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I have not seen any dramatic short term results just

> treating the stagnation in the past.

 

Later the same day that I wrote this, I saw a patient who had been impotent

post stroke, but had not infomed us of that. However several days after taking

a formula for phlegm and blood stasis for the hemiplegia he reported, he

began to wake with erections every morning. there were no yang tonics or

any tonics in the formula, but it did include nan xing, an herb I rarely use,

but

which is quite powerful for breaking phlegm obstruction in the channels. He

also reported increased motor control of his thumb, which he had not moved

at all for several months. I can't remember the formula name, but it was a

modification of the one for hemiplegia in sionneau, volume 7, under phlegm-

heat. a week of surprises.

 

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there were no yang tonics or any tonics in the formula, but it did

include nan xing, an herb I rarely use, but which is quite powerful

for breaking phlegm obstruction in the channels. He also reported

increased motor control of his thumb, which he had not moved

> at all for several months. I can't remember the formula name, but

it was a modification of the one for hemiplegia in sionneau, volume

7, under phlegm-heat. a week of surprises.

 

:

 

Impotence can also be caused by cholesterol or another substance

obstructing the blood flow through the capillaries leading to the

penis, nicotine constricting the capillaries, or localized

inflammation. Did your patient fall into any of these catagories or

something similarly localized?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

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Hey all,

 

34 yr old male

CC: inability to maintain erection

 

started two years ago after an achilles injury (followed by surgery).

he (so far!) has no other complaints, no morning diarrhea, no low back

or knee pain, no digestive trouble or bitter taste in mouth. Works

out 3-4x per week, so is physically fit. His doc mentioned that it

may have had something to do with his surgery, but I am not sure why..

can this have anything to do with anesthesia???

 

He has a scar from surgery running along the lateral side of the

achilles, starting at the calcaneal attachment and traveling for about

6 inches.

 

Aside from soreness in the achilles with weather changes or when he

does not exercise, he has no complaints.

 

I am only seeing him for the 2nd time this thursday (23/10/2008) so

hopefully i will get some more info out of him.

 

any thoughts????

 

Even with lack of other signs, I am focusing on kidneys (UB 23, 52, Du

4, KD 3, UB 60) and scar therapy on the achilles.

 

let me know what you think!

 

thanks

Caitlin

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Tan has a theory of the connection between ankle and genitals. You could

consider a Tan treatment.

 

I would treat the scar, either with electric or moxa, and then also do the TCM

treatment. Did you say he has no problem if he does not exercise? I would ask

about the exercise regime and advise him to do less. This seems to be the odd

aspect, if he is 34, it's hard to believe that his kid qi is that deficient. Is

he looking wiped out, pale, etc. Maybe he masturbates a lot????

 

Tan says NOT to combine his treatments with TCM in the same session. Does anyone

have experience with it, does it really diminish the Tan effect?

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa

 

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

 

Phone: 503 364 3022

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Caitlin

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:33 AM

Impotence

 

 

Hey all,

 

34 yr old male

CC: inability to maintain erection

 

started two years ago after an achilles injury (followed by surgery).

he (so far!) has no other complaints, no morning diarrhea, no low back

or knee pain, no digestive trouble or bitter taste in mouth. Works

out 3-4x per week, so is physically fit. His doc mentioned that it

may have had something to do with his surgery, but I am not sure why..

can this have anything to do with anesthesia???

 

He has a scar from surgery running along the lateral side of the

achilles, starting at the calcaneal attachment and traveling for about

6 inches.

 

Aside from soreness in the achilles with weather changes or when he

does not exercise, he has no complaints.

 

I am only seeing him for the 2nd time this thursday (23/10/2008) so

hopefully i will get some more info out of him.

 

any thoughts????

 

Even with lack of other signs, I am focusing on kidneys (UB 23, 52, Du

4, KD 3, UB 60) and scar therapy on the achilles.

 

let me know what you think!

 

thanks

Caitlin

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Try Liv-1, Liv-5, Liv-8 and Liv-9 with strong e-stim between Liv-8 and

Liv-9. The patient should feel the Qi into his groin. Also treat the

Kidneys as you are doing.

 

I've had good luck with this on my patients.

 

Good luck!

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

9832 N. Hayden Rd.

Suite 215

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

 

 

 

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Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

Caitlin

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:34 AM

Chinese Medicine

Impotence

 

 

Hey all,

 

34 yr old male

CC: inability to maintain erection

 

started two years ago after an achilles injury (followed by surgery). he

(so far!) has no other complaints, no morning diarrhea, no low back or

knee pain, no digestive trouble or bitter taste in mouth. Works out

3-4x per week, so is physically fit. His doc mentioned that it may have

had something to do with his surgery, but I am not sure why.. can this

have anything to do with anesthesia???

 

He has a scar from surgery running along the lateral side of the

achilles, starting at the calcaneal attachment and traveling for about 6

inches.

 

Aside from soreness in the achilles with weather changes or when he does

not exercise, he has no complaints.

 

I am only seeing him for the 2nd time this thursday (23/10/2008) so

hopefully i will get some more info out of him.

 

any thoughts????

 

Even with lack of other signs, I am focusing on kidneys (UB 23, 52, Du

4, KD 3, UB 60) and scar therapy on the achilles.

 

let me know what you think!

 

thanks

Caitlin

 

 

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I am guessing maybe the patient had a spinal anesthesia and it affected his

dermatone

 

--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. <vedeler wrote:

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. <vedeler

RE: Impotence

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:51 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Try Liv-1, Liv-5, Liv-8 and Liv-9 with strong e-stim between Liv-8 and

Liv-9. The patient should feel the Qi into his groin. Also treat the

Kidneys as you are doing.

