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Is there an herbal formula for long-time systemic candida which

manifests as vaginal yeast infections - itchy; white, thick, odorless

discharge? Can a formula knock it out and if so, how long will she

have to take it? If she doesn't make dietary changes, what is

prognosis with an herbal formula?

Probiotic doesn't seem to help,nor the Western vaginal treatments.

(Age 60, she is Liv Qi stagnant with heat and Kidney deficient. She

also is an insomniac; disturbing dreams since she was a kid). How

does the candida fit it with the psychological aspect? Thanks much

for any and all advice!

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Chinese Medicine , " Nancy Corsaro "

<eastwestacup wrote:

>

Is there an herbal formula for long-time systemic candida which

manifests as vaginal yeast infections - itchy; white, thick, odorless

discharge?

 

Hi Nancy

I think you're describing the lives of many post-menopausal women there!

I've found the New Zealand-based company Kolorex has a very effective

intimate care cream, and a range of other products for managing

systemic candida.

http://www.kolorex.com/

Widely available here in Australia

Interestingly, there's also a Kiwi Fruit Vine personal lubricant called

Sylk which women have reported has [ amongst other benefits ] a

soothing effect - though this is obviously not a therpeutic claim

http://www.sylk.com.au/

Psychological aspect? Hmm ... if we can help people to get good

refreshing sleep, calm the Shen, then so many other irritations in life

seem less annoying, and easier to deal with.

Good luck

Margi

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Golden Flower's 'Intestinal Fungus Formula' is a nice patent formula.

 

+ Chien Chin Chih Tai Wan or Yu Dai Wan for the discharge specifically.

 

I give the patent suggestions just because they are easier for most people.

 

I also give raw herbs such as Bai Xian Pi, Huang Bai, Shi Chuang Zi, Bai Tou

Wang, Yu Xing Cao, etc., to make a douche/topical wash with.

 

Of course, she would be well served by make appropiate dietary changes if

possible as well.

 

 

 

Wally Doggett, LAc.

 

South Austin Community Acupuncture

 

2041 South Lamar - Austin, TX 78704

 

(512)707-8330

 

www.acupunctureworldheadquarters.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must

cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story.  I

guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions.  Again, appreciate it.

 

 

 

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You might consider trying caprylic acid. I have found it to be effective with

hard-to-treat

candida. Solaray makes a high quality caprylic acid supplement (theirs is

called Capryl, I

believe).

 

Adria Amenti, L.Ac.

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Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they

are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I

don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they

understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and

choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are

always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to

transform themselves:

Ye TianShi (1666-1745)

" Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on

the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. "

(YanHua Zhang 2007)

 

It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish

for a stop to a dampness problem.

 

As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people

aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their

extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary

habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the

consequences " . Nothing good down that road.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

" Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup

Chinese Medicine

Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59

Re: Formula for Candida

 

 

Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must

cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I

guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it.

 

 

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Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Wrote:

.... - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if

they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits /

lifestyle...

 

I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue

treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of

themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to

outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with.

 

 

 

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Chinese Medicine

Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM

Re: Re: Formula for Candida

 

 

Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are

unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't

ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they

understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and

choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are

always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to

transform themselves:

Ye TianShi (1666-1745)

" Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on

the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. "

(YanHua Zhang 2007)

 

It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish

for a stop to a dampness problem.

 

As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people

aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their

extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary

habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the

consequences " . Nothing good down that road.

 

Hugo

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

" Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net>

 

Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59

Re: Formula for Candida

 

Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must

cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I

guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it.

 

 

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Hi Wally,

 

Have got you a list of the herbs used in the patents:

 

Golden Flower's 'Intestinal Fungus Formula'

Chien Chin Chih Tai Wan

Yu Dai Wan

 

Thanks

 

Attilio

www.attiliodalberto.com

 

Chinese Medicine , " Wally Doggett "

<wallydoggett wrote:

>

> Golden Flower's 'Intestinal Fungus Formula' is a nice patent formula.

