Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Is there an herbal formula for long-time systemic candida which manifests as vaginal yeast infections - itchy; white, thick, odorless discharge? Can a formula knock it out and if so, how long will she have to take it? If she doesn't make dietary changes, what is prognosis with an herbal formula? Probiotic doesn't seem to help,nor the Western vaginal treatments. (Age 60, she is Liv Qi stagnant with heat and Kidney deficient. She also is an insomniac; disturbing dreams since she was a kid). How does the candida fit it with the psychological aspect? Thanks much for any and all advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 look up Wan Dai Tang to see if that will work for you. It addresses Dai Xia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Chinese Medicine , " Nancy Corsaro " <eastwestacup wrote: > Is there an herbal formula for long-time systemic candida which manifests as vaginal yeast infections - itchy; white, thick, odorless discharge? Hi Nancy I think you're describing the lives of many post-menopausal women there! I've found the New Zealand-based company Kolorex has a very effective intimate care cream, and a range of other products for managing systemic candida. http://www.kolorex.com/ Widely available here in Australia Interestingly, there's also a Kiwi Fruit Vine personal lubricant called Sylk which women have reported has [ amongst other benefits ] a soothing effect - though this is obviously not a therpeutic claim http://www.sylk.com.au/ Psychological aspect? Hmm ... if we can help people to get good refreshing sleep, calm the Shen, then so many other irritations in life seem less annoying, and easier to deal with. Good luck Margi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Golden Flower's 'Intestinal Fungus Formula' is a nice patent formula. + Chien Chin Chih Tai Wan or Yu Dai Wan for the discharge specifically. I give the patent suggestions just because they are easier for most people. I also give raw herbs such as Bai Xian Pi, Huang Bai, Shi Chuang Zi, Bai Tou Wang, Yu Xing Cao, etc., to make a douche/topical wash with. Of course, she would be well served by make appropiate dietary changes if possible as well. Wally Doggett, LAc. South Austin Community Acupuncture 2041 South Lamar - Austin, TX 78704 (512)707-8330 www.acupunctureworldheadquarters.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 You might consider trying caprylic acid. I have found it to be effective with hard-to-treat candida. Solaray makes a high quality caprylic acid supplement (theirs is called Capryl, I believe). Adria Amenti, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to transform themselves: Ye TianShi (1666-1745) " Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. " (YanHua Zhang 2007) It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish for a stop to a dampness problem. As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the consequences " . Nothing good down that road. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org " Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup Chinese Medicine Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59 Re: Formula for Candida Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hugo Ramiro <subincor Wrote: .... - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle... I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with. Douglas Knapp Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac. Full Moon Acupuncture 1600 York Avenue New York, NY 10028 212-734-1459 ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro <subincor Chinese Medicine Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM Re: Re: Formula for Candida Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to transform themselves: Ye TianShi (1666-1745) " Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. " (YanHua Zhang 2007) It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish for a stop to a dampness problem. As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the consequences " . Nothing good down that road. Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org " Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net> Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59 Re: Formula for Candida Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Hi Wally, Have got you a list of the herbs used in the patents: Golden Flower's 'Intestinal Fungus Formula' Chien Chin Chih Tai Wan Yu Dai Wan Thanks Attilio www.attiliodalberto.com Chinese Medicine , " Wally Doggett " <wallydoggett wrote: > > Golden Flower's 'Intestinal Fungus Formula' is a nice patent formula. > > + Chien Chin Chih Tai Wan or Yu Dai Wan for the discharge specifically. > > I give the patent suggestions just because they are easier for most people. > > I also give raw herbs such as Bai Xian Pi, Huang Bai, Shi Chuang Zi, Bai Tou > Wang, Yu Xing Cao, etc., to make a douche/topical wash with. > > Of course, she would be well served by make appropiate dietary changes if > possible as well. > > > > Wally Doggett, LAc. > > South Austin Community Acupuncture > > 2041 South Lamar - Austin, TX 78704 > > (512)707-8330 > > www.acupunctureworldheadquarters.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Needle rn 4 touch the tip of needle to the peritonium (don't go though)and manipulate at that level enough to get the skin to grab the needle. That's si mu to start... This formula is supposed to help benefit the intestinal flora(candida happens when there is not enough good flora to balance): bing lang 12 grams rou gui 9 grams chen pi 9 hou po 9 zi su ye 4.5 da huang 3 mu xiang 3 fu ling 3 gan cao 3 or sheng jiang 3 or both depending on pattern (for more warming effect substitute 3 grams wu zhu yu for fu ling) That's from the book " healing with Chinese herbs " by Richard Hyatt I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao... Chinese Medicine , Douglas Knapp <knappneedleman wrote: > > Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Wrote: > ... - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if > they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / > lifestyle... > > I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with. > > > > Douglas Knapp > Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac. > Full Moon Acupuncture > 1600 York Avenue > New York, NY 10028 > 212-734-1459 > > > > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Chinese Medicine > Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM > Re: Re: Formula for Candida > > > Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to transform themselves: > Ye TianShi (1666-1745) > " Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. " > (YanHua Zhang 2007) > > It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish for a stop to a dampness problem. > > As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the consequences " . Nothing good down that road. > > Hugo > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com > http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org > > > " Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net> > > Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59 > Re: Formula for Candida > > Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hi Douglas, I would agree with your observations. I find that I have to make my ultimatum just 2 or 3 times a year, and I hope that the person in question finds it useful. I am very gentle and practical about how I frame it - it is purely about cost-benefit and not wasting their time or mine. How much negotiation do you go through with patients in your practice? Take care, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org Douglas Knapp <knappneedleman Chinese Medicine Saturday, 18 October, 2008 13:37:07 Re: Re: Formula for Candida I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with. Douglas Knapp Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac. Full Moon Acupuncture 1600 York Avenue New York, NY 10028 212-734-1459 ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM Re: Re: Formula for Candida Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to transform themselves: Ye TianShi (1666-1745) " Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. " (YanHua Zhang 2007) It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish for a stop to a dampness problem. As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the consequences " . Nothing good down that road. Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org " Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net> Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59 Re: Formula for Candida Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I don't negotiate per se. I tell my patients what I see, whether they want to hear it or not, and leave the ball in their court. With treatment, their responses to my suggestions shift as they, with all hope, see more clearly (and i have had clear sight). Douglas Knapp Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac. Full Moon Acupuncture 1600 York Avenue New York, NY 10028 212-734-1459 ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro <subincor Chinese Medicine Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:13:15 PM Re: Re: Formula for Candida Hi Douglas, I would agree with your observations. I find that I have to make my ultimatum just 2 or 3 times a year, and I hope that the person in question finds it useful. I am very gentle and practical about how I frame it - it is purely about cost-benefit and not wasting their time or mine. How much negotiation do you go through with patients in your practice? Take care, Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org Douglas Knapp <knappneedleman@ > Saturday, 18 October, 2008 13:37:07 Re: Re: Formula for Candida I find that the patients who say they won't change either don't continue treatment, or, if they do stick around, they start making changes in spite of themselves. Some just take longer to make a shift, and, if they are willing to outlay the time and money, there is enough willingness to work with. Douglas Knapp Doctoral Fellow, L.Ac. Full Moon Acupuncture 1600 York Avenue New York, NY 10028 212-734-1459 ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Friday, October 17, 2008 8:17:17 PM Re: Re: Formula for Candida Hi Nancy - as I just wrote on another list, I refuse to treat people if they are unwilling to make modifications to their behaviour / habits / lifestyle. I don't ask for much, mainly just awareness, but the patient must show that they understand, that they have awareness, of how deeply their own behaviour and choices affect them. This way, if we fail, it's not such a blow; there are always other avenues to explore. Most importantly, however, it empowers them to transform themselves: Ye TianShi (1666-1745) " Healing Yu Zheng (any illness with a source in obstructed qi) all depends on the patient's ability to transform emotions and change personalities. " (YanHua Zhang 2007) It is, in a sense, ridiculous to maintain a sugar addiction and meanwhile wish for a stop to a dampness problem. As I was discussing with an MD yesterday, it is frustrating to see people aggravating their diabetic condition, risking harm and / or amputation of their extremities for no reason other than an unwillingness to change their dietary habits. " No no, Doc, find a way to make it so I can eat sugar without the consequences " . Nothing good down that road. Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org " Nancy Corsaro, LAc " <eastwestacup@ sbcglobal. net> Friday, 17 October, 2008 17:36:59 Re: Formula for Candida Thank you all for the candida/yeast infection suggestions. She knows she must cut out sugar, flour, dairy.....but whether she will or not is another story. I guess we'll try probiotics plus some of your suggestions. Again, appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom " <jasonwcom wrote: > I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower > jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa > si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao... > > Jason, I got stuck while reading your advice in that I do not recognize the term " si shu " . I know you (most likely) are referring to the back shu point of the spleen (pi shu) when you write " moxa sp shu " , and I know " rn 4 " ... Please help me with location of " si shu " or perhaps provide another name for this point. Thanks in advance, Mark Zaranski East Wind Acupuncture, Inc. www.ewacupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Someone has mentioned Kolorex already, and I just want to add that several of my patients with candida and vaginal itch have used it with success. For more information please see http://www.kolorex.com/ . It is affordable, too. Best regards, Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hi Mark, I think Jason referred to the small intestine everytime he wrote " si " . (s.i. mu point and s.i. shu point.) Take care, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org zedbowls <zaranski Chinese Medicine Monday, 20 October, 2008 10:01:51 Re: Formula for Candida Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " jasonwcom " <jasonwcom@. ..> wrote: > I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower > jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa > si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao... > > Jason, I got stuck while reading your advice in that I do not recognize the term " si shu " . I know you (most likely) are referring to the back shu point of the spleen (pi shu) when you write " moxa sp shu " , and I know " rn 4 " ... Please help me with location of " si shu " or perhaps provide another name for this point. Thanks in advance, Mark Zaranski East Wind Acupuncture, Inc. www.ewacupuncture. com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Er, additions often have an emotional component. Refusal to change may have less to do with obstinance than with the underlying emotional issues that give rise to the behavior in the first place. That's why EFT (emotional freedom techniques) is really dandy. It's meridian based, so can't be all bad. y.c. http://vytalpathways.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 S.mall I.ntestine shu Chinese Medicine , " zedbowls " <zaranski wrote: > > Chinese Medicine , " jasonwcom " > <jasonwcom@> wrote: > > I think in trad. terms we're talking about damp/phlegm in the lower > > jiao, boosting metabolism can help so you could try moxa sp shu, moxa > > si shu, rn 4 is also the mu point of the lower jiao... > > > > > Jason, > I got stuck while reading your advice in that I do not recognize the > term " si shu " . I know you (most likely) are referring to the back shu > point of the spleen (pi shu) when you write " moxa sp shu " , and I > know " rn 4 " ... Please help me with location of " si shu " or perhaps > provide another name for this point. > > Thanks in advance, > Mark Zaranski > East Wind Acupuncture, Inc. > www.ewacupuncture.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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