 

I've had good luck with this on my patients.

 

Good luck!

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacu puncture. com

9832 N. Hayden Rd.

Suite 215

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

 

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine

[Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of

Caitlin

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:34 AM

 

Impotence

 

Hey all,

 

34 yr old male

CC: inability to maintain erection

 

started two years ago after an achilles injury (followed by surgery). he

(so far!) has no other complaints, no morning diarrhea, no low back or

knee pain, no digestive trouble or bitter taste in mouth. Works out

3-4x per week, so is physically fit. His doc mentioned that it may have

had something to do with his surgery, but I am not sure why.. can this

have anything to do with anesthesia?? ?

 

He has a scar from surgery running along the lateral side of the

achilles, starting at the calcaneal attachment and traveling for about 6

inches.

 

Aside from soreness in the achilles with weather changes or when he does

not exercise, he has no complaints.

 

I am only seeing him for the 2nd time this thursday (23/10/2008) so

hopefully i will get some more info out of him.

 

any thoughts????

 

Even with lack of other signs, I am focusing on kidneys (UB 23, 52, Du

4, KD 3, UB 60) and scar therapy on the achilles.

 

let me know what you think!

 

thanks

Caitlin

 

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Be sure to not just treat a single symptom. Look at the whole person, more

likely stagnation....either from stress or channel from the surgery. impotence

can also be related to anxiety, either his own performance or to please his

partner. A couple of questions I usual ask is does he have a morning erection or

is he able to get an erection on his own (nice way to ask about masterbation),

an easy way to ask about over use is how many times a week do you orgasm. Of

course other issues may be the cause as well. Look to all the pattern, treat

that rather than the obvious " impotence equals qi def "

Be well,

Bob

 

--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa wrote:

 

Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa

Re: Impotence

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tan has a theory of the connection between ankle and genitals. You could

consider a Tan treatment.

 

I would treat the scar, either with electric or moxa, and then also do the TCM

treatment. Did you say he has no problem if he does not exercise? I would ask

about the exercise regime and advise him to do less. This seems to be the odd

aspect, if he is 34, it's hard to believe that his kid qi is that deficient. Is

he looking wiped out, pale, etc. Maybe he masturbates a lot????

 

Tan says NOT to combine his treatments with TCM in the same session. Does anyone

have experience with it, does it really diminish the Tan effect?

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net

 

www.InnerhealthSale m.com

 

Phone: 503 364 3022

-

Caitlin

 

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:33 AM

Impotence

 

Hey all,

 

34 yr old male

CC: inability to maintain erection

 

started two years ago after an achilles injury (followed by surgery).

he (so far!) has no other complaints, no morning diarrhea, no low back

or knee pain, no digestive trouble or bitter taste in mouth. Works

out 3-4x per week, so is physically fit. His doc mentioned that it

may have had something to do with his surgery, but I am not sure why..

can this have anything to do with anesthesia?? ?

 

He has a scar from surgery running along the lateral side of the

achilles, starting at the calcaneal attachment and traveling for about

6 inches.

 

Aside from soreness in the achilles with weather changes or when he

does not exercise, he has no complaints.

 

I am only seeing him for the 2nd time this thursday (23/10/2008) so

hopefully i will get some more info out of him.

 

any thoughts????

 

Even with lack of other signs, I am focusing on kidneys (UB 23, 52, Du

4, KD 3, UB 60) and scar therapy on the achilles.

 

let me know what you think!

 

thanks

Caitlin

 

 

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first.. thanks everyone for the ideas, i will keep them in mind for

the next treatment :)

 

second.. Angela, I wrote that his achilles does not bother him only

when he DOES exercise, when he is without movement, it starts to hurt

(stagnation)

 

 

I didn't really think about doing tan method but it is a fantasic

idea, I'll also try the liver points and see what happens!

 

:)

 

thanks again everybody!

caitlin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Angela

Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote:

>

> Tan has a theory of the connection between ankle and genitals. You

could consider a Tan treatment.

>

> I would treat the scar, either with electric or moxa, and then also

do the TCM treatment. Did you say he has no problem if he does not

exercise? I would ask about the exercise regime and advise him to do

less. This seems to be the odd aspect, if he is 34, it's hard to

believe that his kid qi is that deficient. Is he looking wiped out,

pale, etc. Maybe he masturbates a lot????

>

> Tan says NOT to combine his treatments with TCM in the same

session. Does anyone have experience with it, does it really diminish

the Tan effect?

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa

>

> www.InnerhealthSalem.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> Caitlin

> Chinese Medicine

> Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:33 AM

> Impotence

>

>

> Hey all,

>

> 34 yr old male

> CC: inability to maintain erection

>

> started two years ago after an achilles injury (followed by

surgery).

> he (so far!) has no other complaints, no morning diarrhea, no low

back

> or knee pain, no digestive trouble or bitter taste in mouth. Works

> out 3-4x per week, so is physically fit. His doc mentioned that it

> may have had something to do with his surgery, but I am not sure

why..

> can this have anything to do with anesthesia???

>

> He has a scar from surgery running along the lateral side of the

> achilles, starting at the calcaneal attachment and traveling for

about

> 6 inches.

>

> Aside from soreness in the achilles with weather changes or when

he

> does not exercise, he has no complaints.

>

> I am only seeing him for the 2nd time this thursday (23/10/2008)

so

> hopefully i will get some more info out of him.

>

> any thoughts????

>

> Even with lack of other signs, I am focusing on kidneys (UB 23,

52, Du

> 4, KD 3, UB 60) and scar therapy on the achilles.

>

> let me know what you think!

>

> thanks

> Caitlin

>

>

>

>

>

>

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