epidural causing numbness months later

[Guest guest]

Hello

I have not seen this patient yet but he called with a brief hx about

getting an epidural for a surgery which he'd wanted to be awake

and curious to watch.

A month later, he sat in tight jeans on a cold bench too long and ended

up with the epidural side effect of neuropathy, -a gripping " chasity

belt " feeling from hip to toes.

Anyone know about this, where to read more? Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I think you should first look for some other causes rather than epidural

anesthesia but  patient needs a medical work up to be sure that an abscess or

any thing else is not developed there .it is of primary responsibility of the

first doctor who has operated or anesthetized  the patient .I would suggest not

to touch the patient till work up diagnosis is complete or you may pay for

others mistakes.of course if it is theirs or it may be something new.

 

 

regards.

Dr.Fadaie

 

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perhi <perhi

epidural causing numbness months later

Chinese Medicine

Friday, September 19, 2008, 3:34 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello

I have not seen this patient yet but he called with a brief hx about

getting an epidural for a surgery which he'd wanted to be awake

and curious to watch.

A month later, he sat in tight jeans on a cold bench too long and ended

up with the epidural side effect of neuropathy, -a gripping " chasity

belt " feeling from hip to toes.

Anyone know about this, where to read more? Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Peri:

 

This might be half - body numbness (ban shen ma mu), which occurs on the left or

right side of the body, or with numbness up to the knees. Wiseman and Ye have a

discussion of this:

 

" Left body numbness is due to vacuity of the blood in qi. "

 

" Right body numbness is due to vacuity of the qi in blood. "

 

I suffered from the same some 20 years ago after starting a daily swimming

regime. This felt both painful and numb for an evening after I got out of the

pool.

 

" Numbness and limpness up to the knees is caused by stomach damp phlegm and dead

blood obstruction. "

 

They give herbal formulae and acupoints for each type.

 

Hope that helps,

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/19/08, perhi <perhi wrote:

perhi <perhi

epidural causing numbness months later

Chinese Medicine

Friday, September 19, 2008, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello

 

I have not seen this patient yet but he called with a brief hx about

 

getting an epidural for a surgery which he'd wanted to be awake

 

and curious to watch.

 

A month later, he sat in tight jeans on a cold bench too long and ended

 

up with the epidural side effect of neuropathy, -a gripping " chasity

 

belt " feeling from hip to toes.

 

Anyone know about this, where to read more? Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " perhi "

<perhi wrote:

>

Hello

I have not seen this patient yet but he called with a brief hx about

getting an epidural for a surgery which he'd wanted to be awake

and curious to watch.

A month later, he sat in tight jeans on a cold bench too long and ended

up with the epidural side effect of neuropathy, -a gripping " chasity

belt " feeling from hip to toes.

Anyone know about this, where to read more? Thank you.

 

 

Hi Peri

I agree with Dr Fadaie that this man should be medically reviewed in

the first instance.

 

Yet your question does give us plenty to think about!

 

The link below is an excellent site which describes epidural

procedures - local anatomy and physiology, needle and catheter sizes

and insertion, the drugs used, body systems affected, side-effects,

complications etc

 

http://www.nda.ox.ac.uk/wfsa/html/u13/u1311_01.htm

 

From an acupuncture / TCM perspective the procedure is neither subtle,

nor gentle. It's invasive, and affects major channels, organs and body

parts. As an RN I saw it done many times - considerable force is used

by the Dr to get that huge needle into the correct space.

 

Local anaesthetic is first injected into the skin at the selected site -

Du and U.Bladder channels infiltrated with the drug... short and long

term effects?

 

Du channel and Du point at level of puncture also physically

affected /changed by size and duration of needle and catheter placement.

Zang-fu or qi/blood/fluid dynamic governed by the penetrated Du point

must also be deranged by the needle and drugs.

 

Nature and properties of the drugs used? I'm guessing cold, and

obviously sedating.

 

Fixed position and inability to move during the surgery - qi, blood and

fluid stagnation.

 

Injury to channels, collaterals etc at site of surgery - qi, blood,

fluid stasis - short and long term sequelae?

 

Tight jeans & fixed, sitting position - stagnation

 

Cold, outdoor exposure - EPF invasion of Cold / Wind / Damp into site

of epidural and channels where surgery has left scarring.

 

Pre-existing health and well-being?

 

He didn't really stand a chance did he?

 

And what of all the women who have C-sections and the additional insult

to the Ren & other anterior channels?

 

Epidural & C-section acupuncture 'rehab' could - unfortunately - become

a lucrative sub-specialty.

 

Good luck,

Kind regards

Margi Macdonald

[Guest guest]

I do not think you can conceder symptoms arising so long after the

procedure as arising from the epidural

 

 

 

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