>

> + Chien Chin Chih Tai Wan or Yu Dai Wan for the discharge specifically.

>

> I give the patent suggestions just because they are easier for most

people.

>

> I also give raw herbs such as Bai Xian Pi, Huang Bai, Shi Chuang Zi,

Bai Tou

> Wang, Yu Xing Cao, etc., to make a douche/topical wash with.

>

> Of course, she would be well served by make appropiate dietary

changes if

> possible as well.

>

>

>

> Wally Doggett, LAc.

>

> South Austin Community Acupuncture

>

> 2041 South Lamar - Austin, TX 78704

>

> (512)707-8330

>

> www.acupunctureworldheadquarters.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Needle rn 4 touch the tip of needle to the peritonium (don't go

though)and manipulate at that level enough to get the skin to grab the

needle. That's si mu to start...

This formula is supposed to help benefit the intestinal flora(candida

happens when there is not enough good flora to balance):

 

bing lang 12 grams

rou gui 9 grams

chen pi 9

hou po 9

zi su ye 4.5

da huang 3

mu xiang 3

fu ling 3

gan cao 3 or sheng jiang 3 or both depending on pattern

(for more warming effect substitute 3 grams wu zhu yu for fu ling)

 

That's from the book " healing with Chinese herbs " by Richard Hyatt

 

I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower

jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa

si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao...

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Douglas Knapp

<knappneedleman wrote:

>

> Hugo Ramiro <subincor

> Wrote:

> ... - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if

> they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits /

> lifestyle...

>

> I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't

continue treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making

changes in spite of themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift,

and, if they are willing to outlay the time and money, there is enough

willingness to work with.

>

>

>

> Douglas Knapp

> Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

> Full Moon Acupuncture

> 1600 York Avenue

> New York, NY 10028

> 212-734-1459

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro <subincor

> Chinese Medicine

> Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM

> Re: Re: Formula for Candida

>

>

> Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people

if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour /

habits / lifestyle. I don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but

the patient must show that they understand, that they have awareness,

of how deeply their own behaviour and choices affect them. This way,

if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are always other avenues to

explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to transform

themselves:

> Ye TianShi (1666-1745)

> " Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all

depends on the patient's ability to transform emotions and change

personalities. "

> (YanHua Zhang 2007)

>

> It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and

meanwhile wish for a stop to a dampness problem.

>

> As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see

people aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or

amputation of their extremities for no reason other than an

unwillingness to change their dietary habits. " No no, Doc, find a way

to make it so I can eat sugar without the consequences " . Nothing good

down that road.

>

> Hugo

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

> http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

>

>

> " Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net>

>

> Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59

> Re: Formula for Candida

>

> Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She

knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or

not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your

suggestions. Again, appreciate it.

>

>

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Hi Douglas,

I would agree with your observations. I find that I have to make my ultimatum

just 2 or 3 times a year, and I hope that the person in question finds it

useful. I am very gentle and practical about how I frame it - it is purely about

cost-benefit and not wasting their time or mine.

 

How much negotiation do you go through with patients in your practice?

 

Take care,

Hugo

 

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

Douglas Knapp <knappneedleman

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, 18 October, 2008 13:37:07

Re: Re: Formula for Candida

 

 

I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue

treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of

themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to

outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with.

 

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro <subincor >

 

Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM

Re: Re: Formula for Candida

 

Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are

unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't

ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they

understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and

choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are

always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to

transform themselves:

Ye TianShi (1666-1745)

" Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on

the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. "

(YanHua Zhang 2007)

 

It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish

for a stop to a dampness problem.

 

As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people

aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their

extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary

habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the

consequences " . Nothing good down that road.

 

Hugo

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

" Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net>

 

Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59

Re: Formula for Candida

 

Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must

cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I

guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it.

