referring to our work [Ref 19: Janssens LAA, Altman S, Rogers PAM. Respiratory and cardiac arrest under general anaesthesia: treatment by acupuncture of the nasal philtrum. Vet Rec ( 1979;) 105:: 273-6]. The sentence in the article says: " According to literature, intensive needling of this point can cause restoration of respiration in 90-100% after phases of apnea within 10-30 h (19). " That should read 10-30 SECONDS (not hours!) Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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