 

 

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I don't negotiate per se. I tell my patients what I see, whether they want to

hear it or not, and leave the ball in their court. With treatment, their

responses to my suggestions shift as they, with all hope, see more clearly (and

i have had clear sight).

 

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:13:15 PM

Re: Re: Formula for Candida

 

 

Hi Douglas,

I would agree with your observations. I find that I have to make my ultimatum

just 2 or 3 times a year, and I hope that the person in question finds it

useful. I am very gentle and practical about how I frame it - it is purely about

cost-benefit and not wasting their time or mine.

 

How much negotiation do you go through with patients in your practice?

 

Take care,

Hugo

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

Douglas Knapp <knappneedleman@ >

 

Saturday, 18 October, 2008 13:37:07

Re: Re: Formula for Candida

 

I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue

treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of

themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to

outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with.

 

Douglas Knapp

Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac.

Full Moon Acupuncture

1600 York Avenue

New York, NY 10028

212-734-1459

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro <subincor >

 

Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM

Re: Re: Formula for Candida

 

Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are

unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't

ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they

understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and

choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are

always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to

transform themselves:

Ye TianShi (1666-1745)

" Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on

the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. "

(YanHua Zhang 2007)

 

It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish

for a stop to a dampness problem.

 

As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people

aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their

extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary

habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the

consequences " . Nothing good down that road.

 

Hugo

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

" Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net>

 

Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59

Re: Formula for Candida

 

Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must

cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I

guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it.

 

 

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Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom "

<jasonwcom wrote:

> I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower

> jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa

> si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao...

>

>

Jason,

I got stuck while reading your advice in that I do not recognize the

term " si shu " . I know you (most likely) are referring to the back shu

point of the spleen (pi shu) when you write " moxa sp shu " , and I

know " rn 4 " ... Please help me with location of " si shu " or perhaps

provide another name for this point.

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark Zaranski

East Wind Acupuncture, Inc.

www.ewacupuncture.com

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Someone has mentioned Kolorex already, and I just want to add that several

of my patients with candida and vaginal itch have used it with success. For

more information please see http://www.kolorex.com/ . It is affordable, too.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

Tom.

 

 

 

Tom Verhaeghe

 

Stationsplein 59

 

8770 Ingelmunster

 

www.chinese-geneeskunde.be

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Mark, I think Jason referred to the small intestine everytime he wrote " si " .

(s.i. mu point and s.i. shu point.)

 

Take care,

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

zedbowls <zaranski

Chinese Medicine

Monday, 20 October, 2008 10:01:51

Re: Formula for Candida

 

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " jasonwcom "

<jasonwcom@. ..> wrote:

> I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower

> jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa

> si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao...

>

>

Jason,

I got stuck while reading your advice in that I do not recognize the

term " si shu " . I know you (most likely) are referring to the back shu

point of the spleen (pi shu) when you write " moxa sp shu " , and I

know " rn 4 " ... Please help me with location of " si shu " or perhaps

provide another name for this point.

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark Zaranski

East Wind Acupuncture, Inc.

www.ewacupuncture. com

 

 

 

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Er, additions often have an emotional component. Refusal to change may have

less to do with obstinance than with the underlying emotional issues that give

rise to the behavior in the first place. That's why EFT (emotional freedom

techniques) is really dandy. It's meridian based, so can't be all bad.

 

y.c.

http://vytalpathways.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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S.mall I.ntestine shu

 

Chinese Medicine , " zedbowls "

<zaranski wrote:

>

> Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom "

> <jasonwcom@> wrote:

> > I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower

> > jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa

> > si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao...

> >

> >

> Jason,

> I got stuck while reading your advice in that I do not recognize the

> term " si shu " . I know you (most likely) are referring to the back shu

> point of the spleen (pi shu) when you write " moxa sp shu " , and I

> know " rn 4 " ... Please help me with location of " si shu " or perhaps

> provide another name for this point.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Mark Zaranski

> East Wind Acupuncture, Inc.

> www.ewacupuncture.com

>

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